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I think we should just refer to him as "Covid Cam", sorta like Typhoid Mary. Smiley

I strongly speculate Covid Cam’s irresponsibility have Bill Belichik talking to his men and will either declare Mac Jones play as the first quarterback after 4 weeks or trade for the best available quarterback. Massage Watson, Jimmy G? Who is available?

Also, the spread for week 1 are only -3 for Greenbay and only -6 for the Chiefs?
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Lol, it's still a contentious issue 30 years later, many are still salty about the subject.  One of my coworkers, who's a die-hard 9ers fan wore his KC 16 Jersey to work the week before super bowl 54.

Oh fuck! thats Harsh, good thing it was the 49ers and not the raiders! Cheesy

Week 3 of preseason kicks today with 4 games, i'm still undecided on what i'll be watching, i will probably check each game and see who is playing and who is not...meh, not ideal.

Yeah pretty shitty selection, went from colts while I was rebuilding the bikes carbs to the KC game just in time to catch the Mahomes to hill TD.
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Week 3 of preseason kicks today with 4 games, i'm still undecided on what i'll be watching, i will probably check each game and see who is playing and who is not...meh, not ideal.

Steelers will not have any of their starters against Carolina is what i heard, whereas Darnold and a few of Panthers' starters will see at least a quarter of the field.

The only reasonable selection here is to back the home team, hence CAR ml.  The line opened at CAR +4 and is currently CAR -3.5, which appears to be a strong indicator of who the oddsmakers think will win.
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Now they have to face the Seahawks and the Packers along with the Saints.
Its very possible the saints are going to suck this year.

Maybe.  Sean Payton was successful with Teddy Bridgewater, and he seems to have faith in Taysom Hill even if Jameis Winston doesn't pan out.  They're definitely not the same team without Brees.

BTW this happened with the 49ers when Young replaced Montana and the fans were not happy at all about this until Young could bring win a SB, and even then during that season Montana and Young faced each other and a great deal of 49ers fans were cheering for Montana over Young and the 49ers.

Lol, it's still a contentious issue 30 years later, many are still salty about the subject.  One of my coworkers, who's a die-hard 9ers fan wore his KC 16 Jersey to work the week before super bowl 54.
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Is Cam Newton unvaccinated? It appears then that this has made Bill Belichick’s decision much easier hehe. I predict that we might see Cam Newton play on week 1, lose that game and Belichick will decide to let Mac Jones play week 2.
As Hueristic mentioned a few pages ago, if there is a change at the starting QB position it will happen after the week 4 which is the game against Tampa Bay, while not talked about much the mentality of the players is critical especially when they are just starting their careers, so if I was Belichick there is no way in hell I will throw Jones against that defense and against Brady, this is why despite my dislike for Cam I am not so against his tenure as he can be the successor of Brady, fail and then we get another QB that does not have to carry that load on his shoulders.

BTW this happened with the 49ers when Young replaced Montana and the fans were not happy at all about this until Young could bring win a SB, and even then during that season Montana and Young faced each other and a great deal of 49ers fans were cheering for Montana over Young and the 49ers.
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Now they have to face the Seahawks and the Packers along with the Saints.

Its very possible the saints are going to suck this year.
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And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different.  Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight.  Giants still gonna win it.

If I were to bet on the NFC East, I would pick the Giants.  But I always pick the Giants to win the conference (because I hate the cowboys,) and of course I'm often wrong.  WFT kinda shot themselves in the foot by winning the conference last year.  By doing so they added two tough games to their schedule.  Now they have to face the Seahawks and the Packers along with the Saints.

The Cowboys have Dak back, and Dak is far better than anything ya'll got over in New York.  The cowboys have some solid wide receivers, running backs etc.  Defense may be a bit suspect, but still.

Lol, a bit suspect?  Dak is actually a good QB, I'll give him that, but he won't line up as a linebacker, lol.  Dallas often has a great offense, at least they're productive in yards and points.  The only trouble is they're always playing catch-up.  I still think the Giants take the East, but I'm not willing to bet on that.  Tongue

I think WFT has a better chance than Dallas, honestly.


They aren't going to trade anything for a 1 year Jimmy rental though, San Fran will want to much.  And any multi-year deal kind of kills the whole point of drafting Mac 1st by burying him as the 3rd qb.  There's teams that will want Jimmy, Denver might be a good landing spot.  Or Carolina if Sam Darnold starts out terrible.

You never know.  Garoppolo would fit the Pats offense a lot better than Newton, and if Belichick want's Mac on the bench for a couple of years I could see him trying to make the deal.  I agree that the 9ers will want a hefty sum to recoup some of the draft stock they gave up to get Trey, so that might be the deciding factor.
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I think Darrell Henderson just got screwed with Sony Michel Trade.  I was planning on grabbing both, thought Michel wouldn't get traded until 6th week but this threw a wrench in a few of my value players I was gonna try to snipe.

