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Quote from: JSRAW on February 28, 2021, 01:57:35 AM

Good to see fair amount of people supporting spin track as they support seaming-bouncy wickets and calling out hypocrisy.

If anyone crying about pitch or only spinners taking wicket, should read this article.
Why are only spinning wickets classified as poor?

Read this also "Ashwin interview" or watch on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuBQBwE47Pk
R Ashwin hits back at pitch critics: 'Who defines what a good surface is?'

Nathon Lyon also thinks the same -Its Australian media so don't bother with the catchy headline "Whacks crying Poms"-
‘I want that curator at the SCG’: Lyon whacks ‘crying’ Poms after furore over two-day Test pitch

I am sure that every spinner in the world will be amazed to bowl at such a track and there is nothing wrong with it right because if batsmen getting advantage most of the time and pacers getting the remaining then spinners are rarely having such a golden opportunity but still people calling it as not fair.

ENG needs to practice on the spinning tracks as well because this is international arena so they should be prepared to play on every condition irrespective of which is more favorable conditions for them to play.

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^^^ Ashwin and Lyon may disagree. But I don't think that the pitch in which Joe Root got 5 wickets for 8 runs against the world famous Indian batsmen can be considered as adequate for international standards. Two-day test matches has happened earlier as well. But most of these matches resulted lop-sided contests, such as the match in 2018 between India and Afghanistan or the 2017 test match between South Africa vs Zimbabwe. In both these matches, the winning team scored in excess of 300 runs in their first innings.

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Good to see fair amount of people supporting spin track as they support seaming-bouncy wickets and calling out hypocrisy.

If anyone crying about pitch or only spinners taking wicket, should read this article.
Why are only spinning wickets classified as poor?

Read this also "Ashwin interview" or watch on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuBQBwE47Pk
R Ashwin hits back at pitch critics: 'Who defines what a good surface is?'

Nathon Lyon also thinks the same -Its Australian media so don't bother with the catchy headline "Whacks crying Poms"-
‘I want that curator at the SCG’: Lyon whacks ‘crying’ Poms after furore over two-day Test pitch

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 27, 2021, 10:54:23 AM

The broadcasters will not like the match finishing early but since it is India they wont have any complaints as they will get the advertisement revenue than any other country and if the match ends quite often then they might raise any concerns and ask to extend the contract as they are paying insane high amount of money for the matches and they are willing to pay because they can return them through advertisement and usually matches will not end in two days.

Under such conditions, I believe that the ICC need to reimburse the broadcasters at least 40% of the amount. Usually we don't expect the test matches to last 5 days, but 4 days is the average. Here because of the poor ground condition, the match got finished in almost 5 sessions of play (two days). It is the fault of the BCCI and they need to cover the losses for the TV broadcasters.

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Any of you saw this tweet from former England captain Michael Vaughan, "Indian batsman can't play off spinners from Yorkshire." This was referred to Joe Root once after the first innings of India. Joe Root was the one to make a five wicket as a captain after Bob Willis.

Joe Root is a part time bowler and he had success in the pitch that helps the spinners and there are many opinions from former players and England have the best team in a long time and many were hoping England to give a good fight and after the win in the first match everyone expected the matches to be much closer but India dominated the next two matches.

After the first match, everyone thought India would lose the series, and maybe the tug of war will begin with Virat Kohli's captaincy. But in the next two matches, India completely defeated England. I have not seen such a poor performance of England in Test format for a long time. But I think England will win the last Test match. And the series will draw

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Quote from: AjithBtc on February 26, 2021, 10:16:24 PM

Any of you saw this tweet from former England captain Michael Vaughan, "Indian batsman can't play off spinners from Yorkshire." This was referred to Joe Root once after the first innings of India. Joe Root was the one to make a five wicket as a captain after Bob Willis.

Joe Root is a part time bowler and he had success in the pitch that helps the spinners and there are many opinions from former players and England have the best team in a long time and many were hoping England to give a good fight and after the win in the first match everyone expected the matches to be much closer but India dominated the next two matches.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 27, 2021, 11:20:37 AM

The Indian and English cricketers themselves don't have major issues with the pitch. The cricketers who are whining like kids are actually the commentators, England legends etc which is embarrassing to be honest.

There were many pundits who predicted Australia is going to whitewash India and when India won the series they were silent for a while and now they started again complaining about the pitch and it is funny to hear all the complaints. The WTC rules were changed when the pandemic hit and India is supposed to be playing in the final with the matches they played and Australia wisely cancelled the South African tour because they will get the points even without playing and after England loosing they lost the place in the WTC final and now they are finding the reason for the failure Cheesy

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Quote from: mersal on February 27, 2021, 11:11:28 AM

Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen.

