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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2021, 10:12:32 PM

Pakistan getting completely destroyed by Kyle Jamieson at Christchurch. They are trailing by 223 runs, with just three more wickets in hand. Another innings defeat looks very likely. Jamieson has so far taken 10 wickets in this test match, and his test bowling average now stands at an unbelievable 13.34 (35 wickets from 6 matches). And remember that Pakistan is in such a horrible position, although New Zealand is missing key bowlers such as Neil Wagner and Lockie Ferguson.

Well, there is a lot of politics in recent time in the team and i was not expecting much from them. Any win would have been a miracle for them which did not happen.

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Pakistan has performed very poorly in the recent times while playing outside the subcontinent, so this defeat wasn't much of a surprise. It just confirms the elevation of New Zealand as one of the cricket superpowers. If any of the skeptics were still doubtful about New Zealand, even after they managed to finish as the runner ups during the 2019 World Cup, they will be silent now. It is no longer big3, but big 4 (big 3+ NZ).

"Big 3" title is never given on the basis of performance.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 05, 2021, 11:37:50 PM

My guess was that if Pakistan could not take any of NZ's wickets in the first session of the third day, then Pakistan would lose the match by an innings. And I told it before. What I thought happened. Pakistan lost not only by an innings, but they also lost by a huge margin of innings and 176 runs. This is their fourth defeat in terms of innings and huge runs. Their biggest defeat was against England, that was an inning and 225 runs.

Pakistan has performed very poorly in the recent times while playing outside the subcontinent, so this defeat wasn't much of a surprise. It just confirms the elevation of New Zealand as one of the cricket superpowers. If any of the skeptics were still doubtful about New Zealand, even after they managed to finish as the runner ups during the 2019 World Cup, they will be silent now. It is no longer big3, but big 4 (big 3+ NZ).

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My guess was that if Pakistan could not take any of NZ's wickets in the first session of the third day, then Pakistan would lose the match by an innings. And I told it before. What I thought happened. Pakistan lost not only by an innings, but they also lost by a huge margin of innings and 176 runs. This is their fourth defeat in terms of innings and huge runs. Their biggest defeat was against England, that was an inning and 225 runs.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

I think Pakistan is still fine they just are not able to get a stable team but talking about Sri Lanka their future is absolutely disastorous. The problem with Sri Lanka is that there are no senior players in the team to guide the junior guys who are coming in. All the big guns vanished from the team all of a sudden. I think the 2011 World Cup Sri Lankan team was the last best team from Sri Lanka after the retirement of Sanga, Jayawardane, Murali and Dilshan the team can't even be compared to our India-A team. They have a pretty dark future lying ahead of them I feel soon Afghanistan(if they can part ways with terrorism and such conflicts) would become a better cricketing nation than Sri Lanka.

Lot of political issues are also one of the main reason why they can't be able to find the talented players. I will never agree with the smaller population means less talented people because talented people were refused to given chance for various reasons which is also exist in most of the cricket boards.

World cup team in 2011 was the best team for Sri Lanka and after that as well they had some good players still Sri Lankan cricket board dropped some of them after few failures.

Every board has political issue, In my opinion corruption is one of the main reason and second is interference from the political leaders. The core system of selection needs to be changed, following the big boards model won't help them finding local talent.

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Pakistan getting completely destroyed by Kyle Jamieson at Christchurch. They are trailing by 223 runs, with just three more wickets in hand. Another innings defeat looks very likely. Jamieson has so far taken 10 wickets in this test match, and his test bowling average now stands at an unbelievable 13.34 (35 wickets from 6 matches). And remember that Pakistan is in such a horrible position, although New Zealand is missing key bowlers such as Neil Wagner and Lockie Ferguson.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

I think Pakistan is still fine they just are not able to get a stable team but talking about Sri Lanka their future is absolutely disastorous. The problem with Sri Lanka is that there are no senior players in the team to guide the junior guys who are coming in. All the big guns vanished from the team all of a sudden. I think the 2011 World Cup Sri Lankan team was the last best team from Sri Lanka after the retirement of Sanga, Jayawardane, Murali and Dilshan the team can't even be compared to our India-A team. They have a pretty dark future lying ahead of them I feel soon Afghanistan(if they can part ways with terrorism and such conflicts) would become a better cricketing nation than Sri Lanka.

