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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 31, 2021, 12:31:43 PM

Have you guys had your draft yet? I have my drafts coming up this week on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday. Just curious if you guys have had it, how it went and kinda curious to see what you guy's teams look like. Also I'd like to ask what guys you all like sleeper wise, dudes who are over-ranked and those who have a lot of value as to where they are being drafted. Obviously may not be a good idea to discuss this until your draft is over Cheesy

Not yet we are going this Friday. And as far as having cam cut nothing worse than having a rookie starting qb and having someone like a disgruntled ex star to fiddle with the locker room. I don't mind the cut. They weren't going to get anything for cam anyway, they know the Pats were on the ledge with him. Cam might have seen his day, playing for bottom teams or backing up a starter on a contending team. Not much room in the NFL for error.

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Have you guys had your draft yet? I have my drafts coming up this week on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday. Just curious if you guys have had it, how it went and kinda curious to see what you guy's teams look like. Also I'd like to ask what guys you all like sleeper wise, dudes who are over-ranked and those who have a lot of value as to where they are being drafted. Obviously may not be a good idea to discuss this until your draft is over Cheesy

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 31, 2021, 11:00:56 AM

Wow I have to say I am a bit shocked by the news of the Patriots releasing Cam. I did not expect that to happen. I figured they'd at least give Cam the nod to start and if he struggled they could easily just put in the rookie. I personally think this is kind of crazy that they didn't at least keep him for a bit to let the rookie learn/grow or use him as a back up in case they needed to bring him in for whatever reason. Personally I just don't think this was a smart move.

Holy macaroni, that's a surprising move for Belichick. It was pretty obvious that Jones played better during the preseason, but that doesn't always translate to the regular season. I've never been a fan of Cam Newton, but I tend to agree that this was a bad move. I think Mac Jones has the potential to thrive in the Patriots system, he's built for that type of offense, but I also think he would have benefited from a slower approach.

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Wow I have to say I am a bit shocked by the news of the Patriots releasing Cam. I did not expect that to happen. I figured they'd at least give Cam the nod to start and if he struggled they could easily just put in the rookie. I personally think this is kind of crazy that they didn't at least keep him for a bit to let the rookie learn/grow or use him as a back up in case they needed to bring him in for whatever reason. Personally I just don't think this was a smart move.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 31, 2021, 10:27:26 AM

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut. Bill going all in on Mac Jones. He is the type of qb that Bill likes, cam didn't really fit the scheme but still aittle surprised. No way they trade for a qb now they are all in one. If they gave up draft capital for a backup after dropping cam that would be the dumbest thing they could do. Should be an interesting year with a bunch of the rookie qbs probably going to start. Could get 4 starting rookie qbs this year.

Covid Cam Cut has a ring to it.

Patriots super spreader event has hit the bricks.

I think he would have made it to game 4 if he had gotten vaxed.

The thing I don't see being mentioned is Hoyer is more than capable and has looked good not to mention he was in the patriot system previously.

Quote from: morvillz7z on August 31, 2021, 10:40:36 AM

Wouldn't it be better if they tried to trade him and get something in return, instead of just letting him go for nothing?

He's toxic no-one wants him.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 31, 2021, 10:27:26 AM

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut. <...>

Did they say why he is released?

Afaik, Cam hasn't revealed whether he's vaccinated or not, if you get a positive test for covid, you're going to miss at least 10 days, and close contact was five days or something like that. Belichick is obviously not playing around...if the reason is, of course, that he could miss time during the regular season.

Wouldn't it be better if they tried to trade him and get something in return, instead of just letting him go for nothing?

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut. Bill going all in on Mac Jones. He is the type of qb that Bill likes, cam didn't really fit the scheme but still aittle surprised. No way they trade for a qb now they are all in one. If they gave up draft capital for a backup after dropping cam that would be the dumbest thing they could do. Should be an interesting year with a bunch of the rookie qbs probably going to start. Could get 4 starting rookie qbs this year.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 29, 2021, 12:05:34 PM

J.K. Dobbins is likely out for the season:

source: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1431983214424465410

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J.K. Dobbins currently is undergoing his MRI, but the expectation going in was that he had suffered a season-ending knee injury, per sources.

