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New Zealand are the champions!

The first ever trophy for them in an ICC global tournament. Test cricket is regarded as the toughest format and New Zealand should be proud of the fact that they managed to overcome the challenge from the Big 3 teams. And the three South African imports played a large role in this victory (BJ Watling, Devon Conway and Neil Wagner), so they should thank the South African quota system as well.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 23, 2021, 12:37:08 PM

Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

What if there were two days lost in rain, should they extend the match to 7 days ?

I disagree. Almost three days of play was washed out (including entire days play on 1st and 4th days) and despite that New Zealand managed to win the test match, and thereby the first ever World Test Championship.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 23, 2021, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 23, 2021, 09:39:01 AM

I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match Shocked

How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here Huh

The ICC wanted to make sure that they get a result from this test match (since it is the final of WTC). So they added one extra day as reserve, in case there is rain interruption. The reserve day kicks in only of there is a rain interruption. And they were proven right, as the first day was washed out. Now in all probability there will be a winner in this test match, and it looks increasingly likely that New Zealand will be crowned as the the first WTC champions. They need 74 more to win, with 8 wickets and 27 overs remaining.

Good decision by the ICC, as everyone would want a single winner for this final and would not want to share the title.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 23, 2021, 12:37:08 PM

Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

Any rules which are decided before the match is not unfair

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 01:11:17 AM

Just to piss off who think Test cricket is all about Seam and Swing Grin

Test cricket is about winning each sessions or it will end up like India loosing the final.

Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 01:11:17 AM

In SENA countries teams opt for 5 seam bowlers with no front line spinner or may be 1 spinner. Should India adopt opposite template when playing at home. I would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Sundar-Kuldeep-Axar +1 Seam bowling together non stop at Motera-Delhi-Chennai-Kolkatta to every world class batsmen. Wink

India can create spin wickets and face opponents, that was done in the past where India only had quality spinners and for the first time we are having good quality fast bowlers, so it is better to have a balance, creating spin track alone i do not think our batsman will be able to perform in turning wickets.

New Zealand won the first ever WTC. They played really good cricket and they deserved the win.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 23, 2021, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 23, 2021, 09:39:01 AM

I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match Shocked

How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here Huh

The ICC wanted to make sure that they get a result from this test match (since it is the final of WTC). So they added one extra day as reserve, in case there is rain interruption. The reserve day kicks in only of there is a rain interruption. And they were proven right, as the first day was washed out. Now in all probability there will be a winner in this test match, and it looks increasingly likely that New Zealand will be crowned as the the first WTC champions. They need 74 more to win, with 8 wickets and 27 overs remaining.

Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

What if there were two days lost in rain, should they extend the match to 7 days ?

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What a turn around, New Zealand needs 65 runs to win the first ever world Test championship and they have plenty of time to reach that score and they only lost two wickets and unless there is a delay in the match and New Zealand deserved to win the match even with weather interruptions as they played like champions throughout the match and they were able to check the Indian batsman to restrict for a low score.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 23, 2021, 09:39:01 AM

I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match Shocked

How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here Huh

The ICC wanted to make sure that they get a result from this test match (since it is the final of WTC). So they added one extra day as reserve, in case there is rain interruption. The reserve day kicks in only of there is a rain interruption. And they were proven right, as the first day was washed out. Now in all probability there will be a winner in this test match, and it looks increasingly likely that New Zealand will be crowned as the the first WTC champions. They need 74 more to win, with 8 wickets and 27 overs remaining.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 20, 2021, 07:01:18 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 20, 2021, 06:20:13 AM

Anyone please share the Youtube channel or online link where this WTC final is broadcast live Embarrassed

I hope by now you already know why i am asking for the link Sad

It is not available in YouTube, unless you want to watch a pirated link. Here in India, the matches are live on Star Sports 1 HD and online streaming is available on Hotstar. I guess in your country also, you can watch the matches live on Hotstar. I don't know about the subscription plans in your country, but here in India the subscription came free along with the 1-year 4G plan of Reliance Jio.

I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match Shocked

How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here Huh

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Despite the relatively small target, New Zealand has started the chase rather cautiously. Indians need to learn from this. Indian batsmen were in such a hurry and they thought that they were playing T20 cricket, and not test format. The way some of the Indian batsmen got out was just atrocious. It was still possible to get to a draw, if they had batted defensively. Trying to score at a rate of 10 runs per over in test cricket is not a good idea, especially if they are facing the best pace attack in the world which consists of Kyle Jamieson, Neil Wagner, Tim Southee and Trent Boult.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 23, 2021, 08:45:15 AM

Looks like NZ are most likely going to win the final and they completely deserve it for an all-round performance unless they suffer a crazy batting collapse or if rain interferes later on.

