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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 24, 2020, 06:54:24 PM

Quote from: teosanru on December 24, 2020, 02:09:02 PM

Covid is a big excuse. When Bihar elections can take place in Covid what's a big deal with the BCCI elections? The same old story earlier it was Srinivasan now it's Shah/Ganguly it's just the dictators that change the hunger of power always remains supreme. Surprising to see even Ganguly haven't felt that he should step back to give chance to others as a fair process.

It is not an excuse as a new strain of virus is identified the government should take action if not we will again loose another year and there are reports coming out that someone flying from UK tested positive and rumor is that he has the new strain and if that is the case the government has to string in action now and isolate the patient before getting out of hand and BCCI elections are not a priority while general elections are the base of democracy.

Do not expect a lot from government of India, if European nation are struggling then you cannot expect much from India in regards to the new virus strain.

Every election in India is important because thats what constitutes democracy. If Bihar election can be conducted so can the BCCI elections too.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 24, 2020, 02:09:02 PM

Covid is a big excuse. When Bihar elections can take place in Covid what's a big deal with the BCCI elections? The same old story earlier it was Srinivasan now it's Shah/Ganguly it's just the dictators that change the hunger of power always remains supreme. Surprising to see even Ganguly haven't felt that he should step back to give chance to others as a fair process.

It is not an excuse as a new strain of virus is identified the government should take action if not we will again loose another year and there are reports coming out that someone flying from UK tested positive and rumor is that he has the new strain and if that is the case the government has to string in action now and isolate the patient before getting out of hand and BCCI elections are not a priority while general elections are the base of democracy.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 24, 2020, 06:37:50 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 24, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

Maybe it is a good step. Let them include Saini and Siraj. Once they get hammered all around the park by the Australian batsmen, these two will end up like Kedar Jadhav and more deserving bowlers will get the chance. The Kohli/Shastri duo is acting like a mafia now, by denying opportunity to deserving players and picking their sidekicks for the playing XI.

You think Kohli/Shastri Duo is mafia? I feel Shah/Ganguly duo is a bigger mafia currently in cricket which are actually backing this Shahstri/Kohli Mafia. There is a dire need of change in team management and I think someone like Rahul Dravid can be a better coach for team India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 24, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

Maybe it is a good step. Let them include Saini and Siraj. Once they get hammered all around the park by the Australian batsmen, these two will end up like Kedar Jadhav and more deserving bowlers will get the chance. The Kohli/Shastri duo is acting like a mafia now, by denying opportunity to deserving players and picking their sidekicks for the playing XI.

Atm Shashtri enjoying kohli's backing so no one can do much about it.

Anyways, Apart from 1 Pacer. News coming up that Jadeja +Pant + Gill are going to replace Kohli +Saha+Shaw for 2nd test. Jadeja will play as an all rounder.

Quote from: teosanru on December 24, 2020, 08:45:04 AM

Coming to BCCI politics didn't the supreme court kept a tenure of 1 year on BCCI office bearers? How come Ganguly and Jay shah are continuing even after a long time? I don't know but I have started to dislike Ganguly after his recent affiliation with Jay Shah and some controversial decisions I just hope he doesn't loses his fan following due to this petty politics.

Yeah, initial tenure was for 9 months but then Covid happened and process got delayed. Supreme Court hearings are ongoing along with other important issue, next hearing is schedule next month so let's wait and watch.

Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2020, 11:54:25 AM

As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

That's some routine bullshit from the selectors. Sadly no one asking the questions, especially sport journalists.

Covid is a big excuse. When Bihar elections can take place in Covid what's a big deal with the BCCI elections? The same old story earlier it was Srinivasan now it's Shah/Ganguly it's just the dictators that change the hunger of power always remains supreme. Surprising to see even Ganguly haven't felt that he should step back to give chance to others as a fair process.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 24, 2020, 12:40:26 PM

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As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

In the shorter format these kind of selection procedure will work and hence they are performing well but we are not seeing the same kind of performance in Test matches. The selection procedure for Test matches should be first class performance and the Indian middle order of Rahane and Pujara is holding the spot for a long time but the rest of the batsman keeps changing every series and until they sort that out they will always struggle while touring.

they need two more supports for Raane and Pujara because if you have four specialist batsmen for test team then you can enjoy otherwise you have to be really troubled in every tour of England Australia and New Zealand just try to have some good and quality batsmen in domestic cricket for just test spot is not hard job for country like India.