I had this dude in 90% of my mock drafts, you hate to see when a promising young RB goes down with a serious knee injury, especially in a preseason game. Ravens now have the record for most consecutive preseason wins in a row at 20, but at what cost? Lips sealed

Jags ml + 49ers ml is my ticket for today, looking to finish strong. hehe btw, Joe Burrow is expected to play a few series for the Bengals, probably worth checking...

Yeah shame. Kid looked real good at the end of last year he was pretty high on everyone's board. Hope he comes back next year strong hate seeing these season ending injuries. People were getting on Harbaugh but every coach played their starters in game 3 pretty much. It's the name of the game, inevitable someone goes down

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 31, 2021, 12:01:13 AM

@Hueristic. I vote no as the newbie of the group hehe. However, I not mind if everyone unanimously votes yes. How much players per line up will there be if we increase this?

Also, if I am late for 5 minutes, can I still join?

I would say it should be unanimous so your veto is enough.

Just thinking it would make the waiver wire more interesting.

You can join at anytime up to the final second, if your late you will get autodrafted so take some time to setup your draft list. Speaking of which I need to get to setting mine up, I like to wait till after preseason, it changes do to the injuries.

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@Hueristic. I vote no as the newbie of the group hehe. However, I not mind if everyone unanimously votes yes. How much players per line up will there be if we increase this?

Also, there is a chance that I might be late for maybe 5 minutes and miss the first rounds.

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Just remembered we were going to discuss whether too increase the lineup size but never got to it.

What do you guys think, too late or is 4 days enough to discuss it?

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on August 29, 2021, 07:46:51 PM

Almost every 49er's coach in history has loved to rotate running backs and full backs situationally. As a result it makes even our best running back a relatively poor choice for FF, in my opinion. Mostert is likely to get the lion's share of snaps, but I predict we'll see a lot of Trey Sermon also.

Yeah I had him and Coleman a few years ago and trying to figure out which one of them (I think there was Breida too) was gonna get the share week to week was impossible! I ended up only playing one if the other 2 were hurt and that worked out well. Same with NE, I will never draft NE RBs.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 29, 2021, 12:05:34 PM

Jags ml + 49ers ml is my ticket for today,

Good job.

Quote from: Hueristic on August 29, 2021, 06:22:31 PM

Yeah, that was pretty funny but I can't believe the idiot went in head first on a pre season game!

Pure Stupidity there. I hope he doesn't think that will impress the coaches.

Yeah, that was scary. I guess he really wanted that meaningless TD. Shocked

Quote from: Hueristic on August 29, 2021, 06:22:31 PM

Mostert has been on my watch list.

Almost every 49er's coach in history has loved to rotate running backs and full backs situationally. As a result it makes even our best running back a relatively poor choice for FF, in my opinion. Mostert is likely to get the lion's share of snaps, but I predict we'll see a lot of Trey Sermon also.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 29, 2021, 12:05:34 PM

Jags ml + 49ers ml is my ticket for today,

Nice

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on August 29, 2021, 05:14:47 PM

Speaking of the niners, lol on that opening drive. Shanahan loves clowning around, he kept inserting Lance just to hand the ball off to Mostert, then runs Garoppolo for a TD. Of course the Raiders' D was looking for Lance to run, and not expecting Jimmy to try.

Yeah, that was pretty funny but I can't believe the idiot went in head first on a pre season game!

Pure Stupidity there. I hope he doesn't think that will impress the coaches.

Mostert has been on my watch list.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 29, 2021, 04:05:05 AM

Justin Fields might be another draftee that we could witness become a starter by week 4, I reckon. Unless Andy Dalton performs very good and saves himself. There is also Zach Wilson who might also surprise everyone hehe. There is not much news updates on him.

Zach Wilson was my favorite of the QB draftees, he looks like Josh Allen. I think it would be best if all the QBs drafted this year sit out the whole season. They're all very talented, but there's more upside to letting them sit out, and more risk to starting them right away. Obviously the Jags aren't going to take my advice, and Robert Salah doesn't have another viable option other than Wilson (and zero depth.) As for the other teams, barring any injuries I wouldn't be surprised to see Dalton and Garoppolo start all year. And Cam too, for that matter.

Quote from: morvillz7z on August 29, 2021, 12:05:34 PM

J.K. Dobbins is likely out for the season:

source: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1431983214424465410

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J.K. Dobbins currently is undergoing his MRI, but the expectation going in was that he had suffered a season-ending knee injury, per sources.