Lot of political issues are also one of the main reason why they can't be able to find the talented players. I will never agree with the smaller population means less talented people because talented people were refused to given chance for various reasons which is also exist in most of the cricket boards.

World cup team in 2011 was the best team for Sri Lanka and after that as well they had some good players still Sri Lankan cricket board dropped some of them after few failures.

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Quote from: vella85 on January 05, 2021, 04:38:25 PM

Well times change in test match cricket and now its mainly dominated by England, Australia, New Zealand and India where as back in the 80's and 90's it was a mix of teams and even though some of the lower ranked teams were not as good as the top teams they at least gave the top teams a challenge but now days there seems to be a huge gap between the top teams and lower ranked teams which is why we are seeing these one sided matches.

Some team goes through smooth transitions some fails. SA,SL,PAK,WI all failed to find replacement to their legendary players. Ofcourse they do have 1-2 classic players but they can't drag the team alone all by themselves. On the other hand Big 3 and Kiwis did okay job so they looks in better situation, although they also have their fair share of problems.

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Well times change in test match cricket and now its mainly dominated by England, Australia, New Zealand and India where as back in the 80's and 90's it was a mix of teams and even though some of the lower ranked teams were not as good as the top teams they at least gave the top teams a challenge but now days there seems to be a huge gap between the top teams and lower ranked teams which is why we are seeing these one sided matches.

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Yes, you are right but the ICC seems to be blind to this issue. Teams such as West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka were being regarded as some of the best test sides two decades ago. In just one or two decades the situation changed upside down. There is no single reason for the downfall of these teams. In each case, it is a combination of multiple factors. But it is really tragic, to see once powerful teams performing so poorly.

West Indies dominated world cricket during 70s 80s and 90s but after that they could not replicate the amount of success because they were not able to replicate the level of world class players they had, Pakistan had some good players in the late 80s and 90s but now they are just a shell of their past and they usually produced world class bowlers and they could not find quality bowlers and Sri Lanka started dominating in the mid 90s under Arjuna Ranatunga and it continued late in 2000s but now they are finding it hard to find quality players.

Where system is good and infrastructure is also doing good these countries producing good cricketers like Australia New Zealand and England now we can add India as well but others facing some serious issues related to quota system political issues and many other just because of this they are losing grounds very quickly otherwise this all can go very good for many other countries like South Africa West Indies Sri Lanka and Pakistan as well.

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Yes, you are right but the ICC seems to be blind to this issue. Teams such as West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka were being regarded as some of the best test sides two decades ago. In just one or two decades the situation changed upside down. There is no single reason for the downfall of these teams. In each case, it is a combination of multiple factors. But it is really tragic, to see once powerful teams performing so poorly.

West Indies dominated world cricket during 70s 80s and 90s but after that they could not replicate the amount of success because they were not able to replicate the level of world class players they had, Pakistan had some good players in the late 80s and 90s but now they are just a shell of their past and they usually produced world class bowlers and they could not find quality bowlers and Sri Lanka started dominating in the mid 90s under Arjuna Ranatunga and it continued late in 2000s but now they are finding it hard to find quality players.

The reason for the team of West Indies and Pakistan being left behind are the hurdles on the development of cricket on the respective places. For West Indies, it were both team administrators as well as politics and influence of individual island nation of the cricket union that favored some players while troubled others. Pakistan too have problem in and out of the team management. And both of them have failed to increase or maintain the infrastructure specially that within west indies.

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Yes, you are right but the ICC seems to be blind to this issue. Teams such as West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka were being regarded as some of the best test sides two decades ago. In just one or two decades the situation changed upside down. There is no single reason for the downfall of these teams. In each case, it is a combination of multiple factors. But it is really tragic, to see once powerful teams performing so poorly.