You are right. For a good performance against any big team, it is necessary to have 4 world class batsmen in the team. For a team like India, adding 4 talented batsmen to the squad is not a difficult task. They have a lot of young talent. The Indian management should develop these young talents into world class players.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 24, 2020, 06:37:50 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 24, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

Maybe it is a good step. Let them include Saini and Siraj. Once they get hammered all around the park by the Australian batsmen, these two will end up like Kedar Jadhav and more deserving bowlers will get the chance. The Kohli/Shastri duo is acting like a mafia now, by denying opportunity to deserving players and picking their sidekicks for the playing XI.

Atm Shashtri enjoying kohli's backing so no one can do much about it.

Anyways, Apart from 1 Pacer. News coming up that Jadeja +Pant + Gill are going to replace Kohli +Saha+Shaw for 2nd test. Jadeja will play as an all rounder.

Quote from: teosanru on December 24, 2020, 08:45:04 AM

Coming to BCCI politics didn't the supreme court kept a tenure of 1 year on BCCI office bearers? How come Ganguly and Jay shah are continuing even after a long time? I don't know but I have started to dislike Ganguly after his recent affiliation with Jay Shah and some controversial decisions I just hope he doesn't loses his fan following due to this petty politics.

Yeah, initial tenure was for 9 months but then Covid happened and process got delayed. Supreme Court hearings are ongoing along with other important issue, next hearing is schedule next month so let's wait and watch.

Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2020, 11:54:25 AM

As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

That's some routine bullshit from the selectors. Sadly no one asking the questions, especially sport journalists.

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 24, 2020, 12:32:30 PM

Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2020, 11:54:25 AM

As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

In the shorter format these kind of selection procedure will work and hence they are performing well but we are not seeing the same kind of performance in Test matches. The selection procedure for Test matches should be first class performance and the Indian middle order of Rahane and Pujara is holding the spot for a long time but the rest of the batsman keeps changing every series and until they sort that out they will always struggle while touring.

they need two more supports for Raane and Pujara because if you have four specialist batsmen for test team then you can enjoy otherwise you have to be really troubled in every tour of England Australia and New Zealand just try to have some good and quality batsmen in domestic cricket for just test spot is not hard job for country like India.

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Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2020, 11:54:25 AM

As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

In the shorter format these kind of selection procedure will work and hence they are performing well but we are not seeing the same kind of performance in Test matches. The selection procedure for Test matches should be first class performance and the Indian middle order of Rahane and Pujara is holding the spot for a long time but the rest of the batsman keeps changing every series and until they sort that out they will always struggle while touring.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2020, 11:39:38 AM

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Saini and Siraj are also good bowlers since they are having better Ranji records compared to Nattu but already Natrajan proved his effectiveness in that pitch conditions then why still he is not into their consideration is the big question. It's not okay to accept RCB quota into the International career. Cheesy

First of all, India should have a proper India A team, which will tour countries such as Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or England at least two times a year. BCCI can include potential national team pickups such as Siraj, Saini and Natarajan in this team. Let them play against Australia A or England A, and prove their potential. It will be more justifiable than picking these players directly from the IPL and pushing them to the test squad.

As per the statements made by the selectors in the past they simply don't consider IPL performances to consider while picking team India squad but they actually consider IPL performances as the only criteria to get selected. So they are basically contrary to their action so we can't expect them to do such things because BCCI is interested in money-making than winning international trophies in the recent years.

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Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2020, 08:58:10 AM

Saini and Siraj are also good bowlers since they are having better Ranji records compared to Nattu but already Natrajan proved his effectiveness in that pitch conditions then why still he is not into their consideration is the big question. It's not okay to accept RCB quota into the International career. Cheesy

First of all, India should have a proper India A team, which will tour countries such as Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or England at least two times a year. BCCI can include potential national team pickups such as Siraj, Saini and Natarajan in this team. Let them play against Australia A or England A, and prove their potential. It will be more justifiable than picking these players directly from the IPL and pushing them to the test squad.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 24, 2020, 06:37:50 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 24, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

Maybe it is a good step. Let them include Saini and Siraj. Once they get hammered all around the park by the Australian batsmen, these two will end up like Kedar Jadhav and more deserving bowlers will get the chance. The Kohli/Shastri duo is acting like a mafia now, by denying opportunity to deserving players and picking their sidekicks for the playing XI.

