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Quote from: Iranus on June 23, 2021, 12:33:33 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 22, 2021, 09:35:45 PM

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If there is no batting disaster in India, then the match is going to be a draw. 90 overs left in the game. If India loses their wickets in the first two sessions, I think England will be able to win. I would not be surprised if India batted badly. Batsmen are not able to perform as expected on this pitch.

98 overs to be precise.

Bruh Ind and NZ are playing finals, not England. According to stats -run rate and what we have witnessed so far Seam-Swing bowling has been excellent and threatening in this particular game. To be more precise run-rate is approx 2.25 for this match so batters from the both team finding difficult to score so its not like that only Indian batters are struggling or something, Kiwis were struggling too or you could say batsmen from the both teams showed enough quality against the bowling.

Batting collapse from the Indians very much possible but they should be fine if they bat for another 55-60 overs with some outburst from the Pant and Jadeja down the order hopefully.

Just to piss off who think Test cricket is all about Seam and Swing Grin

In SENA countries teams opt for 5 seam bowlers with no front line spinner or may be 1 spinner. Should India adopt opposite template when playing at home. I would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Sundar-Kuldeep-Axar +1 Seam bowling together non stop at Motera-Delhi-Chennai-Kolkatta to every world class batsmen. Wink

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 22, 2021, 09:35:45 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on June 22, 2021, 03:02:12 PM

It was surprising to see that India coming back into the game by restricting New Zealand and full credit goes to Mohammed Shami and Ishant Sharma for troubling the New Zealand batsman and even though there is not much time left in the match, the match was entertaining and India lead by 32 runs and if New Zealand can restrict India as soon as possible then we might even see a result.

I don't think that there is any chance of getting a result here. Only 90 overs of play remain and 18 wickets need to fall. And looking at the scoring rate so far in this match, I would say that neither of the two teams is aggressively pushing for a win. The conditions are suitable for seam and swing bowling, and therefore difficult for batting. At this point, India has a lead of just 32 runs. In order to get to a lead of at least 200 runs, they need to bat for another 60-70 overs, which will give them around 20-30 overs to bowl out New Zealand.

If there is no batting disaster in India, then the match is going to be a draw. 90 overs left in the game. If India loses their wickets in the first two sessions, I think England will be able to win. I would not be surprised if India batted badly. Batsmen are not able to perform as expected on this pitch.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 22, 2021, 03:02:12 PM

It was surprising to see that India coming back into the game by restricting New Zealand and full credit goes to Mohammed Shami and Ishant Sharma for troubling the New Zealand batsman and even though there is not much time left in the match, the match was entertaining and India lead by 32 runs and if New Zealand can restrict India as soon as possible then we might even see a result.

I don't think that there is any chance of getting a result here. Only 90 overs of play remain and 18 wickets need to fall. And looking at the scoring rate so far in this match, I would say that neither of the two teams is aggressively pushing for a win. The conditions are suitable for seam and swing bowling, and therefore difficult for batting. At this point, India has a lead of just 32 runs. In order to get to a lead of at least 200 runs, they need to bat for another 60-70 overs, which will give them around 20-30 overs to bowl out New Zealand.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 22, 2021, 03:02:12 PM

the match was entertaining and India lead by 32 runs and if New Zealand can restrict India as soon as possible then we might even see a result.

If there is no other weather interruptions and India tries to defend and end up loosing wickets is always possible and anything below 200 runs can be chased by New Zealand consider they get 50 overs to bat, the morning session will determine how the match will go, it would be interesting if India could score runs quickly and then get a lead of 250 runs and declare the innings and then try and get New Zealand out with 40 overs left to make this final interesting Grin

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It was surprising to see that India coming back into the game by restricting New Zealand and full credit goes to Mohammed Shami and Ishant Sharma for troubling the New Zealand batsman and even though there is not much time left in the match, the match was entertaining and India lead by 32 runs and if New Zealand can restrict India as soon as possible then we might even see a result.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 22, 2021, 12:18:51 PM

Quote from: onecall123 on June 22, 2021, 10:59:26 AM

May be a draw is possible but India can't win this match in any way. May be a chance available for New Zealand too.

How are you so sure that India won't win this one? NZ posted a small lead and India is just trailing by a couple of runs currently. Draw is the most likely outcome though India and NZ can still win since there is a reserve day available.

Day five has ended now, the game will continue tomorrow with the reserve day. India have 8 wickets remaining and New Zealand have a full innings. Actually Indian team is in much pressure now, they have to focus on two things now. Making a good total score without losing wickets quickly. As a result it's tough for India to get a victory in this game. Anything can happen though. But most probably this game will end as a draw. Pitch condition is good for fast bowler and New Zealand is ahed there with their bowling squad.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 22, 2021, 12:22:16 PM

@Vishnu Oh well India is considered one of the worst side to pick tailender wickets quickly. It happened countless time.

