The bASIC Refund Tracking Thread - page 16.

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Quote from: buzzdave on February 04, 2013, 07:37:54 PM

Quote from: dmcurser on February 04, 2013, 01:37:30 PM

i am simply saying anyone could put two and two togather. As it looks right now it can be made dave assisted tom in the ablity to scam the btc by refunding the cc refunds. Althought he may have been doing his job he layed this ground to be open that he was assisting tom with the btc scam and all that somone has t prove was the cc refunds were made so that nothing could be done about this and to allow the btc scam.

This, coming from someone who actually had no money invested in bASICs. He won the sig contest Tom put up, took delivery of one MMQ and put the 100 BTC Bar towards a bASIC pre-order. Furthermore he had Tom make up an order for him on BTCFPGA.com, and then contacted me separately to set up an order on bitcoinASIC.com. Knowing he had two orders (one of them false), he attempted to scam our refund process, contacting me with refund requests citing both order numbers.

It was only when I called him on it that he admitted what he was up to:

Quote from: dmcurser (Skype)

[1/28/2013 12:03:56 AM] David Carlson: I'll put you down for 100BTC - but man I'll be honest - I think you were trying to game the refund - not appreciated.
[1/28/2013 12:06:42 AM] dmcurser: i am sorry for that although at times i wish i would i would never let it go that far
[1/28/2013 12:06:58 AM] dmcurser: i was just mad bc noone is there to talk to everytime try to opwn a convo
[1/28/2013 12:07:05 AM] dmcurser: it just doesnt get ansewered
...etc.

Looks like he should be up for scammer tag too.

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Quote from: buzzdave on February 04, 2013, 07:30:14 PM

Quote from: MichaelBliss on February 04, 2013, 04:32:11 PM

Dave did his best to constantly spin events in a "positive" way, stringing everybody along to the best of his ability. TO PREVENT THEM FROM ASKING FOR A REFUND. Even in that epic thread where LukasBradley told us the truth, if you look at Dave's version he was still spinning, and stalling, and basically misrepresenting the situation, to the "customers" detriment.

Maybe politicians and MSM has conditioned some of you to be too forgiving of "spin" and "pr"? Anybody else remember how Dave lied to us quite a bit apart from that stuff?

Do you think Dave's "information" updates and his stalling have anything to do with why people didn't ask for a refund until it was too late?

Wow Michael - considering how much I worked with you to get you your coins. I'd remind you of a few of your quotes to me:

Quote from: MichaelBliss (email)

"I think I owe you a major thank you for pushing tom to refund me..."
"I appreciate you and count my lucky stars I got anything back..."
"I'm sorry for you as well, it must be hard dealing with this and maybe
nerve racking for you as well. You've been exceptionally stand-up
from what I've seen..."

Dave, how did yuo "work with me" to get my coins?? I emailed repeatedly and finally after a week Tom refunded them. It's not as much work as you made out while you were stalling for Tom. You can forgive me for having no clue, since you worked to make the process as opaque as possible. LukasBradley said in that post that he and you had to talk Tom into making BTC refunds, which I assume included mine. That is what I thanked you for. Which has nothing to do with how you stalled and misled everybody about the project, then the refund process, and now there seems to be many people SOL. Even in that post, I remember you wording and Lukas' being quite different actually; you were trying to word things in such a way that people still had hope in the project, Lukas was more sure that Tom didn't have all the $ for everyone's refund... Of course that post has been taken down so I'm going from memory.

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Quote from: buzzdave on February 04, 2013, 07:37:54 PM

Quote from: dmcurser on February 04, 2013, 01:37:30 PM

i am simply saying anyone could put two and two togather. As it looks right now it can be made dave assisted tom in the ablity to scam the btc by refunding the cc refunds. Althought he may have been doing his job he layed this ground to be open that he was assisting tom with the btc scam and all that somone has t prove was the cc refunds were made so that nothing could be done about this and to allow the btc scam.

This, coming from someone who actually had no money invested in bASICs. He won the sig contest Tom put up, took delivery of one MMQ and put the 100 BTC Bar towards a bASIC pre-order. Furthermore he had Tom make up an order for him on BTCFPGA.com, and then contacted me separately to set up an order on bitcoinASIC.com. Knowing he had two orders (one of them false), he attempted to scam our refund process, contacting me with refund requests citing both order numbers.

