In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3661143
Topic: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll - page 30. (Read 85034 times)
I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.
In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!
I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.
To be fair, I want an answer today. No excuses. The last few days have been worryingly quiet.
I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.
I can see two possibilities.
1) Either Ukyo is working on a real solution involving automatic payment processing and he hopes to finish this within a few days. Then it is not really important to constantly entertain people here because they will be happy soon anyway.
2) There are no available funds, he doesn't care any more, etc. and in this case we can forget the whole thing.
If there is no news within a couple of days, I am afraid that 2) is the case...
Add me to the list.
Code:
Date 2013-11-15 14:23:45
Transaction ID L4svMxzqWkmf2re9eux5Z0fNky9UksE2
Type Withdraw
Debit 10.92132404 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
WeExchange Ticket ID: OLZ-766451
Ticket opened: 2013-11-15 14:47:49
Transaction ID L4svMxzqWkmf2re9eux5Z0fNky9UksE2
Type Withdraw
Debit 10.92132404 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
WeExchange Ticket ID: OLZ-766451
Ticket opened: 2013-11-15 14:47:49
I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.
In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!
I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.
maybe you can advice the people to take screenshots? I did it already!
I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.
Please keep us posted. Thanks
I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.
In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!
I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.
To be fair, I want an answer today. No excuses. The last few days have been worryingly quiet.
I did get an overnight message so am now waiting for him to come online.
I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.
In a sense I agree with you ut look at the list. Some people don't give usernames and the others don't give IDs. It really does not matter to be specific because unless you have a copy of the database you cannot prove the existence of these records and if Ukyo responses and shows the will to fix this I am literally going to kill him if he claims that he needs my list because he lost the DB!
I believe we just have to record as much as we can to show the people the magnitude of the risk.
This is my contribution to the list of funds that got stuck in WeEx. My WeEx id is moribana
but I do not know how to get my identifier.
2013-11-05 11:25:45 Withdraw 1.03083250 BTC Processing
This is the ticket number: PPV-803293 and the ticket was opened immediately after the failed withdrawal.
but I do not know how to get my identifier.
2013-11-05 11:25:45 Withdraw 1.03083250 BTC Processing
This is the ticket number: PPV-803293 and the ticket was opened immediately after the failed withdrawal.
Date 2013-11-06 02:07:38
Transaction ID XcNu0h2JTZwb9KhSj1vRZec8vMfzTmnp
Type Withdraw
Debit 0.31331000 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
Transaction ID XcNu0h2JTZwb9KhSj1vRZec8vMfzTmnp
Type Withdraw
Debit 0.31331000 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
Here's my small withdrawal to add to the list:
Withdrawal:
Date 2013-11-14 13:13:25
Transaction ID NI9H03JcgvKhX5Hb3FMyLZV6M199eLEf
Type Withdraw
Debit 0.83141006 BTC
Opened a Ticket on WeExchange Too:
2013-11-18 20:23:57
Ticket ID LRS-632645
Admittedly this is not many BitCoins compared to the rest of you, but it means a lot of money to me, and money owed is still money owed no matter the volume.
I'm hoping Ukyo can get this together and resolve the issues - or at least give someone else access to the servers / system to help and then they can post regular updates of the withdrawal statuses and free up Ukyo to do the work etc..
Withdrawal:
Date 2013-11-14 13:13:25
Transaction ID NI9H03JcgvKhX5Hb3FMyLZV6M199eLEf
Type Withdraw
Debit 0.83141006 BTC
Opened a Ticket on WeExchange Too:
2013-11-18 20:23:57
Ticket ID LRS-632645
Admittedly this is not many BitCoins compared to the rest of you, but it means a lot of money to me, and money owed is still money owed no matter the volume.
I'm hoping Ukyo can get this together and resolve the issues - or at least give someone else access to the servers / system to help and then they can post regular updates of the withdrawal statuses and free up Ukyo to do the work etc..
I'm also not posting my exact information here but I will say I have two transactions on different accounts, one for 75ish and one for 1.2 btc. My next ticket is 8am 28th October.
Op: please change your post so it states that you -must- raise a ticket and it's this date that's important. It is not automatic so people's transfer dates are not the required date, the ticket date is. This must be made clear so that we can see if it's being handled as stated. Listing the withdrawal dates is totally confusing things.
I've spoken to UKYO several times and he was trying to sort a system to show withdrawals to a third party. He did manage this once. The last meaningful post here was about trying to address this problem properly. He was on irc briefly a couple of days ago.
As far as I know he is just trying to solve the problem once and for all and keeping his head down due to the stress. However, if this is the case he needs to post daily updates about withdrawals and state progress, or provide a code progress report. Until the last few days there had been people posting about successful withdrawals and he had been here most days.
Op: please change your post so it states that you -must- raise a ticket and it's this date that's important. It is not automatic so people's transfer dates are not the required date, the ticket date is. This must be made clear so that we can see if it's being handled as stated. Listing the withdrawal dates is totally confusing things.
I've spoken to UKYO several times and he was trying to sort a system to show withdrawals to a third party. He did manage this once. The last meaningful post here was about trying to address this problem properly. He was on irc briefly a couple of days ago.
As far as I know he is just trying to solve the problem once and for all and keeping his head down due to the stress. However, if this is the case he needs to post daily updates about withdrawals and state progress, or provide a code progress report. Until the last few days there had been people posting about successful withdrawals and he had been here most days.
I choose to refrain from posting any of my transaction id info on here.
1: This behavior mimics pestering, which in my experience makes the pestered feel more anxious and frustrated.