These games i remember

-They failed against English tailenders in 4 games in 2018 tour.
-Australian also love to wags their tails against Indians, happened twice in 2018 Bordar-Gavaskar trophy, same thingy happened couple of time in recent tour.
-Same record against the kiwis. In the last 3 tests, their last 4 wickets manage to get 2 80+ score and today 100+ runs against same Indian bowling line up.

On the other hand Indian tail hardly show any spine when playing in SENA countries. At home they have excellent record tho, may be one of the best in the last 4-5 years.

New Zealand has one of the strongest tails in test cricket right now. Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson are lower middle order batsmen, rather than genuine tail enders. Even Neil Wagner and Trent Boult can add valuable runs. Mitchell Santner is another player, who can be considered as an all rounder (although he is not in the playing XI for this test match). Anyway, the Indian tail is also quite strong. But as you mentioned, their record is better in sub-continent conditions, when compared to SENA pitches.

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@Vishnu Oh well India is considered one of the worst side to pick tailender wickets quickly. It happened countless time.

These games i remember

-They failed against English tailenders in 4 games in 2018 tour.
-Australian also love to wags their tails against Indians, happened twice in 2018 Bordar-Gavaskar trophy, same thingy happened couple of time in recent tour.
-Same record against the kiwis. In the last 3 tests, their last 4 wickets manage to get 2 80+ score and today 100+ runs against same Indian bowling line up.

On the other hand Indian tail hardly show any spine when playing in SENA countries. At home they have excellent record tho, may be one of the best in the last 4-5 years.

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Quote from: onecall123 on June 22, 2021, 10:59:26 AM

May be a draw is possible but India can't win this match in any way. May be a chance available for New Zealand too.

How are you so sure that India won't win this one? NZ posted a small lead and India is just trailing by a couple of runs currently. Draw is the most likely outcome though India and NZ can still win since there is a reserve day available.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 22, 2021, 11:24:10 AM

Although Kane Williamson is one of the best test batsmen as of now, his captainship skills are pathetic. As usual, he persisted with bowlers such as Southee and de Grandhomme, who are ineffective against India.

Southee is in fine form these days and De Grandhomme is a useful all-rounder in the team which is why I disagree with you here.

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Quote from: onecall123 on June 22, 2021, 10:59:26 AM

NZ 249 and all out. New Zealand lead by 32 runs, however this 32 runs might be play vital role for Indian scoreboard. Excellent comeback by India bowlers. Ishant take the most prominent wickets Williamson thus he missed his fifty. May be a draw is possible but India can't win this match in any way. May be a chance available for New Zealand too.

It was good performance from the Indian bowlers, but still they allowed New Zealand to make 249, after restricting them to 162/6. Kyle Jamieson and Tim Southee managed to add valuable runs. And that may prove to be crucial in the outcome of this match. Fortunately for India, New Zealand is being captained by a very incompetent guy. Although Kane Williamson is one of the best test batsmen as of now, his captainship skills are pathetic. As usual, he persisted with bowlers such as Southee and de Grandhomme, who are ineffective against India.

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Quote from: onecall123 on June 22, 2021, 10:59:26 AM

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Will be interesting to see whether India will be able to take the lead. Right now New Zealand trail by 52 runs, with 4 wickets remaining. Kane Williamson is still there, but the tail has started with Kyle Jamieson. Colin de Grandhomme was looking good, but just now he got out to Mohammed Shami. Ishant/Shami need to clean up the tail before there is a need to bring in Bumrah or Ashwin (or even Jadeja). I hope those who argued in favor of replacing Ishant with Siraj are silent now. Ishant has proved that he is the best, once again.

NZ 249 and all out. New Zealand lead by 32 runs, however this 32 runs might be play vital role for Indian scoreboard. Excellent comeback by India bowlers. Ishant take the most prominent wickets Williamson thus he missed his fifty. May be a draw is possible but India can't win this match in any way. May be a chance available for New Zealand too.

I was impressed by the bowling of Ishant Sharma and Shami. They have done a great job. Ashwin bowled well. He took 2 wickets in just 15 overs. I was amazed at Bumrah's performance. He bowled 26 overs but could not take a single wicket. It is a real disappointment not to get a wicket from an experienced talented bowler like Bumrah.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 22, 2021, 08:58:53 AM

Will be interesting to see whether India will be able to take the lead. Right now New Zealand trail by 52 runs, with 4 wickets remaining. Kane Williamson is still there, but the tail has started with Kyle Jamieson. Colin de Grandhomme was looking good, but just now he got out to Mohammed Shami. Ishant/Shami need to clean up the tail before there is a need to bring in Bumrah or Ashwin (or even Jadeja). I hope those who argued in favor of replacing Ishant with Siraj are silent now. Ishant has proved that he is the best, once again.

NZ 249 and all out. New Zealand lead by 32 runs, however this 32 runs might be play vital role for Indian scoreboard. Excellent comeback by India bowlers. Ishant take the most prominent wickets Williamson thus he missed his fifty. May be a draw is possible but India can't win this match in any way. May be a chance available for New Zealand too.