I had this dude in 90% of my mock drafts, you hate to see when a promising young RB goes down with a serious knee injury, especially in a preseason game. Ravens now have the record for most consecutive preseason wins in a row at 20, but at what cost? Lips sealed

That sucks! I had pretty high on my list, but I didn't expect him to be available once I draft.

As for RB's Raheem Mostert looked quite impressive in the 9er opening drive.

Speaking of the niners, lol on that opening drive. Shanahan loves clowning around, he kept inserting Lance just to hand the ball off to Mostert, then runs Garoppolo for a TD. Of course the Raiders' D was looking for Lance to run, and not expecting Jimmy to try.

I'm not holding my breath that kind of shit is going to work in the regular season. The Raiders kept 30 of their top guys out of pads for this game, Gruden is playing his second and third team guys.

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J.K. Dobbins is likely out for the season:

source: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1431983214424465410

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J.K. Dobbins currently is undergoing his MRI, but the expectation going in was that he had suffered a season-ending knee injury, per sources.

I had this dude in 90% of my mock drafts, you hate to see when a promising young RB goes down with a serious knee injury, especially in a preseason game. Ravens now have the record for most consecutive preseason wins in a row at 20, but at what cost? Lips sealed

Jags ml + 49ers ml is my ticket for today, looking to finish strong. hehe btw, Joe Burrow is expected to play a few series for the Bengals, probably worth checking...

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Quote from: Hueristic on August 26, 2021, 11:03:54 PM

I think we should just refer to him as "Covid Cam", sorta like Typhoid Mary.

I strongly speculate Covid Cam’s irresponsibility have Bill Belichik talking to his men and will either declare Mac Jones play as the first quarterback after 4 weeks or trade for the best available quarterback. Massage Watson, Jimmy G? Who is available?

Also, the spread for week 1 are only -3 for Greenbay and only -6 for the Chiefs?

There is a reason that we are almost assuredly going to see Cam and Jimmy G starting, as well as the same reason why Andy Dalton has already been declared the starter. If you think about it, if any of these 3 rookies end up as the day one starter and they struggle right out of the gate..say they struggle hard core, then you end up putting in the Veteran and it just kind of hinders the growth of these rookies that these teams hope to have leading the squad for years to come. It's better to let the veterans come in and have the rookies learn a bit. Then if they struggle you've got a new fresh start with the rookies, vs if the rookies struggle and then you put the so so veterans in...well that's just deflating to the whole team.

Justin Fields might be another draftee that we could witness become a starter by week 4, I reckon. Unless Andy Dalton performs very good and saves himself. There is also Zach Wilson who might also surprise everyone hehe. There is not much news updates on him.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 26, 2021, 10:20:32 PM

Is Cam Newton unvaccinated? It appears then that this has made Bill Belichick’s decision much easier hehe. I predict that we might see Cam Newton play on week 1, lose that game and Belichick will decide to let Mac Jones play week 2.

@wheelz1200. Who has the higher chance to take the Patriots to the playoffs? Cam Newton or Mac Jones?

New England Patriots QB Cam Newton returned to practice Thursday after sitting out the NFL's five-day entry cadence under COVID-19 protocols, giving him three days to prepare for the club's preseason finale on Sunday against the New York Giants.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has had little to say on Newton's situation, instead standing on a statement the club released that explained the quarterback's absence as a "misunderstanding" of the league's protocols regarding COVID-19 testing done away from team facilities. Only unvaccinated players are subject to the five-day re-entry policy.
"He didn't go against team rules," Belichick said of Newton, per NFL Network's Mike Giardi, adding, "All the QBs will get work today."

Belichick has been mum about who will start between Newton and rookie Mac Jones, who has been impressive in training camp, and reiterated Thursday he doesn't have a timetable for naming a Week 1 starter. He did acknowledge Tuesday, however, that Jones had a big opportunity in Newton's absence. He apparently took advantage of it in joint practices with the Giants, while Newton's contact with the Patriots for five days was relegated to virtual participation in meetings.

