Science should absolutely always trump religion. Religion can be practiced, but not with the malice or disadvantage of society. There are many circumstances where religion and churches have benefited society, and many situations where it has not. Religion is historically based (but loosely). Science is going forward, and willing to adapt. Anything willing to adapt to facts should be followed primarily, as that's the only way the world will progress.
I firmly agree with the seperation of Church/State. IMO religion should be something that should be personal, but not used to dictate complex laws by complex countries/states.
Topic: The difference between science and religion - page 8. (Read 6610 times)
You are quite wrong about this. The example right here is that my faith causes me to post some of the things that I post in this forum. And some of the things I post modify the thinking of others. So, we all have and use faith. And all of us base our faith on things that we do religiously, day after day... even scientific things that we do.
At least you are honest about why you do it.
Your faith (or faith of other people) does not impact the reality one tiny bit.
It does not matter if you have 2 billion delusional people, they still are delusional.
Believing something does not make it true.
I care about the truth. If I don't know something, I say I don't know, you instead adopted some ancient cult to fill your (large) gaps in knowledge.
Your buddy, Moloch:
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so I'll just leave this here
This is really a bold idea. But you don't understand the importance of religion. Religion is the most basic step in science. The future world must be subverted. But it all stems from the early imagination. In short, religion is very important to the meaning of science.
The sole contribution of religion to science is education. In the Middle Ages, all training was concentrated in monasteries and churches. Many scientists were novices.
Because the church is an institution that accumulated knowledge and other learning opportunities (outside the ordinary crafts) did not exist.
But all the contradictions between the faith and knowledge of the mejou were interpreted in favor of the faith. Therefore, at some point religion has become a brake. And it remains to them so far.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so I'll just leave this here
This is really a bold idea. But you don't understand the importance of religion. Religion is the most basic step in science. The future world must be subverted. But it all stems from the early imagination. In short, religion is very important to the meaning of science.
This makes no sense at all... science does not depend on religion for anything
Care to elaborate on how exactly "religion is the most basic step in science", or "religion is very important to the meaning of science"?
Science is about exploring and explaining the natural world, not supernatural woo-woo
This is really a bold idea. But you don't understand the importance of religion. Religion is the most basic step in science. The future world must be subverted. But it all stems from the early imagination. In short, religion is very important to the meaning of science.
don't agree with you. Science and religion answer different questions: science is about describing the world around, religion is about answering the question of what's after death. if you define them correctly, you'll see there's nothing to argue about...
Except there is no life after death. Nobody in the history of life on Earth came back from death. Not a shred of evidence.
Religion comes up with answers to non-existing problems, without providing any supporting evidence.
But God exists... fact. The faith part is believing Him when He tells us about the coming resurrection.
Nobody cares about your faith. It does not change a thing.
You are quite wrong about this. The example right here is that my faith causes me to post some of the things that I post in this forum. And some of the things I post modify the thinking of others. So, we all have and use faith. And all of us base our faith on things that we do religiously, day after day... even scientific things that we do.
don't agree with you. Science and religion answer different questions: science is about describing the world around, religion is about answering the question of what's after death. if you define them correctly, you'll see there's nothing to argue about...
Except there is no life after death. Nobody in the history of life on Earth came back from death. Not a shred of evidence.
Religion comes up with answers to non-existing problems, without providing any supporting evidence.
But God exists... fact. The faith part is believing Him when He tells us about the coming resurrection.
don't agree with you. Science and religion answer different questions: science is about describing the world around, religion is about answering the question of what's after death. if you define them correctly, you'll see there's nothing to argue about...
The problem is religion tries to do more than simply answer questions about death... religion suppresses women, gays, abortion, drugs, and many other things... the bible has thousands of pages, and very few talk about death or the afterlife...
Quote from: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
What does this have to do with answering questions about the afterlife?
Is this a good rule to follow in 2018?
don't agree with you. Science and religion answer different questions: science is about describing the world around, religion is about answering the question of what's after death. if you define them correctly, you'll see there's nothing to argue about...
