Topic: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] - page 888. (Read 168668 times)

Well.. the fast bowlers bowled considerable number of overs in the first test match. The third test match was an exception and I don't think that we'll get a similar type of pitch in the fourth match. Ever since I started watching cricket, I have never seen a team deciding to include no fast bowlers in their playing XI. I have seen teams going with no spinners, but going without pace bowlers is unheard of.

The Indian pace bowlers bowled a total of 11 overs in the third Test match, 19 overs in the second Test matches and the only match India used the fast bowlers was in the first Test match and England won that match and we know how the pitch is going to behave and with that clear why you need to include the fast bowlers if they are not going to bowl.

As I mentioned earlier, I am OK with 1 pacer and 3/4 spinners. But I believe that 7788bitcoin wanted to go with an all-spin attack. I don't think that going to a test match without any pacer is a good idea, especially when there are no part-time pace bowlers in the Indian squad. I have seen many occasions when teams in SENA grounds went with an all-pace attack. But even in such occasions, they had at least 2-3 part timers who could bowl occasional spin.

It would be great if India replace Ishant Sharma with a spinner and India going in the match with an extra batsman and 4 main spinners and Ashwin, Axar Patel, Sundar and since Jadeja is injured and we can go with Kuldeep in the team. In the past India used to play with 3 and 4 spinners and no one complained about that and every team will play according to their strength and there is nothing wrong in it.

Do you feel same when any subcontinent team visit any SENA countires? After all, we have countless (99.99%) examples where team went with the 4 seam +1 spin combination so why not go with the opposite if visiting SENA country is not vulnerable against spin (at least in recent scenario)?

They can go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners as they did during the third test, or with just 1 pacer and 3 spinner. Going with 4 spinners, with no pace bowling support will be madness. I would have considered this scenario, if India had some pace bowling all rounders. The current Indian team have none. All of their batsmen bowl part-time spin and there is not a single player who could bowl medium pace. This is OK in India, but can be a big handicap in SENA nations. There are a few promising youngsters in the domestic circuit such as Manisankar Murasingh. The BCCI needs to give them an opportunity to play for the national team.

Kuldeep had a ton of opportunities to perform in the past which is why I don't think this is unfair at all. Axar is performing well currently and that is what matters. The DD dude reminds me of Chahal in many ways.

Well said. Peterson, Vaughan, Cook etc should be embarrassed of themselves for complaining and whining about the pitch. Am not a big fan of tests personally, but I enjoyed watching this one from start to finish.

My favourite part was Bairstow getting bowled spectacularly right after surviving an LBW decision. 0/2 was madness and the commentators lost it.

Its completely reverse what we see in SENA country so its fair in all means. Would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Axar-Kuldeep/Sunder group in India similar to Anderson-Broad-Woakes-Archer or Cummins-Hazelwood-Starc +one more (Green etc).

F**k everyone if they say its spinning track etc, even its turning from day 1, adapt or die as simple as that. If India lose from here then Job well done for Visiting team without any doubt. Yardstick should be same for everyone. India never complain about seam, swing bounce in SENA countries.

I wont be surprised if India goes into the match with an all out spin attack, Kuldeep Yadav and Washington Sundar along with Ravichandran Ashwin and Axar Patel but i doubt Kuldeep Yadav and Washington Sundar will get any major role in the match as Washington Sundar got just 4 balls to bowl in the last match and he picked one wicket and i thought they should have given these youngsters more chance in spinning tracks to build their confidence.

Kuldeep Yadav is a good bowler and he is probably the best wrist spinner India is having right now. He got a very rough deal in the second test match (after being dropped in the first match), when Kohli didn't gave him too many overs. And he was unfairly dropped for the third test match as well. But then Axar came to the squad and picked up close to a dozen wickets in the third match, so I don't know whether Kuldeep will get another chance.

Since bumrah is not playing due to personal reasons and since BCCI did not object to it, I guess the next match venue will be again spinners paradise. Indian team has three spinners and I think they will again play them. I am pretty sure Ashwin and Patel will ball, I think this time they will also include yadav. This guy too is a good spinner of the ball with his left arm.

Warne and Murali got wickets in seam friendly wickets and so does Anil Kumble when playing outside Asia. The reason Warne and Murali did not find much success in India is because of the batting line who always dominated spin but we cannot say the same with the current crop of players.
 
Warne debuted against India and Ravi Shastri scored a double century in that match and attacked Warne all over the ground and players like Laxman, Dravid, Tendulkar, Azharuddin and Ganguly were great players of spin and no spinner could dominate a batting line up like that.

