Topic: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 - page 12. (Read 57572 times)

It's far more likely that a QB taken first over all will be a bust, but it's hard to say exactly why.  Interestingly enough, Trevor Lawrence is the only QB taken in the first round of 2021 draft who hasn't been traded away by the team that drafted him, and by all metrics he has been the most successful of any of the other QBs taken in the first round of that draft.  And I'm not saying he's seen a lot of success, but the bar is rather low for QBs from that draft class.

There are very few exceptions, and again, it's hard to say why.  Arron Rodgers was the second QB taken in the 2005 draft, but he fell all the way to the 24th position after everybody fully expected the 9ers to take him first overall.  Why was he so successful while Alex Smith struggled?  The 9ers coach at the time, Mike Nolan was probably the worst coach we've ever had.  He thrust Smith into the starting roll his first year, but it's not like he had any better options.  Conversely, Rodgers held a clipboard for Favre his first two years in the league.

Certainly having time to learn the NFL behind a legend like Favre had to contribute to Rodgers' success, but that can't be all there is to it.  The Packers had a great coaching staff, they weren't a bad team at all, and that alone will attract other talent in the free agency market.  He was given every opportunity to succeed.  And my gut tells me that if he had been taken by the 9ers he would not have had the same opportunities that Green Bay gave him, and probably less success.

It's hard to say why one highly-drafted QB has success while another languishes.  And maybe it's no more of a gamble to draft a QB first overall than any other position, it's just that the QB garners so much attention, and therefor, hype.  If a linebacker who's drafted high in the first round ends up being a flop, it's usually only the local press that make a big deal about it.  The national press tends to be indifferent about positions that aren't quarterback.  Maybe that's why teams still continue to draft QBs in the first round.  Otherwise, it seems like the definition of insanity.

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ETA:  Was Brandon Aubrey mic'd up to the Vegas bosses last night?

https://twitter.com/gavinmchughh/status/1839518840817955035

I always say being a round 1 and pick 1 is a detrimental to a quarterback.  There is just too much pressure and expectations.  People rightfully so will say bit it's the pros, still we have seen time amd time again when ypu aren't pressured to win it'such easier.  Like this year.  Jayden Daniel's should be amped because as long as he plays as good as Caleb he will be seen as a success.  Caleb has to win crazy stuff before he is considered a success.

Yeah it ended up not being the most exciting game ever.  Nabers is pretty damn fun to watch and he's had a really nice start to the season already (which I can't believe we are already 4 week in to, or going in to the 4th week).  I didn't have a whole lot of action on the game outside of Furgeson and while he's clearly the number two pass catcher on the team, its not always equating to bit game for me.  Still love the guy going forward though.

Seems like a lot of overhyped #1 picks the last 20+ years, least at the QB spot. I'm not ready to call Caleb a bust yet, but IMO Trevor Lawrence, Bryce Young, Jameis Winston, Sam Bradford, and JaMarcus Russel have all been busts. Some might even say Baker Mayfield, Cam Newton, and Kyler Murray are in this category as well, but IMO they all have shown they have a little something and deserved to be in the league at least for a few years.

They are gods in college and just don't adapt to the speed of the NFL or the pressure.

It's likely going to be really bad.  But at least nabers is fun to watch.  Giants I think gave up 90 points to the Cowboys in 2 games or something last year.  I expect a bit of the same especially how the Cowboys started the year.  The giants d backs are gonna get cooked by CeeDee.  Don't know the props but whatever it is I'm taking the over on receptions and yards for him.  Wouldn't be shocked with a 10 rec and 150 yard game if not more.

lol, he sure does have some beautiful hair doesn't he.  I like to call him Sunny ( from the movie Remember the Titans, fyi if anyone reading this hasn't ever seen Remember the Titans, add that to the top of your watch list). 

Maybe he was a bit over-hyped.  It's tough to know which player are going to pan out and which ones aren't. 


Cowboys Giants for Thursday night football.  Not the best game ever, but I could think of worse ones.

Only from a hair perspective, but still, more Jeff Spicolli than Jesus.


If he had better coaches he'd have a better supporting staff.  No QB can get it done alone.

Doug Pederson sucks, Urban Meyer sucks, and Trevor Lawrence is the second coming of Jesus. Lol

Bro is overhyped/overpaid, leads all quarterbacks in giveaways since he was drafted, and is on his second eight-game losing streak in his brief career. He has one lucky playoff win to his name thanks to the Chargers' epic meltdown. Hell, Danny Dimes has better stats than this dude...

I have no idea why people/the media are giving him a pass for how awful he has been, it has nothing to do with coaches.

Well, last year when you and I faced each other we were both undefeated.  This week we face each other with the zeros in the other column, lol.  One of us will come out of it with a win streak or 1.


The Bills are legit, and the Jags are the shits.  I know it wasn't going to be close, but I didn't expect that either.


Doug Pederson is probably the worst coach in the league.  He got lucky as hell his first year in Philly.  He inherited a decent team, and drove them into mediocrity.  I still feel sorry for Trever Laurence.  The kid has so much potential, but to get drafted by the worst team with the worst head coach was a horrible outcome for him.  The curse of being selected first overall.

Doug Pederson is in trouble, but I am not so sure about Zac Taylor, I mean the Bengals kept Marvin Lewis as a HC for 16 seasons, then the Bengals owner has a recent story of accepting mediocre coaching for a long time.

Doug Pederson is in trouble and I also think Zac Taylor for the Bengals is on the hot seat. Washington looked pretty good the whole game last night, Jayden was a great leader for his team and he is the best looking rookie QB of the draft so far.

Jacksonville is fucked, I think a coaching change is incoming.

I switched to the Bengals/Washington at halftime and was surprised at how good Washington looked!

Higgins has a ton of rust.

LMAO fun isn't it. That was me last year I think. Finally pulled off my 1st win of this year last night, hoping to get a streak going now.

What did everyone think about that Buffalo blow out last night? I expected that to be a game, but it was over by halftime.

I've been in the Biggest Blowout of the Week  EVERY week so far this season!!!

My team must be the best!

I've been watching this.  I saw his first couple episodes pop up on YouTube a few weeks ago when I was browsing through it.  I of course don't like or respect any of the "shady" type things he did that got him kicked out of the NFL/coaching gig..but the man really knows football and had a great love and passion for it.  He's fun to watch for sure.

Well another week another win for me.  If only I had CMC.  I've got a pretty deep team, but it might be hard to start picking which guys to play.  Regardless, been a fun season so far ya'll!

GRUDEN has a channel!


   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCpeQ3jFbo

lol.  I hope he's back next week.  I own him in one of my bigger leagues and he's been killing it.  W/Deebo and CMC out, he becomes such a huge piece for that offense.


@DirewolfM14  I hope that I was able to talk you out of making that bet lol.  The lions, as much as I just absolutely loathe admitting it, are damn good.  That backfield most of all.  Montgomery and Gibs are just a shit ton for any team to handle.



So it's only been 3 weeks of football but I'm going to call it right now, best teams and most likely to win a championship ...Chicago Bears

He is just mad that he was one of the few players that loved Concord and now he needs to pay 700 dollars for a PS5 Pro so PS can recoup its losses.