The elite turned their 9/11 action into a religion of terror. Dr. Stephen Jones shows the nano-thermite used in the Twin Towers to make them collapse the way they did. Believing some formal religious group orchestrated 9/11, is believing in a false religion of propaganda done by those elite Americans who were behind the 9/11 war on America and the rest of the world, all for money.
Dr Steven Jones Nano Thermite 9 11 Truth Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSEw8nJrEk
What You Don't Know About 9/11 Could Fill A DVD...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y45qZWfjEcw
The REAL conspiracy theory is that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. So, what is the religion? The scientifically applied acts against America on and following 9/11... and then hiding this truth from the world.
Dr Steven Jones Nano Thermite 9 11 Truth Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSEw8nJrEk
What You Don't Know About 9/11 Could Fill A DVD...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y45qZWfjEcw
The REAL conspiracy theory is that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. So, what is the religion? The scientifically applied acts against America on and following 9/11... and then hiding this truth from the world.
Science and Religion
God, religion was indiscriminate for a long time, because it demanded blind faith, and disbelief was a sin. Now scientifically objective discoveries have changed our view of the world. And religion has to constantly retreat, even the most stubborn fanatics do not want to look crazy. Therefore, religion is trying to find an explanation for the contradictions, so as not to lose its audience. But as the population becomes more educated, it becomes more difficult to maintain outdated mythology. One hundred years and 90% of people will be atheists.
it doesn't provide facts that we know will always be facts:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be modified and ultimately rejected if it cannot be made to fit the new findings; in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then required.
The same paragraph contradicts what was just said:Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
That doesn’t mean that all theories can be fundamentally changed (for example, well established foundational scientific theories such as evolution, heliocentric theory, cell theory, theory of plate tectonics etc).
The whole idea of science theory is double talk, designed to make science fiction into science fact in the eyes of people who are not scientists
This is called intellectual honesty... something you know nothing about
Only a fool would think he had all the answers and he couldn't possibly be mistaken about anything
There are some scientific theories, like evolution, to which the abundance of facts and evidence have proven the theory true, to the point where it could not be fundamentally changed (details might change, but evolution is proven true... every living thing on this planet evolves... period... this is a proven fact)... this is what you quoted, and you don't seem to understand it or accept it
The same goes with the other things in that list... the Earth revolves around the sun... all living things have cells... these are facts which cannot seriously be disputed
Denying evolution is as laughable as denying the Earth revolves around the sun... you're a fool if you believe your own nonsense
Your examples of science fact are examples of how a bunch of facts that are twisted to show things that really didn't happen. And the twisting is done in the minds of people who want them to be factual, and who use a lot of words to make them sound factual when they are not factual, or when we don't know that they are factual.
Evolution scientists are fools if they believe their own nonsense.
You used to attempt to make sense... this is just sad to watch these days... why even bother replying with something so stupid?
You certainly won't convince anyone that you are correct when you post shit like this
You only make yourself look foolish
Science is based on evidence. Religion is based on belief.
Whether you believe on science or not will not change a thing about it. The same cannot be said with religion.
Whether you believe on science or not will not change a thing about it. The same cannot be said with religion.
God, religion was indiscriminate for a long time, because it demanded blind faith, and disbelief was a sin. Now scientifically objective discoveries have changed our view of the world. And religion has to constantly retreat, even the most stubborn fanatics do not want to look crazy. Therefore, religion is trying to find an explanation for the contradictions, so as not to lose its audience. But as the population becomes more educated, it becomes more difficult to maintain outdated mythology. One hundred years and 90% of people will be atheists.
it doesn't provide facts that we know will always be facts:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be modified and ultimately rejected if it cannot be made to fit the new findings; in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then required.
The same paragraph contradicts what was just said:Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
That doesn’t mean that all theories can be fundamentally changed (for example, well established foundational scientific theories such as evolution, heliocentric theory, cell theory, theory of plate tectonics etc).