The Indian and English cricketers themselves don't have major issues with the pitch. The cricketers who are whining like kids are actually the commentators, England legends etc which is embarrassing to be honest.

These guys need to learn from New Zealand on how to accept and learn from your losses(NZ players could have made a big deal out of the World Cup final, but they chose not to).

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 27, 2021, 03:06:09 AM

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium Cheesy

. I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers Cheesy

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Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen. Pitch curator will be asked to produce better quality pitch this time and the match ended in just 2 days so they will be having more time to get the things done in the last match of this series to avoid any further criticism on the pitch side.

I do not understand what’s wrong for having the pitch which supports spinners, like is it completely fine when the pitch supports fast bowlers then who will think for spinners under that case. Its fair to have the pitch supporting spinners, there are already pitches supporting fast bowlers. Okay match ended too quickly then expected but understand Indian 4th innings score was scored without losing a wicket so it means the pitch was getting better from 3rd day only thing need time to stand on the pitch.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 27, 2021, 08:00:20 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 27, 2021, 03:06:09 AM

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium Cheesy

. I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers Cheesy

.

Lets give bowlers too a chance to dominate the game completely and that is what happened on that match but even crickets feel its unfair to have a pitch which favours the spinners than batsmen. Pitch curator will be asked to produce better quality pitch this time and the match ended in just 2 days so they will be having more time to get the things done in the last match of this series to avoid any further criticism on the pitch side.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 26, 2021, 10:26:26 PM

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In both the cases, the TV broadcasters are going to lose out. If the match ends in two days instead of five, then their advertising revenue will be taking a big hit. For the cricket board, it is not an issue since the TV rights are already sold out and they are not much dependent on the gate collection. But for the TV channels and those who put up advertisement in the ground, it will turn to be a loss making proposition.

The broadcasters will not like the match finishing early but since it is India they wont have any complaints as they will get the advertisement revenue than any other country and if the match ends quite often then they might raise any concerns and ask to extend the contract as they are paying insane high amount of money for the matches and they are willing to pay because they can return them through advertisement and usually matches will not end in two days.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 27, 2021, 03:06:09 AM

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

I really enjoyed the matches when bowlers have the advantage, i really do like the contest between bat and ball and i really do not enjoy when the batsman is dominating and the bowler is playing the second fiddle bowling the ball to amuse the audience fetching the ball outside stadium Cheesy

. I did not enjoy watching the T10 format matches as i do not find it entertaining when the batsman have all the advantage with shorter boundaries .

The rules that helps the batsman were written when there were no protection for the batsman nor they were having the helmet and now things are different and there should be a format that takes away all the undue advantage of a batsman, no leg side field restriction nor limits on bouncers but you can call wide.

The only problem i saw with the Ahmedabad pitch is the quality of the pitch, dust puffing in the first day and if the matches are not finished in the first 3 days you will see 90 degree turn from Joe Root and other part time bowlers Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 27, 2021, 03:06:09 AM

Bumrah is not playing next game, guess due to personal reason or rested..

The final match is played in the same stadium and hence there is no point in replacement, they should add an extra batman rather than wasting a spot as Axar and Ashwin will be bowling almost all the overs .

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 26, 2021, 06:07:13 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 25, 2021, 12:05:58 PM

If all the test nations follow this and prepare pitches to suit them, then it is going to create a lot of issues. I hope that the ICC has taken note of the condition of the pitch.

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are preparing similar pitches like India and the ball usually starts spinning from the first day and England had a successful campaign in Sri Lanka before touring India because of the quality of players India have. I am yet to see Pakistan preparing wickets like these as they recently resumed cricket and the pitches were decent when they played South Africa.

The solution to prepare green turf when Asians countries tour and repay the debt as i do not think ICC will interfere in the pitch preparation.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 26, 2021, 09:54:29 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 26, 2021, 01:47:41 AM

I agree that this pitch was not suitable for the 5 day test cricket but it was not 2 day pitch either. Maximum 3-4 days pitch, domestic teams play on such pitches everytime. Batters from the both sides were bad in this game and meltdown only coming because spinners dominated the game and Blue eyed boys Anderson-Broad-Archer-Bumrah-Ishant were spectators throughout the game.

After watching the match the ICC should create a new format and the team should be given the complete freedom to prepare friendly wickets that helps them according to their strength which they already do but a format which helps bowlers without any restrictions to the field set as well as the number of bouncers allowed. Since the other formats gives batsman an advantage by imposing restrictions let the bowlers have a format as well Cheesy

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I enjoyed the match as it was fun to see how the batsman were struggling to read the line and length and the commentators were blaming the batsman for having low standards of defense rather than talking any negative about the pitch Cheesy

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I don't mind watching such game once a while, just for change but tbh i don't really enjoy 2 days test cricket because its not healthy for the test cricket overall. Having said that i am equally against the hypocritical behavior of almost everyone, when fast bowlers finish the game quickly then its good for cricket and batsmen can't play seam etc, but when its spin then every discussion focus on blaming the pitch, toss etc except batsmen.

