Topic: Thailand files complaint against Bitcoin Seasteader - page 3. (Read 1381 times)
It's time to move to sea. Elwar has showed us that the nations don't like the idea. But the oceans are large. We don't have to sit a mere 13 or 14 miles off the shore of some nation. There's lots of room out there.
This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.
I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US. I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.
That is a reasonable assumption. I would think that he would play it safe and not even log in again until he is though. If he is not in a safe place yet logging in or posting is probably not a good idea.
I don't think theymos is going to give up location/IP information about Elwar easily, and could put up somewhat of a public fight if a court tried to force him to do so. I agree that accessing social media is not a good idea when on the "run" from a government that wants to harm you.
This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.
I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US. I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.
That is a reasonable assumption. I would think that he would play it safe and not even log in again until he is though. If he is not in a safe place yet logging in or posting is probably not a good idea.
This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.
I think he probably posted that bump because CSW recently got the bitcoin white paper copyrighted in the US. I am not sure where he is now, but I presume he won’t give an update until he believes he is in a country that will not extradite him back to Thailand.
This is a good sign. I am curious why Elwar would post at all and not make some kind of statement.
For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".
just need signs at every point of entry thats says "Welcome to Thailand. We may kill you for any reason at any time. Enjoy your stay."
We should make that our profile pic on social media. Sooner or later people would come across it, do a Google search and then say "WTF was I thinking wanting to go to Thailand?!"
LOL, this is hilarious!
The BTC community should definitely keep on mentioning Thailand on social media. Like, make it a meme. Hit them where it hurts the most. Make tourists afraid of going there.
I'm bookmarking that image link.
For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".
just need signs at every point of entry thats says "Welcome to Thailand. We may kill you for any reason at any time. Enjoy your stay."
Some Airport runways are real close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTNj6IWey4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8y89DHMTs (St. Maarten, Caribbean)
and of course there is Gibraltar, most countries have boom-gates for trains not Gibraltar, you walk on the runway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8LEjK6UN4
The Thai military hoons also started to make life difficult for street food sellers who work extreme long hours just to earn some small change by chasing them away in Bangkok. Food vendors is on of the things giving it its flair. Personally want go anywhere near it, not even for stop-over.
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Barra International Airport, Scotland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqmbc8k9rU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTNj6IWey4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8y89DHMTs (St. Maarten, Caribbean)
and of course there is Gibraltar, most countries have boom-gates for trains not Gibraltar, you walk on the runway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8LEjK6UN4
The Thai military hoons also started to make life difficult for street food sellers who work extreme long hours just to earn some small change by chasing them away in Bangkok. Food vendors is on of the things giving it its flair. Personally want go anywhere near it, not even for stop-over.
Edit:
Barra International Airport, Scotland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqmbc8k9rU
For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".
just need signs at every point of entry thats says "Welcome to Thailand. We may kill you for any reason at any time. Enjoy your stay."
IMO we should boycott Thailand among our community until Elwar is free, and spread the word that American tourists risk the death penalty going there.
Thailand is going complete way-hay, not really surprising for a dictatorship.
Soon taking a selfie will get you a possible death sentence.
https://canoe.com/news/world/bikini-clad-selfie-taking-tourists-could-face-death-penalty-on-this-thai-beach
I understand that there could be a danger to the tourists as well since this is near an airport. I don't know how close it is to the runway. I believe I've seen vids of the Caribbean airport mentioned on the article and people really do get blasted by jet.
Still, the penalty is ridiculous. For a Buddhist country Thailand seem to be quite enthusiastic to slap the death penalty on various offenses. Maybe next time they'll explain it as "assisted reincarnation".
IMO we should boycott Thailand among our community until Elwar is free, and spread the word that American tourists risk the death penalty going there.
Thailand is going complete way-hay, not really surprising for a dictatorship.
Soon taking a selfie will get you a possible death sentence.
https://canoe.com/news/world/bikini-clad-selfie-taking-tourists-could-face-death-penalty-on-this-thai-beach
IMO we should boycott Thailand among our community until Elwar is free, and spread the word that American tourists risk the death penalty going there.
instead, they send warships. i can almost understand that actually, but the way they did it was over the top IMO.
Shows how weak they are if they feel the need to respond in such a disproportionately heavy-handed way. Kind of in a similar vein to how the smallest dogs bark the loudest.
he sent the message "I'm alive" very recently. which of course is good news.
Thanks goodness then. It's OK that he keep the details, he could still not be entirely safe.
I agree about how crazy Thailand's reaction is. Just showed that Thailand is still very much a royalty-sanctioned dictatorship. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/thailand-military-junta-election-king/585274/
Might not be a red flag for ordinary tourists but would definitely scare away certain types of investors, for example those engaging in crypto.
