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About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.
I have no words with BB, they're better than Talon in terms of decision making. It's true that Talon just have to finish the game with that Dark willow carry of 23 savage but they're too salty when they get in to the mid tier 3 tower when they can take it slowly just like what they've done at the top of just pushing little by little and then destroy the tower. Those little decisions and mistakes turned the table that made BB did a come back.

That unkillable dark willow was already on point and already like immortal but it only has to take 1 mistake and 1 second of cool down and that's when they get in to the tier 3 mid tower. Very squishy and that muerta free hit all over all of them. Jabz was too salty and crazy together with 23savage, all of their efforts were wasted and they have to go home with that regret with the mistakes that they've done.

Talon game 2 mistake kinda lost their self confidence since they almost close the game while they have in complete advantage while they blow up the huge lead just because their support and cores got cocky on rushing the high ground.

Not only Jabs but Mikoto Rikimaru of Mikoto is one the main reason why BB recover since he always caught off guard due to his greediness while he can just patiently wait to caught Muerta off guard to give space for 23 to free hit which they failed to deliver until the end.
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About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.
I have no words with BB, they're better than Talon in terms of decision making. It's true that Talon just have to finish the game with that Dark willow carry of 23 savage but they're too salty when they get in to the mid tier 3 tower when they can take it slowly just like what they've done at the top of just pushing little by little and then destroy the tower. Those little decisions and mistakes turned the table that made BB did a come back.

That unkillable dark willow was already on point and already like immortal but it only has to take 1 mistake and 1 second of cool down and that's when they get in to the tier 3 mid tower. Very squishy and that muerta free hit all over all of them. Jabz was too salty and crazy together with 23savage, all of their efforts were wasted and they have to go home with that regret with the mistakes that they've done.

I don't expect Shopify Rebellion to win the series against TSM but I want them to win at least one map because I bet on them winning at least one map for Shopify Rebellion. Even if either TSM or Shopify Rebellion wins they won't be a match for the Noans. Gunnar has been playing very well in this tournament and has been carrying the entire team. They just couldn't manage to win against Azure Ray but they are definitely a top 4 team in this tournament.
One thing for Shopify Rebellion, sadly, they're just an overrated NA team.
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

I don't expect Shopify Rebellion to win the series against TSM but I want them to win at least one map because I bet on them winning at least one map for Shopify Rebellion. Even if either TSM or Shopify Rebellion wins they won't be a match for the Noans. Gunnar has been playing very well in this tournament and has been carrying the entire team. They just couldn't manage to win against Azure Ray but they are definitely a top 4 team in this tournament.
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.

I think you are correct about Rebellion. It feels like they might do better if they dispand and try to find other teams where they have more chemistry.
Also i did not see Talon loosing to BB! Now we get BB vs VP Cheesy I dont really even know who to bet on that one because its russian dota vs russian dota, you never know what happens there.

Their draft is a big trash while RTZ keep playing like an old turd that’s why they keep losing. The rest of the team is doing good while their carry is the one they are carrying on late game. RTZ is always the bottom of the cores on most of their game and it’s a clear sign that he is not meant for carry role already.

About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.
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It was just incredible matches from Virtus.pro!
I was very happy for them and glad that they won Entity.
Kiritych simply could not be stopped in the games on carry, his Templar Assisin with a rapier seemed invulnerable, and Chaos Knight like a locomotive ran over the entire team of the Entity. The Virtus.Pro team is strong and complex, and I think many will now think about betting on them. Their path now resembles Team Spirit when they won the International.
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.

I think you are correct about Rebellion. It feels like they might do better if they dispand and try to find other teams where they have more chemistry.
Also i did not see Talon loosing to BB! Now we get BB vs VP Cheesy I dont really even know who to bet on that one because its russian dota vs russian dota, you never know what happens there.
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Virtus.pros were definitely very strong and I think that now they believe in themselves, even if they lost to Team Spirit. But they realized own power. Everyone has already realized that Magnus, Kunkka, Bristleback, Spectrum, Baratrum are very strong in the current meta. It is not difficult to notice that these are heroes with the Strength parameter, and now the teams have seen this and will adjust their peaks to this.

Well, there is very little time left before the Tundra - Entity match, and we will find out who the will play against VP...
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Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.
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The International 2023 Playoffs — Day 2 Standings. Unexpected Nouns make it through.
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What is Shopify doing? Such a disappointment. First game with Willow on RTZ, never really got it going and then game 2 with Morph while giving away SD and Kasane's special Lycan who has 70+ win % on his 2nd most picked hero. Lycan, Luna, Snap.. just push way too hard and there's Mag with a big ult to save, incase things don't go as planned. TSM advances and sets up a date with Nouns.
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VP vs Team Spirit. The team in red hot form, Team Spirit seem to be in danger. Spirit lost game 1 and honestly, for game 2, I like VP's draft. it's gonna be interesting if Team spirit does lose 2-0 after looking unbeatable in the road to TI.