Source https://www.nfl.com/news/cam-newton-back-at-patriots-practice-after-five-day-absence-mac-jones

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If you want me to be honest, neither of them. But Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade giving the team. The Patriots aren't really going to beat the likes of Tennessee, Kansas city or even the bills in their own division. I wouldn't give up high picks to stay a middle of the road team. Jimmy isn't the answer...they hope Mac is so I'd run with Cam and Mac this year.

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Quote from: Hueristic on August 26, 2021, 12:56:27 PM

I think Darrell Henderson just got screwed with Sony Michel Trade. I was planning on grabbing both, thought Michel wouldn't get traded until 6th week but this threw a wrench in a few of my value players I was gonna try to snipe.

This backfield was giving me some anxiety before Cam Akers went down but it doesn't as much anymore even with Sony Michel being picked up. I still think the job is going to be Henderson's and lets face facts here too..Sony Michel is not good. There is a reason the Pats were willing to trade him away. Just my 2.

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I think the Bears will suck this year tbh. We will certainly be a bit better than the Giants however that is for sure..not that that is saying very much lol. Outside of Saquon Barkley the Giants are going to be very, very, very BAD lol.

If Cam stays in we will be fighting for the bottom right there with you! Cheesy

Agreed, they might also not reach the playoffs with Mac Jones. However, the trade deadline is on November. If the 49ers should resolve that they make Trey Lance their permanent no.1 quarterback before the deadline, is there a chance that Bill Belichick might try to get Jimmy Garoppolo?

No way not after taking Mac with the 1 this year and cam sitting there. Jimmy isn't a huge upgrade. Now if Aaron Rodgers becomes available that's a whole different story.

And @chi cowboys always suck this year won't be any different. Redskins have a tough schedule ahead of them but their d is tight. Giants still gonna win it. And Jan 2nd is a lock for the giants. Will be the ff superbowl week too. Might just need to take Danny dimes with my first pick in the draft! Lol

Lol you are off your rocker Sir Wheelz. There is not a chance in hell that the Giants will finish in first place in that division. The Cowboys have Dak back, and Dak is far better than anything ya'll got over in New York. The cowboys have some solid wide receivers, running backs etc. Defense may be a bit suspect, but still. I also thing the WFT will be very solid..as you said their D is legit but so should be their offense. Fitzmagic is solid, their running back Gibson is a stud, some good WRs etc. I am willing to make a side bet with you if you'd like sir??

Don't threaten me with a good time. Throw me some odds and I'm down. If you want to be the house I will give you a bit of an edge against the current odds. Straight up it makes no sense on my part will just pile on at current odds with the book. Now if you want to bet straight up on the January 2nd game, I'm down. Let's bet on the toilet bowl!

And Dallas always has a great offense yet they don't do squat year in and year out. Dak is over rated. He had probably the best o line in the league one year. Look at what zeke did second half of last year with a crap line. Nadda. We both know rbs and qbs can be drastically change with line play.

How do we make that bet, I have to give you like a win or two or something? I am certainly up for making it though of course. I also agree with Dak, he is a bit overrated but still, it's not like he sucks.

I guess either give me the odds currently on the board. Or I guess we can handicap it by giving me a game or 2. Just odd because if they are technically out as of the last game I still might be in the bet but the giants might lay off. 🤔

Let me think on this and will get back to you. I will pretty much take any creative bet centered around the giants winning the division. The Homer in me is brurning.

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Quote from: Hueristic on August 26, 2021, 11:03:54 PM

I think we should just refer to him as "Covid Cam", sorta like Typhoid Mary.

I strongly speculate Covid Cam’s irresponsibility have Bill Belichik talking to his men and will either declare Mac Jones play as the first quarterback after 4 weeks or trade for the best available quarterback. Massage Watson, Jimmy G? Who is available?

Also, the spread for week 1 are only -3 for Greenbay and only -6 for the Chiefs?

There is a reason that we are almost assuredly going to see Cam and Jimmy G starting, as well as the same reason why Andy Dalton has already been declared the starter. If you think about it, if any of these 3 rookies end up as the day one starter and they struggle right out of the gate..say they struggle hard core, then you end up putting in the Veteran and it just kind of hinders the growth of these rookies that these teams hope to have leading the squad for years to come. It's better to let the veterans come in and have the rookies learn a bit. Then if they struggle you've got a new fresh start with the rookies, vs if the rookies struggle and then you put the so so veterans in...well that's just deflating to the whole team.

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