I might be a biased but i find this mindset bit of colonial and slave mentality. After all we want gora's approval on freaking everything.

Bumrah is not playing next game, guess due to personal reason or rested..

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I disagree with the people complaining and whining about the unfair pitch conditions(Vaughan, Cook etc). I agree with what Hussain and Ojha had to say regarding this matter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/nasser-hussain-slams-england-batsmen-for-poor-show-against-india-in-third-test-in-ahmedabad-says-it-was-not-an-81-all-out-pitch-england-batters-looked-like-startled-rabbits-101614348334610-amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-please-talk-about-stuart-broad-s-8-for-15-what-kind-of-a-wicket-was-that-pragyan-ojha-slams-criticism-of-3rd-test-narendra-modi-stadium-pitch-101614315325371-amp.html

This pitch heavily favoured spinners from both teams in a fair manner, but India proved themselves as the better team at the end of the day. This was easily one of the most entertaining test matches in recent times in my opinion.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 26, 2021, 06:07:13 PM

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are preparing similar pitches like India and the ball usually starts spinning from the first day and England had a successful campaign in Sri Lanka before touring India because of the quality of players India have. I am yet to see Pakistan preparing wickets like these as they recently resumed cricket and the pitches were decent when they played South Africa.

The solution to prepare green turf when Asians countries tour and repay the debt as i do not think ICC will interfere in the pitch preparation.

In both the cases, the TV broadcasters are going to lose out. If the match ends in two days instead of five, then their advertising revenue will be taking a big hit. For the cricket board, it is not an issue since the TV rights are already sold out and they are not much dependent on the gate collection. But for the TV channels and those who put up advertisement in the ground, it will turn to be a loss making proposition.

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Any of you saw this tweet from former England captain Michael Vaughan, "Indian batsman can't play off spinners from Yorkshire." This was referred to Joe Root once after the first innings of India. Joe Root was the one to make a five wicket as a captain after Bob Willis.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 25, 2021, 12:05:58 PM

If all the test nations follow this and prepare pitches to suit them, then it is going to create a lot of issues. I hope that the ICC has taken note of the condition of the pitch.

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are preparing similar pitches like India and the ball usually starts spinning from the first day and England had a successful campaign in Sri Lanka before touring India because of the quality of players India have. I am yet to see Pakistan preparing wickets like these as they recently resumed cricket and the pitches were decent when they played South Africa.

The solution to prepare green turf when Asians countries tour and repay the debt as i do not think ICC will interfere in the pitch preparation.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 26, 2021, 09:54:29 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 26, 2021, 01:47:41 AM

I agree that this pitch was not suitable for the 5 day test cricket but it was not 2 day pitch either. Maximum 3-4 days pitch, domestic teams play on such pitches everytime. Batters from the both sides were bad in this game and meltdown only coming because spinners dominated the game and Blue eyed boys Anderson-Broad-Archer-Bumrah-Ishant were spectators throughout the game.

After watching the match the ICC should create a new format and the team should be given the complete freedom to prepare friendly wickets that helps them according to their strength which they already do but a format which helps bowlers without any restrictions to the field set as well as the number of bouncers allowed. Since the other formats gives batsman an advantage by imposing restrictions let the bowlers have a format as well Cheesy

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I enjoyed the match as it was fun to see how the batsman were struggling to read the line and length and the commentators were blaming the batsman for having low standards of defense rather than talking any negative about the pitch Cheesy

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Probably the pitch could have been changed a bit if the players could play more but in modern-day cricket, the defense is getting weaker among all the teams due to the shorter cricket format like T20 and T10. Maybe we can see that this is one of the worth pitch to be played but it could have been tackled if batsmen started to think more defensive than thinking about making runs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 26, 2021, 01:47:41 AM

I agree that this pitch was not suitable for the 5 day test cricket but it was not 2 day pitch either. Maximum 3-4 days pitch, domestic teams play on such pitches everytime. Batters from the both sides were bad in this game and meltdown only coming because spinners dominated the game and Blue eyed boys Anderson-Broad-Archer-Bumrah-Ishant were spectators throughout the game.

After watching the match the ICC should create a new format and the team should be given the complete freedom to prepare friendly wickets that helps them according to their strength which they already do but a format which helps bowlers without any restrictions to the field set as well as the number of bouncers allowed. Since the other formats gives batsman an advantage by imposing restrictions let the bowlers have a format as well Cheesy

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I enjoyed the match as it was fun to see how the batsman were struggling to read the line and length and the commentators were blaming the batsman for having low standards of defense rather than talking any negative about the pitch Cheesy

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