Topic: Thailand files complaint against Bitcoin Seasteader - page 2. (Read 1386 times)

Nobody knows what is really in the heart of another person until he acts. I'm not going to say that parking a seastead next to Thailand was wise. But we don't know that Elwar did it with hostile intent. And, we don't know that he did it with anything other than what he said and showed, to live free and promote a business of making seasteads.

If his plan was to popularize himself, so what? Lots of people do this kind of thing. It's a dog-eat-dog world in the world of business. Even you are popularizing yourself by being the guy who doesn't use proper punctuation and grammar. So, nobody can tell what you are really saying... a built-in disclaimer.

actually im on a plane right now.
and i leave my butt scratching for when in the shower
but nice to know where you think most forum members lives exist in. more revealing about your lifestyle maybe

anyway for years elwar has been trying to promote citizenship on his seastead campaigns. even in the video just linked he is talking about making birth certificates an such.. so pretending now he was just a guest on someone elses pod an he had no intention of being a true seasteader is a bit cowardy.

mostly due to him for over a year promoting how its his home and his design involvement and such and now trying to finger point the blame at some 'space engineer guy'
shameful

anyway, im guessing soon he will release a book about his life and do public interviews how he was such a pioneer and such blah. where al he really is after is the money

i called him out many times over the years on his crap and he could not even answer the basic questions of sanitation but was always fast to promote the citizenship

yea.. millions of citizens registered to a couple dozen bedroom boat was his previous project.. if no one else could see the holes in that plan then i feel sorry for people that think elwar is some positive role model

He said as he scratched his ass from his bedroom.

oh elwar.. i can already see his plan B. he wants to do a edward snowdon style publicity script making out a country wants to kill him..
but elwar main goal is doing public appearances and ride that money train next.
.. nice braces by the way,
im guessing your publicist advised you to correct your teeth before proper public appearances in the near future

i have been watching elwar for years and seen he was always riding the exhaust trails of big money. trying to seek millions in investments with no real big returns.
seeking double figure millions to buy a boat so 15 people can ave meetings on to discuss next campaign
and even with investments coming in he just used like $30k(doesnt look like 150k costs) for a small pod that he only visits for youtube segments just for promoting..

sorry i just dont see elwar as a true figure head for 'freeing' the planet of corrupt government control of citizens. he is a secret capitalist in libertarian sheepskin

Looks like the world is going to find out about Thailand. But watch out! Anarchapulco isn't always the safest place.


World Exclusive " 1st Interview with the World's 1st Seasteaders, Marked for Death by the Thai Government.




First Interview with World's First Seasteaders, Wanted Dead by Thailand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWqxRAQ7Ts

Thanks, franky1. You're fun.     

this is a social forum not a legal document. thus no need for the formalities that elitist egotists always perform, to try appearing better than others

i prefer the content of my words to mean more, not the appearance of my words

if you think bad grammar = no experience. then sucks to be you.
many people who do a heck of alot of research then dont have time to simplify it down to 'dummy' standard and then go back and glamourise it with techno jargon again and grammar and punctuation.
the message should just speak for itself

by the way, are you rich yet by doing the 'slapp' lawsuits you been training to perform

But you don't seem to have the imagination that it takes to even do research.

On the other hand, maybe you have done your research. Notice how you don't capitalize your sentences. Maybe you do it because you don't want your sentence to be capital punishment.

sounds like your research is mainly in the fiction arena

Sounds like you need to re-watch "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)" - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046672/.

saland dosnt have the 'land' space to house enough people to form a diverse government. they just want to sell 'citizenships' yt dont have the room to legally let the amount of citizens they want to membership up actually reside.
and they dont intend to expand the square footage of space available.

the elwar project is more about each pod has its own rules and it moves to area's where other pod communities share similar morals/rules that are acceptable to each other.
thus a consensus government forms between the different 'pod people' wiithout central government as such
(more like a senate without a president. or a parliament without a primeminister)

however elwar himself was more of a promoter for money grabs and only used his pod as a demo for promotion and occassional vacation/fishing spot. rather than a working 24/7/365 home

many issues with going too far away EG 100's of miles out to sea is
distance from resupplies
deeper waters requiring stronger longer spires to sit on = more cost and engineering and work
wilder waters with bigger waves

sp its not as simple as just throwing a dart at an international ocean map and saying 'that will be fine' alot more has to go into it
and also elwars pod was never big enough to have groundspace to grow own food on rook or have enough solar panels for normal living electric needs. and to make a larger platform comes with more costs
in short the further away from mainland the more costly it gets

The other side of this is that there are many boats out there that barely ever come in to land. In other words, seasteading is being done to some extent already.

