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Quote from: JSRAW on December 22, 2020, 05:42:53 AM

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy.

I don't know how practical is this. Most of the state cricket associations are under the control of politicians. For example, the TNCA is under the control of N Srinivasan family, while the Mumbai Cricket Association is controlled by the Thackrey family. Arm twisting tactics will never work, because these politicians have more power when compared to BCCI officials such as Saurav Ganguly.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 21, 2020, 09:49:58 AM

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy.

For better quality and improvement they can bring many things like this because now its very important for youngsters they must need to play on better tracks instead of dumb pitches which are not helping in any cause even bringing more frustration and humilation for them few more things also aplicable but these all need some good time for better results from domestic system.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 21, 2020, 09:49:58 AM

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy.

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To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance.

I would agree. If you check the number of matches played by the India U-19 side and the India A team, then you can notice a sharp decline in the recent years. It seems to me that the BCCI has outsourced its talent development program to the IPL franchises. First and foremost, they should try to conduct the Ranji Trophy without any further delay (although it is a shortened version). And till now they haven't even released the schedule for this year's tournament.

Now most of things happening under BCCI for short format they are completely ignoring test and first class which is big cause for their test level even they have all things for settle this all very quickly but greediness and Covid-19 situation is badly hurting their cause but if they want to start again its possible because they richest board in world for doing any thing on short notice.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 21, 2020, 03:56:47 PM

To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance.

I would agree. If you check the number of matches played by the India U-19 side and the India A team, then you can notice a sharp decline in the recent years. It seems to me that the BCCI has outsourced its talent development program to the IPL franchises. First and foremost, they should try to conduct the Ranji Trophy without any further delay (although it is a shortened version). And till now they haven't even released the schedule for this year's tournament.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 21, 2020, 09:49:58 AM

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance. I remember there were times when players used to work upon their weaknesses but now apart from Kohli or Rahul I don't think anyone is interested in such things. Even Rohit Sharma hasn't been able to solve his long living problem of facing initial seam movement in Test Matches. It's been ages since he has had this problem. Moreover what was fascinating in the previous match was that most of the wicket fell on a similar kind of ball, an inswinger pitched on full length outside the offstump so that the batsmen has to play the ball and everyone of our player either edged it or couldn't play it. All the wicket were like action replays. I think at least India should work on this problem otherwise Australians are going to exploit this problem in the whole tournament. Smith's batting stance is appropriate for facing such kind of balls maybe Australians have adapted themselves to it.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 21, 2020, 09:49:58 AM

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 21, 2020, 07:53:16 AM

Quote from: Yudhisthir on December 21, 2020, 07:27:56 AM

We have seen many times player on their duty even when they absolutely needed to be with the family. And here's Kohli who after a humiliating defeat against Australia have decided to care for his wife who is due to deliver next year. And now he's taking individual session with the team to increase their morale. That's the funny thing to do when you are leaving for paternity leave for months.

I agree with Haunebu. Kohli is not some machine and he has a family to care for. His family needs him and that is why he is returning home. And this was conveyed to the BCCI officials many months back. It is not his fault that the remaining Indian players behave like bums when they have to play in surfaces which are more conductive to pace bowling. If India can't win matches without Kohli, then why the other players are being given central contracts?

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:09:39 AM

The next match will be more difficult for India. There are very few players who have previous experience playing on the Australian pitch. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were experienced, but they are not in the squad. Mohammod Shami is a talented and experienced bowler. He is also out of the team due to injury. The Indian team will depend on Ashwin and Bumrah.

Does Rohit Sharma have experience playing Test matches in Australian pitches, i doubt he played Test in Australian soil and with the way the India team batted in the second innings Rohit Sharma had nothing to offer and he would have perished the same way Cheesy

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Is Rohit Sharma joining the team for the boxing day match ?.

Although Rohit Sharma does not have enough experience to play on the Australian pitch, but he is an experienced batsman. He knows how to play at any moment. Having a player like him in the squad makes the morale of other players in the team stronger.

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Quote from: Yudhisthir on December 21, 2020, 07:27:56 AM

We have seen many times player on their duty even when they absolutely needed to be with the family. And here's Kohli who after a humiliating defeat against Australia have decided to care for his wife who is due to deliver next year. And now he's taking individual session with the team to increase their morale. That's the funny thing to do when you are leaving for paternity leave for months.

I agree with Haunebu. Kohli is not some machine and he has a family to care for. His family needs him and that is why he is returning home. And this was conveyed to the BCCI officials many months back. It is not his fault that the remaining Indian players behave like bums when they have to play in surfaces which are more conductive to pace bowling. If India can't win matches without Kohli, then why the other players are being given central contracts?

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Quote from: Yudhisthir on December 21, 2020, 07:27:56 AM

We have seen many times player on their duty even when they absolutely needed to be with the family. And here's Kohli who after a humiliating defeat against Australia have decided to care for his wife who is due to deliver next year. And now he's taking individual session with the team to increase their morale. That's the funny thing to do when you are leaving for paternity leave for months.

What the heck are you implying? He has all the rights in the world to take care of his wife and his upcoming child which is why he is being a responsible father and husband.

Bad-mouthing his wife and his responsibility as a captain in this scenario reflects your own pathetic personality and the actual funny thing is that you don't realise this.

Even if India suffers 10 humiliating defeats in a row, I am pretty sure he would take the paternity leave which is the right thing to do.