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Will be interesting to see whether India will be able to take the lead. Right now New Zealand trail by 52 runs, with 4 wickets remaining. Kane Williamson is still there, but the tail has started with Kyle Jamieson. Colin de Grandhomme was looking good, but just now he got out to Mohammed Shami. Ishant/Shami need to clean up the tail before there is a need to bring in Bumrah or Ashwin (or even Jadeja). I hope those who argued in favor of replacing Ishant with Siraj are silent now. Ishant has proved that he is the best, once again.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 22, 2021, 07:36:33 AM

What a great come-back by Indian bowlers. It's Amazing. Before the start of today's game, England lost only 2 wickets for 101 runs. At the moment they have collected 135 runs, and they have lost 5 wickets. Ishant Sharma and Shami are doing great ball today. India's bowlers are doing great, they needed that performance to draw the match. My prediction is, this match will be a draw.

You should replace England, with New Zealand dude. England host the match ICC World Test Championship Final 2021.

New Zealand trail by 82 runs, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami are doing great bowling duo right now. Outstanding bowling spell from Shami for Indian team, he might pick Kane Williamson wickets to get back into the game. It's happiness to watch his bowling, particularly those fiery spell from Shami. Let's just enjoy the contest.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 22, 2021, 07:36:33 AM

What a great come-back by Indian bowlers. It's Amazing. Before the start of today's game, England lost only 2 wickets for 101 runs. At the moment they have collected 135 runs, and they have lost 5 wickets. Ishant Sharma and Shami are doing great ball today. India's bowlers are doing great, they needed that performance to draw the match. My prediction is, this match will be a draw.

Yes.. the Indian pacers made use of the damp and overcast conditions. And this is the advantage in having experienced seamers like Shami and Ishant in the squad. These two have 151 test matches between them. On the other hand, the least experienced pacer (Jasprit Bumrah) was quite wayward and conceded a lot of runs. He really struggled to adjust to the conditions. And India's refusal to play warm-up matches didn't helped. Now the question is whether Ishant and Shami are enough to take the remaining five wickets quickly. If Bumrah and Ashwin needs to be brought in, it may give some breathing space to the Kiwis.

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^^ I'm still hoping for result lol. We only need 2 batting collapse and voila! Batting not looking easy here, fingers crossed for Indian batsmen if they get the chance to bat in the next session Grin

NZ scored only 34 runs in 23 overs so all credit to Shami-Ishant duo, hope Bumrah joins the party soon. Indians should also think about over rates tho, they are bowling slow today.

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Both teams will probably avoid unnecessary risks due to which a draw seems inevitable at this stage. 3 or 5 match series could have circumvented this problem.

Only if Players schedule is free for 1 good month.

@vishnu Rain and bad light interruptions are ruining the moment but so far we have seen quality of cricket from the both sides, they are fighting hard.

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What a great come-back by Indian bowlers. It's Amazing. Before the start of today's game, England lost only 2 wickets for 101 runs. At the moment they have collected 135 runs, and they have lost 5 wickets. Ishant Sharma and Shami are doing great ball today. India's bowlers are doing great, they needed that performance to draw the match. My prediction is, this match will be a draw.

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Play resumed a few minutes back... but today's weather is not looking great and in all probability the match will end up as another boring draw. Both the New Zealand batsmen (Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson) are playing defensively right now. There is no chance that India will bat again today. That said, the Indian seamers are looking in good shape (especially Ishant). But India is in backfoot right now and they need to get at least a couple of wickets in the first session to stay alive in this match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 21, 2021, 08:43:43 PM

40% Kiwis win
35% Match Draw
25% India win

My prediction:

80% Draw
10% Kiwis win
10% India win

Weather forecast looks better today, but rain could still interrupt play later on based on this article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-new-zealand-wtc-final-southampton-weather-today-respite-from-rain-some-play-expected-on-day-5-101624336073430-amp.html

Both teams will probably avoid unnecessary risks due to which a draw seems inevitable at this stage. 3 or 5 match series could have circumvented this problem.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 21, 2021, 08:43:43 PM

40% Kiwis win
35% Match Draw
25% India win

With further rain interruption predicted, I see no chance for a win by India. Only two days of play remain and the second innings is not yet completed. Also, the New Zealand batsmen have restrained themselves from playing unwanted shots, and they have scored only 101 runs from 49 overs yet. At this rate, the second innings may not get completed in the 5th day. There is still a slight chance for a win by the Kiwis. For that, New Zealand need to put another 300 runs on board and then need to bowl out India without the requirement to bat again.

Weather update is promising today, we might get 80 ish overs easily. Yeah they were scoring at very low rate but it could change if they don't lose quick wickets.

Let's say Kiwis are playing for the result so its very much possible if they opt for counter attack strategy and score quickly followed by early declaration, even with 160 ish runs lead. In this scenario they can't lose game anyway. So let the Indians bat again for 70-80 overs who knows if another collapse is waiting for the Indian team (I don't want this but i'm craving for the result lol). They adopted similar strategy against England in their first test match (although it was 3rd inning of the game), they could have lost that game but they did it anyway. Sadly it ended up in draw because England batsmen were not interested.

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