New Zealand have bowled magnificently today and Indian lower order collapsing rapidly. New Zealand need 139 in a minimum of 53 overs to get the title. Southampton air is great as the sun shines bright today. India fans relies on their fast bowlers(Shami) as he got four-wicket in the first innings. Now all of depends on India's bowlers if they create some pressure and get quick wickets.

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52 overs remain and New Zealand need 139 runs to win. India need 10 wickets. Weather prediction rules out rain interruption, and that means that unless there is some magical performance from one of the Indian bowlers, New Zealand will be able to win their first ever global ICC tournament. There was a lot of criticism over the exclusion of Siraj. I checked some of the tweets and they mostly came from politically motivated individuals. IMO, Ishant (who got the selection ahead of Siraj) performed really well. And I have no reason to suspect that an inexperienced guy such as Siraj could have done any better.

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Looks like NZ are most likely going to win the final and they completely deserve it for an all-round performance unless they suffer a crazy batting collapse or if rain interferes later on.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2021, 07:34:52 AM

Runs don't matter at this point. How long the lower order can survive matters for India. They need to play sensibly. Kyle Jamieson is almost unplayable. Yet Rishabh pant was just swinging his bat wildly against him (and scored very few runs). They need to survive the spells from Southee/Jamieson, and wait until the two out of form bowlers are introduced (Boult and Wagner). If they survive this session with the loss of 2-3 wickets, then in all probability the match will end up as a draw. I can already sense frustration from the New Zealand bowlers.

I disagree. Every single run matters at this point. The two out of form bowlers that you mentioned dismantled the lower order and the Indian batsmen are the ones who were frustrated.

Edit: Awesome stuff NZ. They performed brilliantly on the reserve day to prevent a draw. Kohli's bad luck with top tournaments continues.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 23, 2021, 07:23:49 AM

Am disappointed with the Indian top order once again. On the other hand, the NZ top order is performing well in recent times. Odds are stacked in NZ's favor at this point.

The only thing that can save India at this point is rain in my opinion though the chances of rainfall are less than 5%. The Indian lower order could add 50-100 runs, but that probably wouldn't be enough to help them win this final unless they bowl brilliantly.

Runs don't matter at this point. How long the lower order can survive matters for India. They need to play sensibly. Kyle Jamieson is almost unplayable. Yet Rishabh pant was just swinging his bat wildly against him (and scored very few runs). They need to survive the spells from Southee/Jamieson, and wait until the two out of form bowlers are introduced (Boult and Wagner). If they survive this session with the loss of 2-3 wickets, then in all probability the match will end up as a draw. I can already sense frustration from the New Zealand bowlers.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2021, 07:11:33 AM

Jadeja needs to get some support from the lower order batsmen to stretch the Indian innings as much as possible. Either they need to bat for another 25-30 overs, or they need to take the lead past 200.

Am disappointed with the Indian top order once again. On the other hand, the NZ top order is performing well in recent times. Odds are stacked in NZ's favor at this point.

The only thing that can save India at this point is rain in my opinion though the chances of rainfall are less than 5%. The Indian lower order could add 50-100 runs, but that probably wouldn't be enough to help them win this final unless they bowl brilliantly.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 06:19:29 AM

So ladies... 75 overs left and lead is 94 runs with 5 wickets down. Anyone expecting lower order collapse too Grin

You guys are enjoying this thriller?

This session will determine whether WTC final will be shared or New Zealand will win the match, if there was no rain interruption New Zealand would have won the match with the way Indian batsman are struggling and if New Zealand could pick a wicket in the first 5 overs in this session then the match will be wide open and then it is a matter of time they finish the rest of the tail end.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 06:19:29 AM

So ladies... 75 overs left and lead is 94 runs with 5 wickets down. Anyone expecting lower order collapse too Grin

You guys are enjoying this thriller?