Saini and Siraj are also good bowlers since they are having better Ranji records compared to Nattu but already Natrajan proved his effectiveness in that pitch conditions then why still he is not into their consideration is the big question. It's not okay to accept RCB quota into the International career. Cheesy

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Quote from: mersal on December 23, 2020, 11:40:11 AM

Quote from: teosanru on December 23, 2020, 10:46:24 AM

But talking about 3rd pacer it's a difficult choice to make. Problem is that Test bowling is different from other formats. You just can't go on to bowl Yorkers or bouncers and get away. The most important thing is to move the ball Saini is better than Natrajan in that whereas Shami is much better than both in them. So i feel Shami should remain intact in the team.

No matter how good a bowler is in the short format his patience level will be tested for sure in the long format because they need to face a different situations even they need to bowl for the entire day and go wicketless which will definitely affect the confidence level. But we shouln't go to that much level for now just look at their capabilities and hope for the best is the smart option so in my opinion, choosing Natarajan is the better choice because he is having the ability to destroy the opponent batting lineup which already proved by his performance in the short format in the same conditions as well.

You are right but Shami is too good as a bowler to sit out of the playing XI i mean yes he didn't have that good first match but I still feel India would think thrice before keeping Him out of the playing XI. But yes If Shami is injured this is a golden opportunity for the other bowlers but I still feel that Siraj/ Saini are better options as they have better swing in their bowling.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 23, 2020, 10:46:24 AM

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I don't know why is no one talking about this. But the complete batting Line-up of Indian team has no lefty I think this does gives a great advantage to Aussies in tests. Right hand left hand combination especially in opening does have a great advantage.

But talking about 3rd pacer it's a difficult choice to make. Problem is that Test bowling is different from other formats. You just can't go on to bowl Yorkers or bouncers and get away. The most important thing is to move the ball Saini is better than Natrajan in that whereas Shami is much better than both in them. So i feel Shami should remain intact in the team.

Good point...

Pant and Natarajan could fill that gaps tho. In domestic both Natarajan and Saini has more or less similar performance. Shami is injured bhai and already ruled out.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 23, 2020, 11:09:47 AM

BTW Natarajan doesn't enjoy support from "powerful" circles. I just hope that he will not end up like Karun Nair.

His future is secure in IPL. National team is another drama, let's hope for the best.

Yeah sorry I just came to know about it today that Shami is injured. I think Pant can be a option then in place of Saha.
Coming to BCCI politics didn't the supreme court kept a tenure of 1 year on BCCI office bearers? How come Ganguly and Jay shah are continuing even after a long time? I don't know but I have started to dislike Ganguly after his recent affiliation with Jay Shah and some controversial decisions I just hope he doesn't loses his fan following due to this petty politics.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 24, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

Maybe it is a good step. Let them include Saini and Siraj. Once they get hammered all around the park by the Australian batsmen, these two will end up like Kedar Jadhav and more deserving bowlers will get the chance. The Kohli/Shastri duo is acting like a mafia now, by denying opportunity to deserving players and picking their sidekicks for the playing XI.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 24, 2020, 03:04:25 AM

Bowlers were not the reason why India lost the first test it was the batsmen who were responsible for such a pathetic defeat. I donot think changing bowlers will do the magic. Poor fielding and in batting should be worked on first.

When you have defeat then you have to change many things not only one right now they are facing some serious dilemma as Kohli now back Rohit unable to join for second test Shami is also not available and if I am right then Ishant is also not available so too many problems around with Team India need something magic to fix.

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BCCI just posted this in twitter so its safe to say that there would be no #ucking Natarajan in the playing XI. Siraj/Saini going to replace injured Shami.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1342045902203047937

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Bowlers were not the reason why India lost the first test it was the batsmen who were responsible for such a pathetic defeat. I donot think changing bowlers will do the magic. Poor fielding and in batting should be worked on first.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 23, 2020, 10:17:52 PM

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Even i prefer to see Natarajan since Shami is injured and India does not have a good left hand seam bowler and he is a good choice.