2: It will not provide a quicker solution
3: I have faith it will be rectified
I do have a fairly large sum stuck and can sympathize with everyone's situation.
As previously stated, it would be nice to have something...any kind of regular updates to put others, and my own mind at ease.
Now that I've said that, I cannot guarantee I will feel the same way if this persists.
1: This behavior mimics pestering, which in my experience makes the pestered feel more anxious and frustrated.
2: It will not provide a quicker solution
3: I have faith it will be rectified
I do have a fairly large sum stuck and can sympathize with everyone's situation.
As previously stated, it would be nice to have something...any kind of regular updates to put others, and my own mind at ease.
Now that I've said that, I cannot guarantee I will feel the same way if this persists.
Yeah. I have the same. Processing, Processing, Processing....
BUT: There was one Transaction with a very small amount 2 weeks or something Processing und 3-4 days ago: Completed!
So, at least there is hope...
My Opinion: After Bitfunder closed, - WeExchange had a lot of trouble with beeing the only one Partner for Instant Exchange to BF.
BUT: There was one Transaction with a very small amount 2 weeks or something Processing und 3-4 days ago: Completed!
So, at least there is hope...
My Opinion: After Bitfunder closed, - WeExchange had a lot of trouble with beeing the only one Partner for Instant Exchange to BF.
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And the fact that your demand is for a signed message from an address with the coin shows that you clearly have no grasp of this problem, and are in no position to be making a scam accusation. He can't sign from an address with the coin because no single address has the coin. If a single address did have the coin, bitcoind wouldn't be choking. Bitcoin is choking because the coin has been fractioned out over thousands(or tens of thousands) of addresses. Sure, if you want, I'm sure he could spend a week generating the 10,000 signatures necessary to account for all the coin. And you could spend a week verifying all of those. But I think everyone else here would rather he just continue working on the problem at hand.
Ok tell me if I got this wrong, Every single Bitcoin is identical to the other Bitcoin, to the satoshi level they are all equal.
If I did not get that wrong may I ask why did you assume I wanted him to sign these exact Bitcoins?
The signature would just prove that "yes I am Ukyo and I can cover this amount and here is the proof", This would break the arguments of not having enough funds.
I'm sorry, which of the 10,000 containing addresses did you want him to sign from? Please specify which one and I'm sure I could get him to sign that one. But you only requested one signature, so you only get one.
aaaaaah god.... OK I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT CLEARER.
If I meet Ukyo now on the street and I say "Hey Ukyo my man, where da ppl moooneee?". And he show me his phone with mycelium wallet with 3k BTC in it or a suitcase he is carrying with $3m and say "Don worry I got it covered dude!",
THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH PROOF OF FUNDS.
if he still don't get it come on people please explain it to him programmers are hard to explain stuff to, I am sorry "Experienced software engineers"
Interesting. I've had nothing but good dealings with Graet.
I hope Great can explain what happen with UKYO ,they must know each other.....
Interesting. I've had nothing but good dealings with Graet.
What is Graet's take on all of this? He is the director, isn't he? He should be able to tell us what is going on or how to contact Ukyo.
From the WeExchange thread:
Best wishes,
Graeme Tee
Director
WeExchange Australia, Pty. Ltd.
ACN: 152 308 239
ABN: 30 152 308 239
His Facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/graeme.tee.9
From the WeExchange thread:
Best wishes,
Graeme Tee
Director
WeExchange Australia, Pty. Ltd.
ACN: 152 308 239
ABN: 30 152 308 239
His Facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/graeme.tee.9
Date 2013-11-17 08:08:27
Transaction ID 8s13gblVYJOJe4mTVB8ZrRLW7WqIFVr9
Type Withdraw
Debit 1.07437170 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
Transaction ID 8s13gblVYJOJe4mTVB8ZrRLW7WqIFVr9
Type Withdraw
Debit 1.07437170 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing
How is it that he can't just sit down import his private key to a new wallet and send us our moneys one by one already? Is he on vacation in North Korea or something?
It is unfortunate that with bitcoins one really has no excuse.
It is unfortunate that with bitcoins one really has no excuse.
Because there's 1000-10,000 private keys.
Which pywallet can export in about 10 seconds and can be imported into a new wallet in maybe a few minutes tops.
True but this isn't a months worth of work. A simple solution would be export all private keys. Import 5,000 keys into new wallet. Send all funds to a single address in a third wallet. Repeat with another batch. Eventually you end up with all coins in a single address with a few very high value outputs.
My larger point was the explanation for the delay doesn't make much sense. So either there is something much more complex going on or it is non-technical bad (coins lost, coins stolen, coins lost in speculation by operator, coins taken by operator).
Don't tell me, I'm not working on the problem. Tell Ukyo. Your solution may very well work, I don't know. I don't know why Ukyo didn't think of it, and I don't know that I personally would have thought of it in Ukyo's shoes. I didn't know about pywallet, and I expect there are a great many subsets and facets about Bitcoin that Ukyo(or most site operators today) do not know about.
I also don't know that there isn't some hidden flaw or danger in that approach that would prevent it from working(and wouldn't until I tried).
All, let's try to keep this thread focused on the original topic. Some people may disagree with the thread and post their disagreement. Please do not give them the time from your day by posting back.
Let's just track the debts, spread the word and for the time being hope some progress is made toward a resolution.
KrimsonKla
Let's just track the debts, spread the word and for the time being hope some progress is made toward a resolution.
KrimsonKla
This thread wasn't created to track debts. It is in the scam accusations board and it is a scam accusation.
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