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legendary
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November 16, 2015, 07:55:48 AM
#90
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving
In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.
I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

I guess I wasn't clear. You wrote that there is no way that miners could continue to mine if the reward was near zero and the price did not increase. My point is that mining will continue. If the price doesn't change over the next 9 halvings then the block reward will be around $15. People were mining when the block reward was $10. They will mine when it is $15.


those are only for people that already reached roi and there will be no more added equipments because there will be not enough profit for everyone, this mean that the network can not grow anymore with that tiny reward

anyway the point stand, before it was possible to mine with $10 in block reward because as i said, the hash was very poor, so there where no expensive bill cost in play, now it's different, they cannot mine with $15 when a bif farm is consuming 100k in electrcicity cost alone...

yeah they wil keep mining, but the total hash will be greatly reduced, which lead to an insecure network, you can't compare with the past
At that time there are still some ppl who are mining it for hoby or using free electricity without the need of spending a lot for upgrading their miners. If it turns to profits, many ppl will join the game again. Mining difficulty and block reward will come to a balance. The mining will never die unless bitcoin encounters some fatal issues.

those people were the minority there is no way you can have 400 peta of hash as it is right now with free electrcicty, you must be dreaming

the network will fall apart this is certain, it does not matter if some random miners with free electricity will join again, not even 100 peta will be achieved with a $10 reward in block

tell me how can a farm of 50 peta for example, sustain a $15 block reward, with their maintenance and their bills cost....even with free electricty it's not sustainable, because of maintanance
sr. member
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November 16, 2015, 07:52:06 AM
#89
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving
In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.
I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

I guess I wasn't clear. You wrote that there is no way that miners could continue to mine if the reward was near zero and the price did not increase. My point is that mining will continue. If the price doesn't change over the next 9 halvings then the block reward will be around $15. People were mining when the block reward was $10. They will mine when it is $15.


those are only for people that already reached roi and there will be no more added equipments because there will be not enough profit for everyone, this mean that the network can not grow anymore with that tiny reward

anyway the point stand, before it was possible to mine with $10 in block reward because as i said, the hash was very poor, so there where no expensive bill cost in play, now it's different, they cannot mine with $15 when a bif farm is consuming 100k in electrcicity cost alone...

yeah they wil keep mining, but the total hash will be greatly reduced, which lead to an insecure network, you can't compare with the past
At that time there are still some ppl who are mining it for hoby or using free electricity without the need of spending a lot for upgrading their miners. If it turns to profits, many ppl will join the game again. Mining difficulty and block reward will come to a balance. The mining will never die unless bitcoin encounters some fatal issues.
legendary
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November 16, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
#88
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving
In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.
I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

I guess I wasn't clear. You wrote that there is no way that miners could continue to mine if the reward was near zero and the price did not increase. My point is that mining will continue. If the price doesn't change over the next 9 halvings then the block reward will be around $15. People were mining when the block reward was $10. They will mine when it is $15.


those are only for people that already reached roi and there will be no more added equipments because there will be not enough profit for everyone, this mean that the network can not grow anymore with that tiny reward

anyway the point stand, before it was possible to mine with $10 in block reward because as i said, the hash was very poor, so there where no expensive bill cost in play, now it's different, they cannot mine with $15 when a bif farm is consuming 100k in electrcicity cost alone...

yeah they wil keep mining, but the total hash will be greatly reduced, which lead to an insecure network, you can't compare with the past
legendary
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November 16, 2015, 07:10:00 AM
#87
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving
In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.
I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

I guess I wasn't clear. You wrote that there is no way that miners could continue to mine if the reward was near zero and the price did not increase. My point is that mining will continue. If the price doesn't change over the next 9 halvings then the block reward will be around $15. People were mining when the block reward was $10. They will mine when it is $15.


I agree with this! Also chances that this will happen are near to zero so I guess that it makes no sense worrying about this or even discussing it!
IMO it should be a concern. Nowadays mining farms become centralized. They invested a lot of capital for the facility and paying a lot for electricity or maintaining fees.  If there is no profits made, what is the points of continuing to involving in mining and upgrading their old miners.
hero member
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November 16, 2015, 06:12:00 AM
#86
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving
In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.
I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

I guess I wasn't clear. You wrote that there is no way that miners could continue to mine if the reward was near zero and the price did not increase. My point is that mining will continue. If the price doesn't change over the next 9 halvings then the block reward will be around $15. People were mining when the block reward was $10. They will mine when it is $15.


I agree with this! Also chances that this will happen are near to zero so I guess that it makes no sense worrying about this or even discussing it!
legendary
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November 16, 2015, 04:52:57 AM
#85
Of course mining will continue: the actual big players could leave and make space for new players which are interested in it. There' no law that says that miners which are mining now are forced to continue later. I would love to see the distributed mining we had before even though I know that's not possible.
legendary
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November 16, 2015, 03:42:20 AM
#84
yeah with a lot less power in play, which mean with a lot much a lot less hash which translate with almost zero in electricity

running one cpu that consume 60w-90w at best all day, with 0.05 electrcicity back then(it was the same) it's like not consuming anything

Even 0.05 can affect the profit from mining, so the ideal situation is free electricity, and the halving is good for bitcoin.
legendary
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November 16, 2015, 03:35:06 AM
#83
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable
and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game
When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.
i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving

In 2010, miners were mining when the block reward was only $10, so your "there is no way miners can continue to mine..." is just plain wrong.

yeah with a lot less power in play, which mean with a lot much a lot less hash which translate with almost zero in electricity

running one cpu that consume 60w-90w at best all day, with 0.05 electrcicity back then(it was the same) it's like not consuming anything

I am disappointed by your answer, i thought you knew that back then it was very easy to mine bitcoin, because the  total hash was not-existing

1 guy could miner 1k btc in 3 days(i know this for fact because there was one guy that i knew that was mining that amount in the summer 2010), this mean a lot of money more than today, and all this with a mere cpu....no comparison at all
legendary
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November 15, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
#82
The Halving will increase prices to new levels. Say Good or Bad on this case It is according to the situation of each person.
sr. member
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November 15, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
#81
The miners will just use what they have and stop investing in more expensive machines. I know the price will go up even more if that happens.
hero member
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November 15, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
#80
The only thing actually bad about the halving is the fact that the price will go up, and we (by we I mean people like me that want to keep making more BTC to store for the long term) will have it harder. It was easier to buy BTC when it was 230, now at 100 dollars more, its getting hard to make BTC monthly.
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Vires in Numeris
November 15, 2015, 06:08:38 PM
#79
Are you expecting a slowly rising price or as we are coming closer and closer to the halving, price will raise exponencially in the end? What if something happens near to the halving that in normal circumstances would make the price to drop? The small news won't move the market coming closer and closer to the halving? Or the news will always be stronger than the effect of halving?
hero member
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November 15, 2015, 10:22:56 AM
#78
If there is no halving i think that the price will be decreased.
So more coins will be available at the market and the interest of people may not be popular.
Less coins in the market the price should be increased, so it is good and not bad for the Bitcoin.
legendary
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November 15, 2015, 09:21:11 AM
#77
Also an important factor, though still a bit taboo to talk about is the fact that there's an entire underground economy that's literally dependant on Bitcoin, which fuels demand tremendously.
Just think about the amount of Bitcoin in SR1's wallet....

So combine the reward halving with a steady demand that's only going to grow (in my opinion) and it seems inevitable that we'll see a steady price increase in the future.
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November 15, 2015, 08:49:34 AM
#76
Bitcoin is a scarce digital asset. The demand is rising as you can see with the help of rising transaction numbers. The supply will drop 50% in 07/2016.

Every time someone says that the "supply will drop 50%", God crushes a kitten. Please don't kill any more kittens.

The "supply" is not halved. The production is halved and there is a fundamental economic difference between the two.

....the daily supply of new minted coins will be reduced by 50%, right? ;-)
Yes, inflation will be reduced by 50%
legendary
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November 15, 2015, 04:51:36 AM
#75
well it depend because at some point if the price will not increase there will be zero incentive for them to mine, unless they have free electrcity, but even then if the price is very low, they can not add other equipments and the network will not grow and can be vulnerable

and i doubt every single miners out there will have free electricity in the best scenario, so many will simply leave the game

When you write things like "zero incentive", "free electricity", and "every single miner", you are being absurd. None of those apply. It isn't worth discussing.


i'm just stating the truth, and what will never happen, there is no way the miners can continue to mine when the reward is almost zero if the price do not increase with the halving

If I may ask, is it possible that the current price of bitcoin has already factored in the halfing?  And I mean this in an efficient market hypothesis kind of way.  I don't pretend to understand bitcoin fully, but this halving is known well in advance.

yeah and it's the reason why we are safe already for this halving, but for the next one we need again a price increase

i've calculated that miners can continue to mine even below $100(around 70) per btc until this halving, and below $200(or around that) for the next one and so on

but this is the minimum, their profit would be very insignificant....
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November 15, 2015, 03:12:32 AM
#74
Bitcoin is a scarce digital asset. The demand is rising as you can see with the help of rising transaction numbers. The supply will drop 50% in 07/2016.

Every time someone says that the "supply will drop 50%", God crushes a kitten. Please don't kill any more kittens.

The "supply" is not halved. The production is halved and there is a fundamental economic difference between the two.

....the daily supply of new minted coins will be reduced by 50%, right? ;-)
legendary
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November 14, 2015, 07:19:13 PM
#73
If I may ask, is it possible that the current price of bitcoin has already factored in the halfing?  And I mean this in an efficient market hypothesis kind of way.  I don't pretend to understand bitcoin fully, but this halving is known well in advance.
It could be that there's already a certain hype surrounding the next reward halving, but I think the recent price increase was more due to some positive news from China and possibly EU labelling Bitcoin as a currency.
I think it's still a bit early to tell, plus I would assume that the price will rise the most after halving, not before...
legendary
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November 14, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
#72
If I may ask, is it possible that the current price of bitcoin has already factored in the halfing?  And I mean this in an efficient market hypothesis kind of way.  I don't pretend to understand bitcoin fully, but this halving is known well in advance.
member
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November 14, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
#71
Bitcoin is a scarce digital asset. The demand is rising as you can see with the help of rising transaction numbers. The supply will drop 50% in 07/2016.

1) Demand for BTC rising permanently
2) Daily supply halving in 07/2016
3) Price skyrocketing before 07/2016 because of speculation
4) Price remaining significantly higher than before the price spike
5) The incentive for the miners will be held alive because of higher BTC price despite decreasing supply.

Thats just my personal opinion but also for sure a very likely scenario :-)
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