This backfield was giving me some anxiety before Cam Akers went down but it doesn't as much anymore even with Sony Michel being picked up.  I still think the job is going to be Henderson's and lets face facts here too..Sony Michel is not good.  There is a reason the Pats were willing to trade him away.  Just my 2.

This will be interesting to see pan out. If I was in a league that was drafting right now I would grab him as a flyer but either way its a gamble with high payoff potential if henderson goes down. It should be fun to see how this pans out.
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I think Darrell Henderson just got screwed with Sony Michel Trade.  I was planning on grabbing both, thought Michel wouldn't get traded until 6th week but this threw a wrench in a few of my value players I was gonna try to snipe.

This backfield was giving me some anxiety before Cam Akers went down but it doesn't as much anymore even with Sony Michel being picked up.  I still think the job is going to be Henderson's and lets face facts here too..Sony Michel is not good.  There is a reason the Pats were willing to trade him away.  Just my 2.


I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different.  Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight.  Giants still gonna win it.  And Jan 2nd is a lock for the giants.  Will be the ff superbowl week too.  Might just need to take Danny dimes with my first pick in the draft! Lol

Lol you are off your rocker Sir Wheelz.  There is not a chance in hell that the Giants will finish in first place in that division.  The Cowboys have Dak back, and Dak is far better than anything ya'll got over in New York.  The cowboys have some solid wide receivers, running backs etc.  Defense may be a bit suspect, but still.  I also thing the WFT will be very solid..as you said their D is legit but so should be their offense. Fitzmagic is solid, their running back Gibson is a stud, some good WRs etc.  I am willing to make a side bet with you if you'd like sir?? Smiley

Don't threaten me with a good time.  Throw me some odds and I'm down.  If you want to be the house I will give you a bit of an edge against the current odds.  Straight up it makes no sense on my part will just pile on at current odds with the book.  Now if you want to bet straight up on the January 2nd game, I'm down.  Let's bet on the toilet bowl!

And Dallas always has a great offense yet they don't do squat year in and year out.  Dak is over rated.  He had probably the best o line in the league one year.  Look at what zeke did second half of last year with a crap line.  Nadda.  We both know rbs and qbs can be drastically change with line play.

How do we make that bet, I have to give you like a win or two or something?  I am certainly up for making it though of course. I also agree with Dak, he is a bit overrated but still, it's not like he sucks.
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I think we should just refer to him as "Covid Cam", sorta like Typhoid Mary. Smiley
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Is Cam Newton unvaccinated? It appears then that this has made Bill Belichick’s decision much easier hehe. I predict that we might see Cam Newton play on week 1, lose that game and Belichick will decide to let Mac Jones play week 2.

@wheelz1200. Who has the higher chance to take the Patriots to the playoffs? Cam Newton or Mac Jones?



New England Patriots QB Cam Newton returned to practice Thursday after sitting out the NFL's five-day entry cadence under COVID-19 protocols, giving him three days to prepare for the club's preseason finale on Sunday against the New York Giants.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has had little to say on Newton's situation, instead standing on a statement the club released that explained the quarterback's absence as a "misunderstanding" of the league's protocols regarding COVID-19 testing done away from team facilities. Only unvaccinated players are subject to the five-day re-entry policy.
"He didn't go against team rules," Belichick said of Newton, per NFL Network's Mike Giardi, adding, "All the QBs will get work today."

Belichick has been mum about who will start between Newton and rookie Mac Jones, who has been impressive in training camp, and reiterated Thursday he doesn't have a timetable for naming a Week 1 starter. He did acknowledge Tuesday, however, that Jones had a big opportunity in Newton's absence. He apparently took advantage of it in joint practices with the Giants, while Newton's contact with the Patriots for five days was relegated to virtual participation in meetings.


Source https://www.nfl.com/news/cam-newton-back-at-patriots-practice-after-five-day-absence-mac-jones
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Since it's already draft snz, i have a quick hypothetical question. How would you treat unvaccinated players (that you know of) in this year's drafts? Are you willing to pass on a player just because he is not vaccinated and hence poses a higher risk of contracting rona and thus missing time/messing up with your team?



All things being equal I'd definitely grab the vaxxed player but I don't think not being vaxxed is enough of a detriment to move them down on my list. But if I already don't really like them then thats just added risk and I'd grab an alternative thats rated lower in lieu.


ngl he was also on my radar, i wonder if Henderson's thumb injury (they say it's nothing serious) has anything to do with the trade or the Rams just adding depth to their RB position?

It looks like depth to me but now we might have a fight for starting position or a timeshare.
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I think Darrell Henderson just got screwed with Sony Michel Trade.  I was planning on grabbing both, thought Michel wouldn't get traded until 6th week but this threw a wrench in a few of my value players I was gonna try to snipe.

ngl he was also on my radar, i wonder if Henderson's thumb injury (they say it's nothing serious) has anything to do with the trade or the Rams just adding depth to their RB position?