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We have seen many times player on their duty even when they absolutely needed to be with the family. And here's Kohli who after a humiliating defeat against Australia have decided to care for his wife who is due to deliver next year. And now he's taking individual session with the team to increase their morale. That's the funny thing to do when you are leaving for paternity leave for months.

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It is almost confirmed that Prithvi Shaw will be dropped for the second test. But that doesn't mean that the other opener is in a comfortable position (Mayank Agarwal). He scored just 26 runs from his two innings at Adelaide and his performance against Australia A at Sydney was also disappointing. Luckily for him, not many noticed his bad form because Prithvi Shaw was under the spotlight.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:09:39 AM

The next match will be more difficult for India. There are very few players who have previous experience playing on the Australian pitch. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were experienced, but they are not in the squad. Mohammod Shami is a talented and experienced bowler. He is also out of the team due to injury. The Indian team will depend on Ashwin and Bumrah.

Does Rohit Sharma have experience playing Test matches in Australian pitches, i doubt he played Test in Australian soil and with the way the India team batted in the second innings Rohit Sharma had nothing to offer and he would have perished the same way Cheesy

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Is Rohit Sharma joining the team for the boxing day match ?.

If I am right then Rohit Sharma is not in Test squad for this tour because he was available for only ODI and twenty/20 formats now they have very few names replacing for Kohli and Shami most chances Rahul and Shubman Gill are in favourites lists but still we have few days so wait for next decision from team management about this all.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:09:39 AM

The next match will be more difficult for India. There are very few players who have previous experience playing on the Australian pitch. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were experienced, but they are not in the squad. Mohammod Shami is a talented and experienced bowler. He is also out of the team due to injury. The Indian team will depend on Ashwin and Bumrah.

Does Rohit Sharma have experience playing Test matches in Australian pitches, i doubt he played Test in Australian soil and with the way the India team batted in the second innings Rohit Sharma had nothing to offer and he would have perished the same way Cheesy

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Is Rohit Sharma joining the team for the boxing day match ?.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 21, 2020, 04:09:39 AM

The next match will be more difficult for India. There are very few players who have previous experience playing on the Australian pitch. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were experienced, but they are not in the squad. Mohammod Shami is a talented and experienced bowler. He is also out of the team due to injury. The Indian team will depend on Ashwin and Bumrah.

Ashwin seems to be in good form, but I don't expect the Australians to prepare a pitch that may gave any sort of advantage to the spinners. Indians are going to include either Mohammed Siraj or Navdeep Saini. Both of them looked to be out of form, during the warmup matches. Bumrah may get support from Umesh Yadav. But the third pacer is going to be a weak spot for India.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 20, 2020, 09:55:22 PM

Now it is confirmed that Mohammad Shami won't be available for the remainder of the test series, as he had fractured his forearm during the first test. He is the most experienced Indian pacer and his absence will be a big blow for India. So for the second test, the replacement will be either Mohammed Siraj or Navdeep Saini. Both of them are inexperienced, and haven't represented India in tests yet. I thought that a better choice would be Natarajan.

The next match will be more difficult for India. There are very few players who have previous experience playing on the Australian pitch. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were experienced, but they are not in the squad. Mohammod Shami is a talented and experienced bowler. He is also out of the team due to injury. The Indian team will depend on Ashwin and Bumrah.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 20, 2020, 11:03:00 AM

Well..... this is the same Australian team, which got destroyed by India three years ago. Back then also, they had the home advantage. So it's not like a david vs goliath battle. Even now, I would say that it is a battle between two teams of equal strength. Australia may be having a slight home advantage, but that is it. I expect India to come back strongly in the second match.

Very true though the home advantage isn't slight in my opinion. It's a big advantage and they are making full use of it as we have seen in the first test.

Cummins is back in form while Hazlewood and Starc continue to prove why they are some of the best bowlers in the world of Cricket. On the other hand, Ashwin seems to be the only consistent wicket-taker for India. They are badly missing Jadeja.

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Now it is confirmed that Mohammad Shami won't be available for the remainder of the test series, as he had fractured his forearm during the first test. He is the most experienced Indian pacer and his absence will be a big blow for India. So for the second test, the replacement will be either Mohammed Siraj or Navdeep Saini. Both of them are inexperienced, and haven't represented India in tests yet. I thought that a better choice would be Natarajan.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 20, 2020, 08:55:47 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 20, 2020, 08:11:09 AM

This news came up just now:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/india-in-australia/india-vs-australia-shubman-gill-kl-rahul-rishabh-pant-get-ready-for-boxing-day-test-wriddhiman-saha-prithvi-shaw-set-to-be-benched/articleshow/79823981.cms

Wriddhiman Saha and Prithvi Shaw are likely to be dropped for the second match, and they will be replaced in the playing XI by Shubman Gill and Rishabh Pant. I am OK with Gill being included in the playing XI, but the decision to drop Saha after just one match is perplexing. Rishabh Pant is a promising young player, but he hasn't proved himself in the longer format. Also there are rumors that Mohammed Siraj will be replacing injured pacer Mohammad Shami.

We will see some big changes in the Indian team in the next match. I hope the new players can prove themselves well. At least they will try their best to play well. All the young players in India are talented enough. But the main thing is that their opponent is the giant Australia. Australia is already a Test specialist team. At home they become more irresistible against any Asian team. I look forward to seeing how India performs in the next Test with the new team.

lot of young talents available in India but longer format is much more testing than shorter format, even in the first innings India was the better team but they played without an fightback attitude once wicket started to fell in the second innings which maybe stopped if someone experienced and also got talent to hold the wickets by allowing more balls to the keeper.

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