The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread - page 3.

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Quote from: xLays on October 17, 2023, 07:13:17 PM

Quote from: vennali on October 15, 2023, 10:36:32 PM

Crazy scenes as Nouns (the America's last hope) beat Tundra 2-0. Now Azure Ray are absolutely demolishing Entity with some really strong performance. Spirit breaker seems to be a popular hero this TI. Loads of teams picking him up with mixed results.

Just look at that wombo combo from Nouns. Just perfect! (Twitch clip)

For sure Spirit Breaker will receive a nerf in the next patch along with Muerta after this tournament. Currently Spirit Breaker is the highest win rate among the top 10 most picked heroes in this tournament.With Octarine, Shadow Blade, BKB, and Aghanim's Scepter – now your Spirit Breaker is unkillable and unlimted skill like youre playing demo with Free Spell checked. Haha
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023/Statistics

Watched Game 2 between Azure Ray and Entity, Entity was about to make a comeback if Spirit Breaker (played by Gabbi) hadn't died solo. This situation provided Azure Ray with an opportunity to end the game early.

If we take the top 10 most chosen heroes, then I like everyone except Vengeful Spirit, because we could often see her on other TI's. Don't forget Chaos Knight, who closes the top 10 most chosen heroes. His winning percentage is even higher than Spirit Breaker, even though he has one less game. A staggering 65.38%! These 3 heroes are in for a nerf.

At this TI12 they will announce a new hero and, as usual, they will make him stronger than the other heroes so that everyone will play for him like they did with Muerta. It’s quite logical to do this every time so that users get used to new heroes. On the other hand, don’t make him weak, then who will choose him.

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Quote from: vennali on October 15, 2023, 10:36:32 PM

Crazy scenes as Nouns (the America's last hope) beat Tundra 2-0. Now Azure Ray are absolutely demolishing Entity with some really strong performance. Spirit breaker seems to be a popular hero this TI. Loads of teams picking him up with mixed results.

Just look at that wombo combo from Nouns. Just perfect! (Twitch clip)

For sure Spirit Breaker will receive a nerf in the next patch along with Muerta after this tournament. Currently Spirit Breaker is the highest win rate among the top 10 most picked heroes in this tournament.With Octarine, Shadow Blade, BKB, and Aghanim's Scepter – now your Spirit Breaker is unkillable and unlimted skill like youre playing demo with Free Spell checked. Haha
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023/Statistics

Watched Game 2 between Azure Ray and Entity, Entity was about to make a comeback if Spirit Breaker (played by Gabbi) hadn't died solo. This situation provided Azure Ray with an opportunity to end the game early.

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Quote from: summonerrk on October 17, 2023, 04:06:07 PM

Quote from: sompitonov on October 17, 2023, 07:46:23 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 16, 2023, 12:04:22 PM

I am really looking forward to the Team Spirit vs Virtus.pro, Team Liquid vs Talon Esports. Going to be great showing for who can take the whole thing tho LGD can never really be dismissed.
From the lower bracket i want to see Tundra move forward, they were great till they fumbeled in the seeding round.

I agree with you, I most want to watch the confrontation between Team Spirit and Virtus.pro. I also have close attention to Nouns, who defeated Tundra with the help of the Witch doctor and the Ogre Magi. TI's games continues to amaze like all the previous ones, I am wildly looking forward to these games, and I wanted them to start as soon as possible. I adore this Dota holiday!

The TI12 group stage was watched by more people than TI11 and the most popular game was Team Spirit vs Shopify Rebellion - at its peak it attracted 748k viewers. Despite the significantly reduced prize fund, the number of spectators not only decreased, but increased. This is a surprise for me. Tongue

Russian Dota 2 streamer with the nickname "NS" released a music about Gabe Newell in which he asks to improve the balance and DPC seasons Cheesy

It sounds impressive, but unfortunately, in any case, after the confrontation between Team Spirit and Virtus.pro in the championship, in any case, one of the Russian teams will be rejected from top places. I much prefer watching matches between teams from different parts of the world.
It’s surprising that more people watched TI12 than TI11, because today I watched an interview from pro players about how there seemed to be no soul in this TI, and they were upset that there was no feeling of celebration. Apparently this does not affect their games in any way. This is amazing.