VP is putting on a real fight! Did not really see this coming. I think we will see a game 3. I am expecting them to win the third game but still a really stron gplay by VP. - OMG THAT GAME 2 END!
As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)

Yes, no one expected that Team Spirit would receive such strong resistance from Virtus.Pro, and such strong resistance that many began to think that Team Spirit would not be able to win. This was noticeable in the odds changing from match to match. Bookmakers already after the first map began to give almost equal odds for the victories of both teams!
Nevertheless, Tim Spirit was able to control his emotions and show an incredible level, especially Yatoro playing Muerta, and then Sven.
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As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)

Looks like that prediction aged well Cheesy

As for the upcoming games. Im realy not sure who takes Liquid vs Spirit. Maybe Liquid has an upper hand but you never know with Team Spirit. I can see it going to 3 games however.
LGD vs AR should be pretty set, LGD should have no issues taking them on. From lower bracket i think both Talons and Virtus Pro will move on. Hard to say about others, they showed a very lackluster performance.

The 1st round on the Upper Bracket is very predictable since most of the winner are the heavy favorite.

I won’t put Team Spirit as underdog against Liquid since their last match on the Riyadh Master Finals was a disaster against Liquid. Team Spirit is very strong on this TI and they have a chance to 2-0 Liquid on their upcoming match.

Agreed on LGD beating AR because AR rarely won against LGD even on their local tournament.
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Standings after Day 1


Upcoming games. It's lower bracket time!! No more chances in TI, if you lose, you are out.



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As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)

Looks like that prediction aged well Cheesy

As for the upcoming games. Im realy not sure who takes Liquid vs Spirit. Maybe Liquid has an upper hand but you never know with Team Spirit. I can see it going to 3 games however.
LGD vs AR should be pretty set, LGD should have no issues taking them on. From lower bracket i think both Talons and Virtus Pro will move on. Hard to say about others, they showed a very lackluster performance.
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Team Spirit survived a well-spirited effort by VP. Somehow Team Spirit showed vulnerability in the series while LGD Gaming showed somewhat a flawless performance over 9 Pandas. Liquid also dispatched Talon in the upper bracket, the dark horse in this tournament. It will be very exciting to watch as powerhouse Liquid faces Team Spirit will face off next.

Meanwhile, in the last series of today, Azure Ray the other Chinese team did a short work on nouns in game 1. Would love to see nouns bring something different in game 2. The winner of this series will face LGD Gaming.
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VP vs Team Spirit. The team in red hot form, Team Spirit seem to be in danger. Spirit lost game 1 and honestly, for game 2, I like VP's draft. it's gonna be interesting if Team spirit does lose 2-0 after looking unbeatable in the road to TI.

VP is putting on a real fight! Did not really see this coming. I think we will see a game 3. I am expecting them to win the third game but still a really stron gplay by VP. - OMG THAT GAME 2 END!
As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)

They are playing superb right now and also the draft on map 3 is looking solid as both Spectre and WK are having a mega patch right now with both of them being super hard to take down during a fight.

True! That ending on 2nd map was not so easy to watch as I had a bet on Spirit 2nd map Smiley) and when I saw Larl and his Puck diving near Tier 4 towers and die ...I said to myself that there is no way Spirit wins anymore but once again Yatoro proved he is still one of the best carries in Europe and maybe in the world.
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VP vs Team Spirit. The team in red hot form, Team Spirit seem to be in danger. Spirit lost game 1 and honestly, for game 2, I like VP's draft. it's gonna be interesting if Team spirit does lose 2-0 after looking unbeatable in the road to TI.

VP is putting on a real fight! Did not really see this coming. I think we will see a game 3. I am expecting them to win the third game but still a really stron gplay by VP. - OMG THAT GAME 2 END!
As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)
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VP vs Team Spirit. The team in red hot form, Team Spirit seem to be in danger. Spirit lost game 1 and honestly, for game 2, I like VP's draft. it's gonna be interesting if Team spirit does lose 2-0 after looking unbeatable in the road to TI.
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Crazy scenes as Nouns (the America's last hope) beat Tundra 2-0. Now Azure Ray are absolutely demolishing Entity  with some really strong performance. Spirit breaker seems to be a popular hero this TI. Loads of teams picking him up with mixed results.

Just look at that wombo combo from Nouns. Just perfect! (Twitch clip)

For sure Spirit Breaker will receive a nerf in the next patch along with Muerta after this tournament. Currently Spirit Breaker is the highest win rate among the top 10 most picked heroes in this tournament.With Octarine, Shadow Blade, BKB, and Aghanim's Scepter – now your Spirit Breaker is unkillable and unlimted skill like youre playing demo with Free Spell checked. Haha
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023/Statistics

Watched Game 2 between Azure Ray and Entity, Entity was about to make a comeback if Spirit Breaker (played by Gabbi) hadn't died solo. This situation provided Azure Ray with an opportunity to end the game early.


Agreed to this, I watch the game when Team Spirit use this here against Shopify. The carry hero can’t do anything on the clash once target by Spirit Breaker due to unlimited push while he can result immediately using BKB or SB.

That greater bash skills is too OP with the current buff on damage scaling per speed. This is the favorite hero of collapse which can give a game changing result with just one clash while he is still farming. You’re right that this hero will be nerfed soon since the charge speed and bash is too pesky that makes him effective on all aspect of the game(push, gank and team fight).



What match on the Upper Bracket that you think will result to upset match? I’m thinking about Talon beating Team Liquid this time unless 23Savage will still do early celebrate while the match is still on.  Cheesy Grin
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