The difference between science and religion - page 3.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 28, 2019, 07:54:46 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 28, 2019, 07:38:22 AM

As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You explained nothing. Where's your falsifiable scientific paper? Nowhere.

You say you're doing science, but what you're doing is just a joke. BTW I don't live in US of Northamerica, and for that matter I don't care about what any government says about anything. You may be a socialist that believes in government, it fits the religious narrative pretty well.

All right. So, you're a renegade who doesn't understand science. Do you think for a moment that nothing exists until it has a scientific paper behind it? If you do, all you are saying is that you believe other people who write a scientific paper. This makes you a believer in science whether or not they are right or wrong. It is believers who have religion.

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Quote from: Moloch on August 21, 2018, 10:18:05 AM

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 28, 2019, 07:38:22 AM

As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You explained nothing. Where's your falsifiable scientific paper? Nowhere.

You say you're doing science, but what you're doing is just a joke. BTW I don't live in US of Northamerica, and for that matter I don't care about what any government says about anything. You may be a socialist that believes in government, it fits the religious narrative pretty well.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 10:47:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

Unlike the religion that says god is a living zombie and talks about bushes in fire speaking as god? Which one is more ridiculous?

Yes, I believe in it. And I think you don't believe in the bible.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

Says you, not science. You are blabbering: a pear + an ant = an elefant because you say so.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

To me, the bible is just a book written by delusional nomads. And if the fact that the bible has been copied for a long time doesn't make it any more true: Eat shit. A million flies can't be wrong.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

You wouldn't find logic if it was staring at you. Pastafarism is exactly as logic and real as any other religion, including the one about the zombie god and his mother who cheated on her husband.

Since you are the one talking about God as a living zombie, I see that you are totally rejecting Him. As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You didn't even take the time to think about the science a little. You just rejected it outright.

Nobody is suggesting that you have to accept things you don't want to believe in. But you will find that great pain or great joy makes believers out of everyone. You sound like you are closer to the pain than to the joy.

Well, actually, the so-called pastafarian religion has been adjudicated in the US to not be a religion. Why? Because its so-called believers only use it to play a religion game... not to really believe in it.

Too bad for you that you don't want to be real in life. But then, there are lots of people like you. You are welcome to change at any time you like. God will gladly forgive and accept you.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

Unlike the religion that says god is a living zombie and talks about bushes in fire speaking as god? Which one is more ridiculous?

Yes, I believe in it. And I think you don't believe in the bible.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

Says you, not science. You are blabbering: a pear + an ant = an elefant because you say so.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

To me, the bible is just a book written by delusional nomads. And if the fact that the bible has been copied for a long time doesn't make it any more true: Eat shit. A million flies can't be wrong.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:41 PM

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

You wouldn't find logic if it was staring at you. Pastafarism is exactly as logic and real as any other religion, including the one about the zombie god and his mother who cheated on her husband.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers.

Same thing could be said about your religion or any other for that matter.

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

That's what you say. I say that there's no true believer on your god/religion, it's all fake. Of course one cannot get inside the mind of other people, but we all know that your religion is fake and no one really believes in it.

The reason why there are true Christian believers is that God holds their faith in place. And the strength of the Bible proves it.

Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

Since nature and science show that God exists

That's false. There's no scientific demonstration of its existence.

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM

No one believes in the bible, you all are faking it.

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

Islamic terrorists are trying to force themselves to believe something that there isn't really any strength in.

Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

One God Almighty is the FSM.

Another part of your fake religion.

Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 08:59:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

Says the one that blabbers without understanding what science is.

Now, you are blabbering some more stuff.

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers.

Same thing could be said about your religion or any other for that matter.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

That's what you say. I say that there's no true believer on your god/religion, it's all fake. Of course one cannot get inside the mind of other people, but we all know that your religion is fake and no one really believes in it.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

Since nature and science show that God exists

That's false. There's no scientific demonstration of its existence.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM

No one believes in the bible, you all are faking it.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

One God Almighty is the FSM.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

Says the one that blabbers without understanding what science is.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 07:04:23 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 04:33:55 PM

After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real.

And you're not willing to accept that the Flying Spagueti Monster is real.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 04:33:55 PM

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

There's only one god and it's this one:

https://media.swncdn.com/cms/RT/71448-flying-spaghetti-monster-memoangeles.1200w.tn.jpg

Do you understand that?

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers. But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

Since nature and science show that God exists, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM, if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

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Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 04:33:55 PM

After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real.

And you're not willing to accept that the Flying Spagueti Monster is real.

Quote from: BADecker on December 27, 2019, 04:33:55 PM

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

There's only one god and it's this one:

Do you understand that?