The whole idea of science theory is double talk, designed to make science fiction into science fact in the eyes of people who are not scientists
This is called intellectual honesty... something you know nothing about
Only a fool would think he had all the answers and he couldn't possibly be mistaken about anything
There are some scientific theories, like evolution, to which the abundance of facts and evidence have proven the theory true, to the point where it could not be fundamentally changed (details might change, but evolution is proven true... every living thing on this planet evolves... period... this is a proven fact)... this is what you quoted, and you don't seem to understand it or accept it
The same goes with the other things in that list... the Earth revolves around the sun... all living things have cells... these are facts which cannot seriously be disputed
Denying evolution is as laughable as denying the Earth revolves around the sun... you're a fool if you believe your own nonsense
Your examples of science fact are examples of how a bunch of facts that are twisted to show things that really didn't happen. And the twisting is done in the minds of people who want them to be factual, and who use a lot of words to make them sound factual when they are not factual, or when we don't know that they are factual.
Evolution scientists are fools if they believe their own nonsense.
God, religion was indiscriminate for a long time, because it demanded blind faith, and disbelief was a sin. Now scientifically objective discoveries have changed our view of the world. And religion has to constantly retreat, even the most stubborn fanatics do not want to look crazy. Therefore, religion is trying to find an explanation for the contradictions, so as not to lose its audience. But as the population becomes more educated, it becomes more difficult to maintain outdated mythology. One hundred years and 90% of people will be atheists.
it doesn't provide facts that we know will always be facts:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be modified and ultimately rejected if it cannot be made to fit the new findings; in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then required.
The same paragraph contradicts what was just said:Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
That doesn’t mean that all theories can be fundamentally changed (for example, well established foundational scientific theories such as evolution, heliocentric theory, cell theory, theory of plate tectonics etc).
The whole idea of science theory is double talk, designed to make science fiction into science fact in the eyes of people who are not scientists
This is called intellectual honesty... something you know nothing about
Only a fool would think he had all the answers and he couldn't possibly be mistaken about anything
There are some scientific theories, like evolution, to which the abundance of facts and evidence have proven the theory true, to the point where it could not be fundamentally changed (details might change, but evolution is proven true... every living thing on this planet evolves... period... this is a proven fact)... this is what you quoted, and you don't seem to understand it or accept it
The same goes with the other things in that list... the Earth revolves around the sun... all living things have cells... these are facts which cannot seriously be disputed
Denying evolution is as laughable as denying the Earth revolves around the sun... you're a fool if you believe your own nonsense
God, religion was indiscriminate for a long time, because it demanded blind faith, and disbelief was a sin. Now scientifically objective discoveries have changed our view of the world. And religion has to constantly retreat, even the most stubborn fanatics do not want to look crazy. Therefore, religion is trying to find an explanation for the contradictions, so as not to lose its audience. But as the population becomes more educated, it becomes more difficult to maintain outdated mythology. One hundred years and 90% of people will be atheists.
I think that there is never blind faith in religion. Why? Because no religion would ever get off the ground if all there was, was blind faith.
Rather, religions have religious books, religious buildings and statues, and other religious objects and philosophies that people use as a basis for their faith... faith which expects a future outcome because of the religion, but doesn't really know how the outcome is going to work or be set in place.
Science theory is religion. Why? Because it doesn't provide facts that we know will always be facts:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be modified and ultimately rejected if it cannot be made to fit the new findings; in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then required.
The same paragraph contradicts what was just said:Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
That doesn’t mean that all theories can be fundamentally changed (for example, well established foundational scientific theories such as evolution, heliocentric theory, cell theory, theory of plate tectonics etc).
The whole idea of science theory is double talk, designed to make science fiction into science fact in the eyes of people who are not scientists. This means that science is just another religion, based on rigorous examination, and a built-in combination of faith and doubt (doubt, because scientists are always trying to find new ways to correct present science theories).
God, religion was indiscriminate for a long time, because it demanded blind faith, and disbelief was a sin. Now scientifically objective discoveries have changed our view of the world. And religion has to constantly retreat, even the most stubborn fanatics do not want to look crazy. Therefore, religion is trying to find an explanation for the contradictions, so as not to lose its audience. But as the population becomes more educated, it becomes more difficult to maintain outdated mythology. One hundred years and 90% of people will be atheists.
The difference between science and religion:
Religious answer to anything = "God did it"
Scientific answer to anything = "Let me show you how it happened", or "I don't know"
Religious answer to anything = "God did it"
Scientific answer to anything = "Let me show you how it happened", or "I don't know"
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