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Topic: The Holy Grail! I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face. - page 4. (Read 92719 times)

legendary
Activity: 1400
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Can you please explain the deposit part of the system, how and where to a user deposits money? Or the company running the server should handle this part?
OT doesn't work that way. It doesn't handle money - just obligations.

Another way to think of it is that OT handles liabilities, not assets.

For example, if you are running a Bitcoin wallet on your own computer (Bitcoin-Qt, Multibit, Armory, etc) and you have a balance, there is no counterparty risk associated with them: that balance represents an asset you control.

If you deposit your bitcoins on Mt Gox then you don't have bitcoins any more, you have a promise from Mt Gox to allow you to redeem a balance in their system for bitcoins - your balance on Mt Gox is their liability.

So, if you've got a system that creates liabilities, then OT is superior way to track these liabilities compared to the alternatives. Returning to the previous example, Mt Gox doesn't use anything more complicated than a MySQL table to track its liabilities. They don't give you cryptographically secure receipts, and if they choose to alter your balance (via a simple database command) there's nothing you could do about it. You can't even really prove that they owe you any bitcoins at all, at least for reasonable definitions of "prove".

Mt Gox isn't special in this way - all existing Bitcoin websites work pretty much the same way.

Your original question is backwards then. OT should be used where third parties are already depositing funds in order to add better security and functionality to the situation.
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1000
Antifragile
Holy shit balls, how did I miss this?

Sort of how Black Swans work.
I did see BTC at cents, but how did I miss getting in then?  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
Holy shit balls, how did I miss this?
full member
Activity: 208
Merit: 101
Can you please explain the deposit part of the system, how and where to a user deposits money? Or the company running the server should handle this part?
hero member
Activity: 793
Merit: 1026
Just wait until Moneychanger gains the ability to also act as a Bitcoin wallet too, transparently.

and be a color-coin enabled wallet....
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1000
Antifragile
Just a big WOW. This is something really incredible you are working on. Keep us updated!
Does seem a bit complicated, but surely things will be made a bit more easy for the average user.

Any issues with the app on IOS (being that it integrates payments) or do you see Apple giving in here?
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 2349
Eadem mutata resurgo
Amazing!
Is it already possible to build (at least beta version) of a public exchange, where actual exchanges can be performed, based on this?

short answer is yes.

... but be aware the learning curve for the backend server config/set-up is steep.
full member
Activity: 208
Merit: 101
Amazing!
Is it already possible to build (at least beta version) of a public exchange, where actual exchanges can be performed, based on this?
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 0
I can't wait to see what the near future holds for Moneychanger, and looking forward to your talk at the Austin Bitcoin Conference.
sr. member
Activity: 440
Merit: 251
fellowtraveler,

I see you're speaking at the Miami conference in a couple of weeks. Will you be discussing the technical details of OT during your talk? If not, would you consider a mini breakout session?

I suppose I could do a breakout session. I'll be walking around for a few days answering questions anyway I'm sure.

I suggest also checking out the wiki, the videos, etc.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
Not meaning to necro, but just wanted to make sure everyone got the latest update on this project.

I've just recorded some new videos showing the desktop client in action.

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INTRO:  http://goo.gl/Ea6rzq

Send/receive payment, invoicing, untraceable cash, namecoin integration, end-to-end encrypted messaging, etc.

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ADVANCED:   http://goo.gl/i0J3AF

Market trading, decentralized bazaar, virtual corporations, smart contracts, legacy banking integration, etc.

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Also, the videos reference a couple of articles. Here are the links to those articles:


Voting Pools: How to Stop the Plague of Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/voting-pools-how-to-stop-plague-of.html


Lex Cryptographia

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html



fellowtraveler,

I see you're speaking at the Miami conference in a couple of weeks. Will you be discussing the technical details of OT during your talk? If not, would you consider a mini breakout session?
member
Activity: 114
Merit: 10
Fantastic !

Thanks for presenting Pandora's box  Grin
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
I'm working hard on the bitcoin implementation right now, can't wait to see it in action either Smiley
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
Firstbits: Compromised. Thanks, Android!
Incredible.

I cannot wait to see this finally running full-steam.

Wish I'd noticed it when it first appeared in May.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1013
Impressed with the progress on this and inspired by what it means for all!
Just wait until Moneychanger gains the ability to also act as a Bitcoin wallet too, transparently.
hero member
Activity: 1223
Merit: 506
This is who we are.
Thanks for the update videos..  Impressed with the progress on this and inspired by what it means for all!
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1000
Enabling the maximal migration
Not meaning to necro, but just wanted to make sure everyone got the latest update on this project.

I've just recorded some new videos showing the desktop client in action.

----------------------------------------------------------

INTRO:  http://goo.gl/Ea6rzq

Send/receive payment, invoicing, untraceable cash, namecoin integration, end-to-end encrypted messaging, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

ADVANCED:   http://goo.gl/i0J3AF

Market trading, decentralized bazaar, virtual corporations, smart contracts, legacy banking integration, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

Also, the videos reference a couple of articles. Here are the links to those articles:


Voting Pools: How to Stop the Plague of Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/voting-pools-how-to-stop-plague-of.html


Lex Cryptographia

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html


Wow. Just wow. Watching this space intently.

I just got goosebumps. This has the potential to be epic.
sr. member
Activity: 303
Merit: 250
Not meaning to necro, but just wanted to make sure everyone got the latest update on this project.

I've just recorded some new videos showing the desktop client in action.

----------------------------------------------------------

INTRO:  http://goo.gl/Ea6rzq

Send/receive payment, invoicing, untraceable cash, namecoin integration, end-to-end encrypted messaging, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

ADVANCED:   http://goo.gl/i0J3AF

Market trading, decentralized bazaar, virtual corporations, smart contracts, legacy banking integration, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

Also, the videos reference a couple of articles. Here are the links to those articles:


Voting Pools: How to Stop the Plague of Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/voting-pools-how-to-stop-plague-of.html


Lex Cryptographia

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html


Wow. Just wow. Watching this space intently.
newbie
Activity: 51
Merit: 0
Thank you for your work. I think I will be trying to build an exchange using Open Transactions.
sr. member
Activity: 440
Merit: 251
Not meaning to necro, but just wanted to make sure everyone got the latest update on this project.

I've just recorded some new videos showing the desktop client in action.

----------------------------------------------------------

INTRO:  http://goo.gl/Ea6rzq

Send/receive payment, invoicing, untraceable cash, namecoin integration, end-to-end encrypted messaging, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

ADVANCED:   http://goo.gl/i0J3AF

Market trading, decentralized bazaar, virtual corporations, smart contracts, legacy banking integration, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------

Also, the videos reference a couple of articles. Here are the links to those articles:


Voting Pools: How to Stop the Plague of Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/voting-pools-how-to-stop-plague-of.html


Lex Cryptographia

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html
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