Jasprit Bumrah asked the BCCI to release him from the team for the final Test due to personal reasons. 

Maybe BCCI is looking for a replacement for Jasprit Bumrah. If Jaspreet Bumrah is not in the squad or is injured, it is important to know who will be a worthy player for India instead. India has won two matches. Even if they lose the last match, the series will be a draw. They will not lose the series. So maybe BCCI has decided to give a chance to someone other than Bumrah.

It is due to COVID 19 restrictions. The BCCI thought that it will be easier to set up bio-secure bubbles, in case the matches are held in two venues instead of four. So we had Chennai hosting the first two matches and Ahmedabad getting selected for the last two. The other state associations may be unhappy about it. Because normally the hosting rights are decided on a rotational basis among the 38 member associations of the BCCI.

BTW, I don't think that the team winning the toss would elect to bowl first (unless the pitch is different from what we are expecting). That would mean that they need to bat on 4th innings. If the pitch behaves like a minefield, then it will be almost impossible to bat on 4th and 5th day (if the match actually last that long). So I guess the team winning the toss will decide to bat first, as have been the case so far.

The match is held in the same ground not sure the reason for it, because could have had 4 venues like for 4 matches which is generally the case. And now we know that the test match might not last more than 3 days or max the result should be on the 4th day. Also winning the toss and might want to bowl first since Indian in second innings were completely batting in a different way than the first innings and were better in timing the ball as well.

There is no point in being defensive. You can't win a test match with defensive tactics. If you aim for a draw, then the opposing team may end up winning the match. So they should go for the kill, and aim for 3-1 series win. The pitch is expected to behave the same way and the England batsmen are struggling. Last time, they had the advantage of winning the toss. And imagine what could have happened if they lost the toss as well.

I think they are playing in the same ground and India needs to win the match or draw to get a place in the World Test Championship finals and we have already seen how the pitch behaves and there is no way we will see a draw in the match and India will be prepared to win the match and win the series as well as a place in the WTC finals.

I don't understand the point in excluding Jasprit Bumrah for the squad for 4th test match. He is not a part of the T20/ODI squads, so there is no excuse to rest him further. And India should not become complacent here, as their slot for the WTC final is not yet confirmed. At this point I would have preferred going with an unchanged squad, rather than replacing Bumrah with Umesh/Saini/Siraj. This is a big match, and the team needs to realize that they can't lose it.

Source?? or it didn't happened. Historically English, Aussie, NZ, SA batsmen were never good player of spin, except few exceptions.
How many times Murli or Warne dominated Indian batsmen on spin tracks in India (As it is common believe that Indian pitches are heaven for Spinners? They must have been dominating force in India, right? Both Murli and Warne struggled in India badly. Murli succeeded to penetrate Indian defense only one time in India. The little success Murli got against the Indians were at his home turf, even there he failed to dominate according to his reputation. And Warne, well he never got any significant success against Indians.

Because of this reason Indians got tag of "Good players of spin". Although current batch is not good as it used to be. Because i have noticed them getting knocked out against the part timers in every format couple of times. Root's recent performance with the ball is another add on in that list.


Out of 16 games only 2 game went to 5th day without any delay. So I can make up only couple of things, which i already mentioned in my previous posts.
1. Pink ball concept is new for everyone so no one is familiar how it behaves and its going through experimental phase.
2. Ahmadabad pitch was not 5 day test pitch but it was not 2 days pitch either, batsmen from the both teams batted poorly and less shitty team won the game, as simple as that.

Legendary bowlers such as Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan bowled out opposing teams for less than 100 runs in flat tracks which offered hardly any support for the spinners. As far as I remember, Sri Lanka never prepared pitches like this one in any of the 133 tests which Muralitharan played. Because they thought that it was against the spirit of cricket. And back then, Sri Lanka was overly dependent on him.

Before the Ahmedabad test, there were five occasions where the test match ended in 2 days in 21st century. Out of that, four matches involved weak teams such as Zimbabwe or Afghanistan. The only other occasion was the match between Australia and Pakistan in 2002 (Sharjah), when Pakistan was bowled out for totals of 59 and 53 in a track which supported spinners (Warne took 8 wickets). Pakistan were the hosts, so they can't complain.

Ahmedabad test is the only occasion in 21st century, where a match between two equal-strength teams ended in two days. A lot has been talked about pacers getting undue advantage in SENA nations. But as I have posted above, all the two-day test matches of 21st century involved spinners destroying the opposing team, or lop-sided contests.