Topic: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 - page 204. (Read 58731 times)

Here I was enjoying the moment, and you just had to bring up that painful memory, didn't you?  Where's the de-merit button when you need it?  

kidding, of course

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Aaaan, Mahomes is intercepted.  That's all she wrote, no time-outs, less than two minutes left, and the Bucs just need to kneel.  No hail-mary needed.

@South Park. I predict Brady after witnessing how this game was played by both of the teams. If it was a much harder game for Tampa Bay it might be different. I reckon Gronk or someone from the defense like Shaq Barrett. There were only 2 MVPs from the defense in the last 10 superbowls, however.

This is a perfect illustration for the running QB discussion earlier in the thread. He's running all right. For all the wrong reasons.

We cannot discount Mahomes, however this will have to be an even more efficient comeback than the one we saw in SB 51, if I remember correctly the score at the end of the 3rd quarter was 28-9 and now it is 31-9 and the Bucs are making no mistakes and more importantly they can run the ball and kill the clock.

If the Bucs win who do you think should receive the MVP? Gronk is a candidate but I think that the Bucs Defence as a whole should receive the award, it has never been done but I think they deserve it.

Edit: Now it seems it is actually over after that 4th down stop.

It ain't over till it's over but Bucs so far have been impressively effective at neutralizing they usual suspects like Kelce. Mahomes would need some serious adjustments to make some lemonade here.

It appears that this is game over after the sack and the interception. I am certain that the Chiefs are presently shattered psychologically and emotionally already.

Congratulations to Tampa Bay bettors out there.

Well, not so safe anymore, what with Chiefs refusing to participate.


Yeah... never bet against the goat.

It appears that the best propbets were all the Tom Brady overs. I remember the over rushing yards for Tom Brady was 0.5 in sportsbet.io. This might win also if the Chiefs do not make an adjustment.

Lol, I've made stupider moves that paid off.   


I blame my ethnicity.  Palestinians aren't known for drinking much, but when we do we prefer weak beer and stinky Scotch.


That's the kind of stupid shit that they need to avoid.  I wish I could read lips, I'm wondering what the fuck Matthew had to say to Brady after that score.  You know Andy Reed is reaming him a new asshole right about now.

The Chiefs are really beating themselves with all those penalties. They had all the momentum in the world after that goal line stand, which was a beauty to watch, and gave it all away with some dumb play/penalties. Otoh they are only down two scores and get the ball first in HT2, so there is hope for them, if they can somehow regroup during halftime.

Halftime. If anyone wants good in-game odds on KC - now's your time 


I prefer grape drinks, DireWolfM14 seems to like grain alcohol


They seem to be seriously rattled. I mean why would you go to Brady after the play... there is nothing to "talk" about.

Prediction. Travis Kelce to be this Superbowl's MVP if the Chiefs gets the victory!

Also, how would the drunk driving incident of Britt Reid affect the team's play as a whole? The skeptical me thinks this is a mafia type of set up and game fixing hehehehe.

What a stop by KC on the one yard line! But the KC offence cannot move the ball at all, the OL cannot protect Mahomes.

Edit: TB has almost a FG assured with that awful punt.

Edit: KC is killing itself with flags and it went from TB getting 0 points, then 3 points and now 7 points thanks to the mistakes of KC.

@DireWolfM14. Be careful of that invitation. After this bull market many of us might make much money and fly to wherever you are and each bringing our own microbrews hehehe.

@suchmoon. What drinks are those?

Man, this is starting look like a rout in the making.  Mahomes is 2/9 for 9 yards so far.  KC may not score the 2.5 TDs I need from them to win my bet. 


Sweet.

Brady to Gronk... this is like a friggin' time machine.


I think we've already established that our preferred drinks are dramatically different LOL.

Okay, it's official:  You're invited to all my Post-Covid super bowl parties.  For life.  Unless, you're one of those guys that brings micro-brews to look cool, then proceeds to only drink my coors light.  Then you're uninvited.

BTW, it's always a multi-ethnic super bowl buffet around here; Polish sausages, guacamole, humus, falafel, mom's home-made pita bread, and sushi.  No lack of options for the picky.

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Lol, I doubt the odds would be worth the wager.  

Yes, correct and nice post/thoughts. Probably should have written that Mahomes has more options when the pressure comes or the pocket collapses. Brady will just throw the ball away, while Mahomes can still make something happen with his feet before having to throw the ball away/finding an open receiver/getting sacked eventually.

As you mentioned Brady just has a great pocket awareness and won't hesitate too long to give up the play, when nobody is open, thus his very good stats in Sacks/PA. He just won't let him get sacked too often, while others hold onto the ball a bit longer and take the sack every now and then instead. Now Mahomes imo is kind of a hybrid compared to Brady and Wilson/Watson, i.e. he is also not afraid to just throw the ball away, but he has the option of leaving the pocket, if he sees some space. In recent times I felt that he threw the ball away more frequently, which is probably something Reid told him, since it's better for his durability longterm.

Sacks often don't tell the whole story, like with so many stats Sacks are nice, but getting frequent QB pressure is probably more important. The Giants in 2008/2012 only had 3 sacks each, but they were near Brady "all" game and it stressed him and helped the secondary.
You also have this approach used with mobile QB's that you don't want to collapse the pocket and go for the sack no matter what, but to just get enough pressure on the QB with leaving the pocket intact. That way you contain him in the pocket and make it harder for him to beat you with his feet. Those big QB runs often happen when the pocket collapses and the secondary is down the field with all the WR's.

I think it's a common misconception that mobile quarterbacks are harder to sack, but statistically speaking that hasn't always been true.  It really has more to do with the OLine than the QB's mobility.  It's hard to compare Mahomes' career with that of Brady's just because of the difference in sample size, so in the graphic below I included  a couple of the more successful "mobile" QBs in the league today:  One with a lot of experience; Russell Wilson, and another young QB who is arguably the most mobile in the league today; Deshaun Watson.



Obviously Brady has benefited by playing with OLines that are among the best in the league during his entire career, and so far Patrick Mahomes has as well.  As seen above Mahomes' mobility hasn't had a very significant effect on the sack stats.  The small sample size can certainly compensate for the difference between his and Brady's career numbers.  Mahomes hasn't had to struggle with a porous line the way Brady has had to during some of his seasons.

Mobile QBs are a lot of fun to watch, they're great for the highlight reals, they can make lemon-aid out of lemons the way Wilson has done for years.  But the statistics don't corroborate the notion that they are less-likely to get sacked.

Of course I haven't mentioned the "Pocket Acuity" of Brady.  It's almost like the guy has eyes on the back of his helmet.  The reality is that there is a statistically consistent amount of time that a pocket passer has.  There are specific places to which a pocket passer can slide to buy himself a little more time.  It all comes down to coaching and knowing your team-mates.  No one has mastered the art as well as Tom Brady.

Where can I prop bet a Hill penalty will call back a huge Kelce play?