Since it's already draft snz, i have a quick hypothetical question. How would you treat unvaccinated players (that you know of) in this year's drafts? Are you willing to pass on a player just because he is not vaccinated and hence poses a higher risk of contracting rona and thus missing time/messing up with your team?

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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

However, if Bill Belichick had the choice of only Cam Newton, Mac Jones or get Jimmy Garoppolo, who among these quarterbacks could be the most possible to bring the Patriots to the playoffs? Certainly this would be the return of Jimmy Garoppolo, I reckon.

They aren't going to trade anything for a 1 year Jimmy rental though, San Fran will want to much.  And any multi-year deal kind of kills the whole point of drafting Mac 1st by burying him as the 3rd qb.  There's teams that will want Jimmy, Denver might be a good landing spot.  Or Carolina if Sam Darnold starts out terrible.
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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different.  Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight.  Giants still gonna win it.  And Jan 2nd is a lock for the giants.  Will be the ff superbowl week too.  Might just need to take Danny dimes with my first pick in the draft! Lol

Lol you are off your rocker Sir Wheelz.  There is not a chance in hell that the Giants will finish in first place in that division.  The Cowboys have Dak back, and Dak is far better than anything ya'll got over in New York.  The cowboys have some solid wide receivers, running backs etc.  Defense may be a bit suspect, but still.  I also thing the WFT will be very solid..as you said their D is legit but so should be their offense. Fitzmagic is solid, their running back Gibson is a stud, some good WRs etc.  I am willing to make a side bet with you if you'd like sir?? Smiley

Don't threaten me with a good time.  Throw me some odds and I'm down.  If you want to be the house I will give you a bit of an edge against the current odds.  Straight up it makes no sense on my part will just pile on at current odds with the book.  Now if you want to bet straight up on the January 2nd game, I'm down.  Let's bet on the toilet bowl!

And Dallas always has a great offense yet they don't do squat year in and year out.  Dak is over rated.  He had probably the best o line in the league one year.  Look at what zeke did second half of last year with a crap line.  Nadda.  We both know rbs and qbs can be drastically change with line play.
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Interesting thoughts lately, been reading but no time to sit down and comment.

I think Darrell Henderson just got screwed with Sony Michel Trade.  I was planning on grabbing both, thought Michel wouldn't get traded until 6th week but this threw a wrench in a few of my value players I was gonna try to snipe.

Well back to research when I get the time! Smiley

TLDW (too long didn't write):
No Giants won't win division and no Pats will never get Garrapoloo again! Cheesy
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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different.  Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight.  Giants still gonna win it.  And Jan 2nd is a lock for the giants.  Will be the ff superbowl week too.  Might just need to take Danny dimes with my first pick in the draft! Lol

Lol you are off your rocker Sir Wheelz.  There is not a chance in hell that the Giants will finish in first place in that division.  The Cowboys have Dak back, and Dak is far better than anything ya'll got over in New York.  The cowboys have some solid wide receivers, running backs etc.  Defense may be a bit suspect, but still.  I also thing the WFT will be very solid..as you said their D is legit but so should be their offense. Fitzmagic is solid, their running back Gibson is a stud, some good WRs etc.  I am willing to make a side bet with you if you'd like sir?? Smiley
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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

However, if Bill Belichick had the choice of only Cam Newton, Mac Jones or get Jimmy Garoppolo, who among these quarterbacks could be the most possible to bring the Patriots to the playoffs? Certainly this would be the return of Jimmy Garoppolo, I reckon.
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Yeah I am not sure I see the Patriots making the playoffs this year ( just as I didn't last year and even made a few bucks off of my buddy who thought Hoodie would lead them to the playoffs without Brady).  I personally just don't think Belichick is as good of a coach as Tom Brady has made him look for the past two decades. He struggles to draft good offense and does stupid stuff like giving the Falcons a second rounder for mohamed sanu the other year.  I'm not saying he's not great, because he is, I just don't think he's as great as people give him credit for.
The chances the Patriots makes the playoffs are low, the AFC East is the Bills division for the foreseeable future, the Jets will be better with Wilson, they will not make the playoffs this year but now they have the potential to be on the race if they can draft correctly during the next years, I know that is a big if since we are talking about the Jets but it is a possibility, and the Dolphins will depend on how year 2 Tua looks like, if anything I am glad they picked Tua and not Herbert as I would despise the idea of facing that dude twice for at least a decade.
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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh.  We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol.  Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.  

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there.  Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade.  Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.  

And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different.  Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight.  Giants still gonna win it.  And Jan 2nd is a lock for the giants.  Will be the ff superbowl week too.  Might just need to take Danny dimes with my first pick in the draft! Lol
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