The difference with places like Sealand is that they are trying to form a government that isn't really attractive to people. The few that like it will join.

The kind of seastead promoted by the Seastead Institute - https://www.seasteading.org/ - doesn't necessarily need to remain in one place like Sealand. So, it's early enough that the "seastead" term hasn't been settled completely.

People that want this kind of life are doing it already. The next step for some of them might be to form a government of sorts, out on the high seas.

They keyword is might have been  
I'd love to see a new sovereign nation built this way, but considering past efforts, I'm pessimistic about someone succeeding anywhere close to another nation. Sealand is the only successive effort that I know of.

Of course, it's not exactly easy. However, all major nations have technically, legally agreed that beyond 12 nautical miles off their shores is international waters. There are many nations that hold as much as 200 nm as business waters for their nation, even though it is technically international waters. Two hundred miles out isn't all that far regarding how far international waters go. There are loads of underwater shelves in the Pacific Ocean that are less than 100 meters deep - shallow enough for a seastead - and outside of even the business waters of all nations.

If Elwar had doubled the 12 nm, and planted his seastead 25 nm out, he might have been safe. But safety has to do with keeping a low profile. Elwar was advertising. If Thailand hadn't bothered him, it might not have been long before some pirates would have checked him out just to see.

authoritarian, capitalism, socialism,communism.. they all would have the same 12 mile border

to word it another way
if elwar did have his vacation home(yea he never 'lived there' all the time) further out to sea to not cause overlap. he could the clearly proclaim his own boundary and make it a violation if others crossed his path. thus putting the shoe on the other foot

but yea it still wont be peace and harmony. because even parking a russian submarine 25 miles away from US borders would make trump crap his pants and want to do something like constantly survey the area.

also you would start to find elwar getting stopped and 'customs checked' every time he tries to come to shore to ensure he isnt bringing in anything illicit or taking out anything that could be used against thailand.

so normally better to get some kind of peace agreement sorted early on

Authoritarian assertion it seems

firstly, if you couldnt tell by my dumbing down of the language and also having to draw a picture to illustrate it.. then you obviously didnt tell i was dumbing it down and not trying to get legal/techo jargony
oh and your knit pick should have picked up on the fact that i dumbed down the description to be called 'inclusion zone' which also is not the legal/techno word for it
i wasnt trying to be jargon specific. i was just trying to illustrate a point so simply that even a dumb person can understand
point being build 25 not 12 thus not overlap and also a 1 buffer inbetween to avoid debate over whether lines get crossed

Wrong, first is 12 nautical miles not miles, second not every nation has the 12 NM territorial border. If you can only patrol some yards and deceit to have the territorial border at a few yards out then the total is 12NM and some yards.

the interview with the sea stead institutes joe quirk was don AFTER the legal trouble elwar got into. so lessons should have been learned. but instead Joe was still saying 'move 12 miles out to sea' (facepalm)

lesson: if you make a 'nation' 12 miles from a mainland. guess what your 'nations' 12 mile inclusion zone overlaps the mainlands 12mile inclusion zone

international /               \    international
__waters___|____o____|_____waters_                         
                   \ seastead /
mainland       \ waters /     mainland
waters                                     waters
                    mainland

solution: stop advising build at 12 miles offshore and instead advise 25miles (1m spare buffer to avoid questioning of over lap

It ain't really easy to move that far away, you'd have to be in international waters thousands of miles from land and you'd have to be self-sufficient to survive. That's why they usually make the seastads near other countries, but it always backfires like this Even if outside of their zone..