Hoping for good news on this..
he sent the message "I'm alive" very recently. which of course is good news.
obviously no other info as hes laying low till the situation clarifies.
he is resourceful and of course there is little more that can provide incentive to stay low than a possible death sentence.
Thailand has blown this way out of proportion. ok he did wrong according to Thai law. but this deserves special consideration as its (mostly) all new territory legally, and he genuinely has his heart in the right place. "threat to Thai sovereignty?" i think they vastly overestimate what this experiment was. and it was an experiment.. a prototype.
i think Thailand blew a great opportunity to come to the forefront in an emerging tech that could of provided much world recognition of a new technology and that could of boosted Thai tourism, all they needed to do is say "look, this is cool but heres the deal: you need to realize there are limitations to what you can do 13 miles out, and we would be happy to clarify and assist in this."
instead, they send warships. i can almost understand that actually, but the way they did it was over the top IMO.
Elwar, if youre reading this know we are all rooting for you. you and Supranee stay safe. if you can and its safe we would love updates.
your story, if/when you choose to tell us, will be most informative and of course nail biting.
we all owe you and people like you for the advances in tech like this that can only help the human race. sooner or later we have to expand to the sea, and you and people like you are leading the way. few people can say that.
much respect and i mean that sincerely.
STAY FREE
Hoping for good news on this..
Consider. There are boats and ships that people live on all over the world. So, why would they pick on Elwar? It was for something else, other than simply living on a glorified "boat" near their mainland. It might have been that he advertised ideas they didn't want the world to hear. Or he might have had a legal problem with them that we are not aware of; the news said he had a visa with them that got revoked.
There's more to this than we are being told.
There's more to this than we are being told.
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I am not sure if you are aware, but Elwar was located in international waters that no country has claim to.
Thai authorities say that it's their economic zone where they are allowed to fish and such. It's strange that no country is against Thailand performing military operations in international waters. They sent a warship to dismantle the seastead and move it within its borders, so they stole a property that neighboring countries like Malaysia could have equal claims to, but obviously nobody cares.
It's not that nobody cares, it's the contrary. All countries support Thailand. All countries would have reacted exactly the same way, and Elwar was naive to think he was safe being just behind the 12 miles limit. Try to build a seastead 13 miles off the coast of Florida, you'll get Marines assaulting you within days.
At very basic get facts straight. 12 NM is 13.80936 Miles, 22.22401km the US does have a 24 NM Contiguous zone.
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Territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,[1] is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it, or transit passage for straits; this sovereignty also extends to the airspace over and seabed below. Adjustment of these boundaries is called, in international law, maritime delimitation.
A state's territorial sea extends up to 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from its baseline. If this would overlap with another state's territorial sea, the border is taken as the median point between the states' baselines, unless the states in question agree otherwise. A state can also choose to claim a smaller territorial sea.
Conflicts have occurred whenever a coastal nation claims an entire gulf as its territorial waters while other nations only recognize the more restrictive definitions of the UN convention. Claims which draw baseline in excess of 24 nautical miles (two 12 NM limits) are judged excessive by the U.S. Two conflicts occurred in the Gulf of Sidra where Libya drew a line in excess of 230 NM and claimed the entire enclosed gulf as its territorial waters. The U.S. exercised freedom of navigation rights twice, in the 1981 and 1989 Gulf of Sidra incidents.
In the U.S. federal system, individual states exercise ownership (subject to federal law) up to 3 nautical miles (9 nautical miles for Texas and Florida) from shore, while the federal government exercises sole territorial jurisdiction further out (see Tidelands).
A state's territorial sea extends up to 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from its baseline. If this would overlap with another state's territorial sea, the border is taken as the median point between the states' baselines, unless the states in question agree otherwise. A state can also choose to claim a smaller territorial sea.
Conflicts have occurred whenever a coastal nation claims an entire gulf as its territorial waters while other nations only recognize the more restrictive definitions of the UN convention. Claims which draw baseline in excess of 24 nautical miles (two 12 NM limits) are judged excessive by the U.S. Two conflicts occurred in the Gulf of Sidra where Libya drew a line in excess of 230 NM and claimed the entire enclosed gulf as its territorial waters. The U.S. exercised freedom of navigation rights twice, in the 1981 and 1989 Gulf of Sidra incidents.
In the U.S. federal system, individual states exercise ownership (subject to federal law) up to 3 nautical miles (9 nautical miles for Texas and Florida) from shore, while the federal government exercises sole territorial jurisdiction further out (see Tidelands).
Guys with guns (military dictatorship) not operating within law, knowing or obeying it, what a surprise. Full support of Kim, no way, really, shit who would have thought. Elwar is certainly wrong in entering and exiting without immigration formalities, crossing the 12 NM line.
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