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 27, 2019, 05:59:25 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 10:01:23 PM

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.

That's just humans failing at trying to do proper science. Don't blame that on science itself, humans are just humans.

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 10:01:23 PM

Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

We humans have the ability to think, make abstract arguments, even create tools to go way beyond our senses and inherent limitations. I haven't seen ants build a radiotelescope to see beyond their senses and see the human in the lab.

Except that we aren't scientifically advanced enough yet, to be sure that our abstract thinking arguments aren't really just some programming. After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real. So to the scientists that think this way, it's all programming by nature.

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 10:01:23 PM

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.

That's just humans failing at trying to do proper science. Don't blame that on science itself, humans are just humans.

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 10:01:23 PM

Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

We humans have the ability to think, make abstract arguments, even create tools to go way beyond our senses and inherent limitations. I haven't seen ants build a radiotelescope to see beyond their senses and see the human in the lab.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 26, 2019, 07:28:23 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 05:05:59 PM

Many people believe science is true. But science, itself, shows that it is often wrong, and the wrong is only figured out later.

That's just false, science has never been wrong.

Scientific theories, however, have limits. Science is not the theories, but the method, the scientific method. And the method is not wrong, it never was. The scientific method indeed is used to limit the validity of the models behind the scientific theories, so that we can afterwards improve it with better theories/models.

Science is true, it's just a method of generating knowledge. Religion is a method of keeping yourself from acquiring any new knowledge at all.

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.

Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 05:05:59 PM

Many people believe science is true. But science, itself, shows that it is often wrong, and the wrong is only figured out later.

That's just false, science has never been wrong.

Scientific theories, however, have limits. Science is not the theories, but the method, the scientific method. And the method is not wrong, it never was. The scientific method indeed is used to limit the validity of the models behind the scientific theories, so that we can afterwards improve it with better theories/models.

Science is true, it's just a method of generating knowledge. Religion is a method of keeping yourself from acquiring any new knowledge at all.

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Quote from: Lambowei on December 26, 2019, 03:05:17 PM

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Quote from: Anonaneadone on December 08, 2019, 12:19:08 PM

Science is base on fact and there's such a evidence to prove that this thing happens or not. Religion is base only in our hearts in our beliefs

Science is like a law. Religion is like a theory for me. Even though there are theories in science. We must both balance the belief to become a good person and the truth so you can live normally. Balance both science and religion.

Science is based on belief that the evidence is showing us a fact, or not.

True religion is based on eye witness events written down.

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One of them is true, the other one is religion.

Many people believe science is true. But science, itself, shows that it is often wrong, and the wrong is only figured out later.

The point is that anything that you believe in and exercise regularly is your religion... be it science or one of the formal religions.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2019, 04:36:19 PM

Quote from: Anonaneadone on December 08, 2019, 12:19:08 PM

Science is base on fact and there's such a evidence to prove that this thing happens or not. Religion is base only in our hearts in our beliefs

Science is like a law. Religion is like a theory for me. Even though there are theories in science. We must both balance the belief to become a good person and the truth so you can live normally. Balance both science and religion.

Science is based on belief that the evidence is showing us a fact, or not.

True religion is based on eye witness events written down.

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One of them is true, the other one is religion.

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Even science becomes a religion when people believe science can save them.

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Quote from: Moloch on August 21, 2018, 10:18:05 AM

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

While science talks about the real world, proved theories and hypothesis; Religion is more associated towards stories and supernatural stuff. In brief, Science is concerned with natural world while religion is associated with both natural and unnatural. Most of the things in religion cant be explained by science and vice-versa and it is meaningless to associated both of them and try to find relation between the two.

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Quote from: kelawannaepa on December 24, 2019, 04:27:53 PM

In my opinion, religion and science are really contradictory phenomena. But i think both of these are parts of our lives. These two sections regulate our everyday life. Religion is our spiritual image, and science is physical. Open to Conversation...........

I also see that because the idea of religion makes the science prove on what is true. And science has the power to make in physical way to explain what happen because there are no science class when the religion began so for now. We are the one or depend on ourselves on what we need to believe.

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In my opinion, religion and science are really contradictory phenomena. But i think both of these are parts of our lives. These two sections regulate our everyday life. Religion is our spiritual image, and science is physical. Open to Conversation...........

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Although at first glance it seems that science and religion are completely opposed to each other, I think that they have a very important common basis. Both religion and science lie on the ground of beliefs and assumptions which can be proved wrong at any time. If one searches for a truth he shouldn't rely on either of them. We can take to our consideration postulates of both but never think of them as of ultimate truth.

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