West Indies dominated world cricket during 70s 80s and 90s but after that they could not replicate the amount of success because they were not able to replicate the level of world class players they had, Pakistan had some good players in the late 80s and 90s but now they are just a shell of their past and they usually produced world class bowlers and they could not find quality bowlers and Sri Lanka started dominating in the mid 90s under Arjuna Ranatunga and it continued late in 2000s but now they are finding it hard to find quality players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

I think Pakistan is still fine they just are not able to get a stable team but talking about Sri Lanka their future is absolutely disastorous. The problem with Sri Lanka is that there are no senior players in the team to guide the junior guys who are coming in. All the big guns vanished from the team all of a sudden. I think the 2011 World Cup Sri Lankan team was the last best team from Sri Lanka after the retirement of Sanga, Jayawardane, Murali and Dilshan the team can't even be compared to our India-A team. They have a pretty dark future lying ahead of them I feel soon Afghanistan(if they can part ways with terrorism and such conflicts) would become a better cricketing nation than Sri Lanka.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

This is so true that the difference between the best teams and other teams are gradually rising rather than falling in line, which is a greater cause of concern for cricket. This mostly is due to board and money involved in that because talent will always exists in the country but to nurture and bring it on top by provide right kind of facilities and training is required which the board needs to take care if they want to produce world class cricketers in coming times.

Both test match of SA vs SL, SL lost badly and almost both tests were won by big margin so its going just one side matches.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

About Pakistan nothing new they mostly done things like this in Australia New Zealand because they never done home work before these tours but really shocked with way playing Sri Lanka because in last tour they completely out class Proteas but this time they are not near this which they done in last tour.

This time Lankans were playing local t-20 league and directly came to SA without any rest or match practice, majority of them were tired and then injuries in the team didn't help their cause but on 1st inning of 1st test they batted well and i thought may be they could repeat the same, it turned out pitch was easy to bat on for everyone.

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Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

We don't have any good touring team in the test cricket so it doesn't bother me much now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

About Pakistan nothing new they mostly done things like this in Australia New Zealand because they never done home work before these tours but really shocked with way playing Sri Lanka because in last tour they completely out class Proteas but this time they are not near this which they done in last tour.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 04, 2021, 09:55:43 PM

Kane Williamson is slowly closing on his double hundred against Pakistan, and New Zealand is approaching a total of 500 (right now they are at 487/5). I was expecting a better performance from the Pakistani bowlers, after their good showing with the bat. But they look out of sorts and incapable of taking the wickets (even with supportive ground conditions). It is going to be an innings defeat for Pakistan.

NZ scored 659 before they declare their innings, Williamson played exceptionally and scored 238 in an innings. Now pakistan trail by 354 runs and they already lost One of their opener before the stumps. Two days are still remaining so its an impossible task for PAK to draw or win this match.

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Kane Williamson is slowly closing on his double hundred against Pakistan, and New Zealand is approaching a total of 500 (right now they are at 487/5). I was expecting a better performance from the Pakistani bowlers, after their good showing with the bat. But they look out of sorts and incapable of taking the wickets (even with supportive ground conditions). It is going to be an innings defeat for Pakistan.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 04, 2021, 01:57:17 PM

Tim Paine has underperformed in test cricket. His test batting average is just 32.20 and the only test player with a regular slot in the playing XI with a lower average (as far as I can remember) is Temba Bavuma of South Africa. A 36-year old with sub-40 batting average in test? I think some younger player deserves that slot.

Tim Paine is in the team because of his experience and a keeper after Steve Smith and Warner were suspended which shows that they do see foresee anyone in the team that could handle the leadership role and CA always go with non controversial captains. I still think Shane Warne could have being the best captain because of his tactical skills but they never gave him an opportunity because of his outlandish character outside cricket.

Quote from: teosanru on January 04, 2021, 03:58:11 PM

I don't think Australia has got any legendary Wicket-keeper batsmen after Gilchrist. Brad Haddin was good but nowhere near Gilchrist.

It is hard to find a replacement for Adam Gilchrist or Ian Healy who were considered as the best to ever play the game and that is the situation with India and Sri Lanka as they will not find a replacement for MS Dhoni or Kumar Sangakkara.

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