It was only when I called him on it that he admitted what he was up to:

Quote from: dmcurser (Skype)

[1/28/2013 12:03:56 AM] David Carlson: I'll put you down for 100BTC - but man I'll be honest - I think you were trying to game the refund - not appreciated.
[1/28/2013 12:06:42 AM] dmcurser: i am sorry for that although at times i wish i would i would never let it go that far
[1/28/2013 12:06:58 AM] dmcurser: i was just mad bc noone is there to talk to everytime try to opwn a convo
[1/28/2013 12:07:05 AM] dmcurser: it just doesnt get ansewered
...etc.

hey dave if you win the lotto and order somthing and you dont get it you want your money back oo to bad you only won it you didnt earn it. Yes at the time of my refund request i was mad and yes there was two order made. One of which tom said didnt go thur and he couldnt figure out why. The second was another attempt on the bitcoin asci site which he still didnt get to go thur bc of the order system. So he told me to contact you which i did.

I dont have to hid it ill willing admit i was mad since all this shit has gone down. At time of refund request all we got from you was one run around after another and more bs seemed like you were trying to help tom which it still seemed you did.

Further more my agreement with tom was a btc bar of 100 btc for a basic not for 1069 usd i got all the Skype messages and whatnot to prove that all i did was ask for the equivalent of the 1069. I was trying to be far and realistic.

Trying to attack me isnt going to help the fact that you helped tom get away with this. and im not really mad at you in a way i think you did the right thing but in the end i know you didn t you helped tom point blank.

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Quote from: dmcurser on February 04, 2013, 01:37:30 PM

i am simply saying anyone could put two and two togather. As it looks right now it can be made dave assisted tom in the ablity to scam the btc by refunding the cc refunds. Althought he may have been doing his job he layed this ground to be open that he was assisting tom with the btc scam and all that somone has t prove was the cc refunds were made so that nothing could be done about this and to allow the btc scam.

This, coming from someone who actually had no money invested in bASICs. He won the sig contest Tom put up, took delivery of one MMQ and put the 100 BTC Bar towards a bASIC pre-order. Furthermore he had Tom make up an order for him on BTCFPGA.com, and then contacted me separately to set up an order on bitcoinASIC.com. Knowing he had two orders (one of them false), he attempted to scam our refund process, contacting me with refund requests citing both order numbers.

It was only when I called him on it that he admitted what he was up to:

Quote from: dmcurser (Skype)

[1/28/2013 12:03:56 AM] David Carlson: I'll put you down for 100BTC - but man I'll be honest - I think you were trying to game the refund - not appreciated.
[1/28/2013 12:06:42 AM] dmcurser: i am sorry for that although at times i wish i would i would never let it go that far
[1/28/2013 12:06:58 AM] dmcurser: i was just mad bc noone is there to talk to everytime try to opwn a convo
[1/28/2013 12:07:05 AM] dmcurser: it just doesnt get ansewered
...etc.

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Quote from: MichaelBliss on February 04, 2013, 04:32:11 PM

Dave did his best to constantly spin events in a "positive" way, stringing everybody along to the best of his ability. TO PREVENT THEM FROM ASKING FOR A REFUND. Even in that epic thread where LukasBradley told us the truth, if you look at Dave's version he was still spinning, and stalling, and basically misrepresenting the situation, to the "customers" detriment.

Maybe politicians and MSM has conditioned some of you to be too forgiving of "spin" and "pr"? Anybody else remember how Dave lied to us quite a bit apart from that stuff?

Do you think Dave's "information" updates and his stalling have anything to do with why people didn't ask for a refund until it was too late?

Wow Michael - considering how much I worked with you to get you your coins. I'd remind you of a few of your quotes to me:

Quote from: MichaelBliss (email)

"I think I owe you a major thank you for pushing tom to refund me..."
"I appreciate you and count my lucky stars I got anything back..."
"I'm sorry for you as well, it must be hard dealing with this and maybe
nerve racking for you as well. You've been exceptionally stand-up
from what I've seen..."

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I still ask myself this: why would anyone put themselves in the hot seat Tom finds himself in, when his identity and that of his immediate family is so easily retrieved?

Threaten a man's family and he will most certainly not ignore you!!