If India could survive for another 25 overs, then that would be enough to save the game. I don't have much trust on Rishabh Pant. He want to play the T20 mode, irrespective of the match situation. He was lucky earlier, when he was dropped by Southee at the slip. Next time, he may not be that lucky. Ashwin is also a similar type of batsman, who want to score a boundary of every ball. Jadeja needs to get some support from the lower order batsmen to stretch the Indian innings as much as possible. Either they need to bat for another 25-30 overs, or they need to take the lead past 200.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2021, 01:59:10 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 01:11:17 AM

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Just to piss off who think Test cricket is all about Seam and Swing Grin

In SENA countries teams opt for 5 seam bowlers with no front line spinner or may be 1 spinner. Should India adopt opposite template when playing at home. I would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Sundar-Kuldeep-Axar +1 Seam bowling together non stop at Motera-Delhi-Chennai-Kolkatta to every world class batsmen. Wink

During the 90s, there were a few test matches in which India went with only one seamer. But on such occasions, the new ball was shared by a seam-bowling part time bowler (Ganguly or Prabhakar). The issue with the current Indian team is that there are no such players who can bowl part time seam. The only one who comes to my mind is Vijay Shankar. But he has very remote chance of being included in the test team. There are no other batsmen out there, who bowl part time medium pace.

Vijay Shankar can't even make into my fantasy team lol any way if i have to choose 1 Indian pacer for Indian pitches then i would go for Umesh Yadav or Shami.

My team would look like this. 6 batsmen + 4 allrounder (spin) + 1 seam

2 inform opener batsman (Rahul +Rohit+Mayank+Prithvi+Gill)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Sundar
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Axar (Kuldeep out)
Umesh/Shami

NZ vs IND

So ladies... 75 overs left and lead is 94 runs with 5 wickets down. Anyone expecting lower order collapse too Grin

You guys are enjoying this thriller?

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 23, 2021, 05:12:35 AM

I placed a parlay bet for a draw but India lost two quick wicket in the morning session and India is leading for 45 runs and if New Zealand is able to pick wickets like this then we might see a result and it all depends upon how Ajinkya Rahane and Rishabh Pant perform as they are the only recognized batsman left and if one more wicket is lost the tail end will be exposed.

Both Jamieson and Southee are nearing the end of their opening spells (10 overs, 18 runs and two wickets). If Rishabh and Rahane could survive for another 2 overs, then it may be slightly easy to face the combination of Boult/Wagner. It is time for Rishabh to show some maturity here. He need to play defensively and not in his natural game. Rahane has more experience and he will do that. The priority for India now is to save this game, and for that they need to survive for another 50 overs against the New Zealand pace battery.

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 23, 2021, 03:02:50 AM

Definitely heading for a draw this one. 1/20 chance for India to win so if anyone wants to take a bet now's a good time before it restarts in about 90 mins:) I've given up all my betting for this one, lost too much already, odds kept looking better but they kept looking worse!

Not a single 6 for India, just terrible performance all around, couldn't even take advantage of weather.

I placed a parlay bet for a draw but India lost two quick wicket in the morning session and India is leading for 45 runs and if New Zealand is able to pick wickets like this then we might see a result and it all depends upon how Ajinkya Rahane and Rishabh Pant perform as they are the only recognized batsman left and if one more wicket is lost the tail end will be exposed.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2021, 01:56:41 AM

Two of the most experienced batsmen are at crease for New Zealand now (Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson), and they have an experience of close to 200 matches between them. But still, the loss of Devon Conway was crucial. He fell during the last over of third day's play. If he was there, then New Zealand could have been in a much better position. Now they have two relatively new batsmen at crease and they may take some time to get adjusted with the outfield and weather conditions. And this may give some advantage to the Indian pacers.

Definitely heading for a draw this one. 1/20 chance for India to win so if anyone wants to take a bet now's a good time before it restarts in about 90 mins:) I've given up all my betting for this one, lost too much already, odds kept looking better but they kept looking worse!

Not a single 6 for India, just terrible performance all around, couldn't even take advantage of weather.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 23, 2021, 01:11:17 AM

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Just to piss off who think Test cricket is all about Seam and Swing Grin

In SENA countries teams opt for 5 seam bowlers with no front line spinner or may be 1 spinner. Should India adopt opposite template when playing at home. I would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Sundar-Kuldeep-Axar +1 Seam bowling together non stop at Motera-Delhi-Chennai-Kolkatta to every world class batsmen. Wink

During the 90s, there were a few test matches in which India went with only one seamer. But on such occasions, the new ball was shared by a seam-bowling part time bowler (Ganguly or Prabhakar). The issue with the current Indian team is that there are no such players who can bowl part time seam. The only one who comes to my mind is Vijay Shankar. But he has very remote chance of being included in the test team. There are no other batsmen out there, who bowl part time medium pace.

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