Yes.. a left-arm seamer adds more variety to the attack. Shami, Saini, Siraj.etc are all right-arm pacers and they bowl at 85-90mph, with very little seam movement. Natarajan bowls at a slightly slower pace, and is able to get a lot of seam movement when compared to the others. But then Saini and Siraj are preferred, because they play for the same IPL franchise as Virat Kohli. IMO, Siraj's inclusion to the test squad can be solely attributed to this.

Since Virat Kohli is also going to miss the remaining matches still do you think that his preferred candidates will be given more priority? Saini is okay for the replacement but not sure about Siraj because he is not consistent with his bowling which can turn the total bowling unit into chaos even with small miss in the accuracy.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 23, 2020, 06:46:24 PM

Even i prefer to see Natarajan since Shami is injured and India does not have a good left hand seam bowler and he is a good choice.

Yes.. a left-arm seamer adds more variety to the attack. Shami, Saini, Siraj.etc are all right-arm pacers and they bowl at 85-90mph, with very little seam movement. Natarajan bowls at a slightly slower pace, and is able to get a lot of seam movement when compared to the others. But then Saini and Siraj are preferred, because they play for the same IPL franchise as Virat Kohli. IMO, Siraj's inclusion to the test squad can be solely attributed to this.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 23, 2020, 10:46:24 AM

~snip~
I don't know why is no one talking about this. But the complete batting Line-up of Indian team has no lefty I think this does gives a great advantage to Aussies in tests. Right hand left hand combination especially in opening does have a great advantage.

But talking about 3rd pacer it's a difficult choice to make. Problem is that Test bowling is different from other formats. You just can't go on to bowl Yorkers or bouncers and get away. The most important thing is to move the ball Saini is better than Natrajan in that whereas Shami is much better than both in them. So i feel Shami should remain intact in the team.

Good point...

Pant and Natarajan could fill that gaps tho. In domestic both Natarajan and Saini has more or less similar performance. Shami is injured bhai and already ruled out.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 23, 2020, 11:09:47 AM

BTW Natarajan doesn't enjoy support from "powerful" circles. I just hope that he will not end up like Karun Nair.

His future is secure in IPL. National team is another drama, let's hope for the best.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 23, 2020, 01:17:10 AM

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He's in Sydney. 3rd test is scheduled there so he directly went there and going over mandatory 14 days quarantine. He could join the Indian team around 30th dec.

That is good, he will be joining the team and his inclusion depends upon how the Indian players perform in the boxing day match.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 23, 2020, 06:32:38 AM

Pant is being preferred by Kohli and the team management, and therefore I don't think that Saha is going to get another chance. The management is going to argue that Pant is a better batsmen when compared to Saha.

India is already dropping catches in the field and they need a specialist keeper who could hold on to their catches. Pant can play his shots but yet to convince me as a good keeper.

Quote from: JSRAW on December 23, 2020, 06:57:42 AM

I prefer Natarajan too, he came as a underdog and making name for himself but i think they are going to rob this poor guy. Would be very happy if he debut in the next game, doesn't matter if he fails or something. Just want to see if he can handle himself in the pressure game.

Even i prefer to see Natarajan since Shami is injured and India does not have a good left hand seam bowler and he is a good choice.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 23, 2020, 10:46:24 AM

But talking about 3rd pacer it's a difficult choice to make. Problem is that Test bowling is different from other formats. You just can't go on to bowl Yorkers or bouncers and get away. The most important thing is to move the ball Saini is better than Natrajan in that whereas Shami is much better than both in them. So i feel Shami should remain intact in the team.

No matter how good a bowler is in the short format his patience level will be tested for sure in the long format because they need to face a different situations even they need to bowl for the entire day and go wicketless which will definitely affect the confidence level. But we shouln't go to that much level for now just look at their capabilities and hope for the best is the smart option so in my opinion, choosing Natarajan is the better choice because he is having the ability to destroy the opponent batting lineup which already proved by his performance in the short format in the same conditions as well.

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