I have in my possession significant details on the subject and his immediate family, which I found in just 30 minutes of searching. Included are names, home and mobile phone numbers, home and business addresses, other properties/investments owned, and properties/businesses managed. Tom's father is far from being a nobody, and they are both well known in their local community. And pictures to prove it.

I am not an affected party and I certainly don't wish anyone physical harm, but I find this matter disconcerting at many levels. I may be interested in releasing the information if there is a public demand for it (for a very small donation).

If I were in Tom's shoes, which I'm happy is not the case, I would immediately start refunding and paying back all debts. Or, I might try to bribe the author of this post in order to buy their silence (it might be for sale at the right price).

Contact me.

Well done idiot boy!!!!!
In a single post you managed to threaten to physically harm and blackmail a person in public.

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Quote from: dani on February 04, 2013, 06:43:40 PM

I did not receive my CC refund yet. Of course my BTC refunds neither. Anyone in europe (especially germany) did receive their CC refund? Is there a way to call tom? Anyone tried? Im sick of waiting..

I'm from Germany and got my credit card bill today, my credit card paid order was refunded (but I only bought the DHL shipping upgrade with credit card, so it's only 60 bucks). Of course no sign of my btc refund. I'm getting sick of this shit. Hopefully someone from the US sues the shit out of him.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Or, I might try to bribe the author of this post in order to buy their silence (it might be for sale at the right price).

Contact me.

Wow.

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..yeah

I did not receive my CC refund yet. Of course my BTC refunds neither. Anyone in europe (especially germany) did receive their CC refund? Is there a way to call tom? Anyone tried? Im sick of waiting..

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Quote from: Syke on February 04, 2013, 04:55:20 PM

How about you talk with Tom and find out why the BTC refunds haven't been processed?

Tom refunded all the BTC has in stock

Tom does not want to buy BTC at the current inflated price

Mistake, as most of us will settle for a $USD refund in the equivalent BTC at todays rate

Hands up for those who just want to get it over with and move one....

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Quote from: Syke on February 04, 2013, 04:55:20 PM

How about you talk with Tom and find out why the BTC refunds haven't been processed?

Yes, that would be dandy.

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Quote from: buzzdave on January 25, 2013, 03:18:01 PM

I feel that its the least I can do - I participated in building this up - the right thing to do is see to it that tearing it down is done correctly.

How about you talk with Tom and find out why the BTC refunds haven't been processed?

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Dave did his best to constantly spin events in a "positive" way, stringing everybody along to the best of his ability. TO PREVENT THEM FROM ASKING FOR A REFUND. Even in that epic thread where LukasBradley told us the truth, if you look at Dave's version he was still spinning, and stalling, and basically misrepresenting the situation, to the "customers" detriment.

Maybe politicians and MSM has conditioned some of you to be too forgiving of "spin" and "pr"? Anybody else remember how Dave lied to us quite a bit apart from that stuff?

Do you think Dave's "information" updates and his stalling have anything to do with why people didn't ask for a refund until it was too late?

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Tom was distancing himself from us lowly investors long ago. Remember when he switched from call me anytime to call Dave anytime and he will set up an appointment for you to talk to me?

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Quote from: RHA on February 04, 2013, 02:21:37 PM

Dave's clarification: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1054.msg3111#msg3111

Interesting, it seems hes still at least in communication w/ Tom.... while Tom wont fucking talk to us. Hrm....

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Quote from: RHA on February 04, 2013, 02:19:14 PM

Don't believe someone who use no shift and punctuation. Either he is uneducated or he despises the readers. In both cases his opinion is of no value.

Why does proper grammar matter? Did I Sign up for a English education forum and I didn't know about it?? If so I am sorry please forgive me.

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Dave's clarification: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1054.msg3111#msg3111

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Don't believe someone who use no shift and punctuation. Either he is uneducated or he despises the readers. In both cases his opinion is of no value.

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Quote from: server on February 04, 2013, 02:07:20 PM

But did you receive the actual email ?

Nope...nothing. In fact I beleive the last time I got an email from anyone at BTCFPGA/bitcoinasic was 11 Dec 2012 sent from Dave Carlson [[email protected]].

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look once again im just saying if somone wants to take this to the courts dave is in a not so nice place all im saying some may veiw your veiw some may see the other side theres always two sides.

i still thank dave for his work ad just feel he did a little more then he should of thats all im saying. all he had to do was make list he didnt need to do anything else.

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