Why it would really be having no soul? Because of Prize pool? This isnt the only thing that sparks out someone on playing Dota or this tourney just for the sake of that but also it would really be that for the glory on proving out themselves that they are the best of all those teams that currently existing on dota scene.It is really just that it turns out that this years battle pass and accumulation isnt really just that something that valve that really get used to focus on or on whatever the plans that they do really have in mind. In every year then there's really that a significant growth in terms of number of players and the people who do see around.
Not everything would really be that just basing or depending on the money or prize pool but this is something that would be talking on whose the best and despite of being low in terms of prize but doesnt mean
that teams would really be losing up their will to fight for the top spot. This is the main thing that on every dota players and supporters that been eyeing on no matter what would be the pool or prizes that connects into it,
it doesnt really just that circles around with that area.

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Quote from: sompitonov on October 17, 2023, 07:46:23 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 16, 2023, 12:04:22 PM

I am really looking forward to the Team Spirit vs Virtus.pro, Team Liquid vs Talon Esports. Going to be great showing for who can take the whole thing tho LGD can never really be dismissed.
From the lower bracket i want to see Tundra move forward, they were great till they fumbeled in the seeding round.

I agree with you, I most want to watch the confrontation between Team Spirit and Virtus.pro. I also have close attention to Nouns, who defeated Tundra with the help of the Witch doctor and the Ogre Magi. TI's games continues to amaze like all the previous ones, I am wildly looking forward to these games, and I wanted them to start as soon as possible. I adore this Dota holiday!

The TI12 group stage was watched by more people than TI11 and the most popular game was Team Spirit vs Shopify Rebellion - at its peak it attracted 748k viewers. Despite the significantly reduced prize fund, the number of spectators not only decreased, but increased. This is a surprise for me. Tongue

Russian Dota 2 streamer with the nickname "NS" released a music about Gabe Newell in which he asks to improve the balance and DPC seasons Cheesy

It sounds impressive, but unfortunately, in any case, after the confrontation between Team Spirit and Virtus.pro in the championship, in any case, one of the Russian teams will be rejected from top places. I much prefer watching matches between teams from different parts of the world.
It’s surprising that more people watched TI12 than TI11, because today I watched an interview from pro players about how there seemed to be no soul in this TI, and they were upset that there was no feeling of celebration. Apparently this does not affect their games in any way. This is amazing.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 16, 2023, 12:04:22 PM

I am really looking forward to the Team Spirit vs Virtus.pro, Team Liquid vs Talon Esports. Going to be great showing for who can take the whole thing tho LGD can never really be dismissed.
From the lower bracket i want to see Tundra move forward, they were great till they fumbeled in the seeding round.

I agree with you, I most want to watch the confrontation between Team Spirit and Virtus.pro. I also have close attention to Nouns, who defeated Tundra with the help of the Witch doctor and the Ogre Magi. TI's games continues to amaze like all the previous ones, I am wildly looking forward to these games, and I wanted them to start as soon as possible. I adore this Dota holiday!

The TI12 group stage was watched by more people than TI11 and the most popular game was Team Spirit vs Shopify Rebellion - at its peak it attracted 748k viewers. Despite the significantly reduced prize fund, the number of spectators not only decreased, but increased. This is a surprise for me. Tongue

Russian Dota 2 streamer with the nickname "NS" released a music about Gabe Newell in which he asks to improve the balance and DPC seasons Cheesy

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 16, 2023, 12:04:22 PM

I am really looking forward to the Team Spirit vs Virtus.pro, Team Liquid vs Talon Esports. Going to be great showing for who can take the whole thing tho LGD can never really be dismissed.

For Team Spirit and Virtus.Pro, I am one-sided on this match. Since the start of this TI12, Team Spirit has had a 100% winning rate and it's likely that they'll continue their campaign in the upper bracket with that percentage. I am not belittling Virtus.Pro but Team Spirit is no doubt on a complete high level of Dota 2 this time. And for Liquid and Talon, as long as 23savage won't be bitter and won't do such actions that will likely throw the match, they have a chance against Team Liquid.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 16, 2023, 12:04:22 PM

From the lower bracket i want to see Tundra move forward, they were great till they fumbeled in the seeding round.

The lower bracket is like the bracket that is full of gangsters and only one of them will reign to the finals. We can also think of those losers from the upper bracket going down and that's why it's always the hardest road to the finals so, history speaking, Team Liquid(former Nigma roster) did their way there and proved themselves to be a strong team on their prime. Oh well, that was like a several years ago and they're past their primes these days.

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Quote from: vennali on October 16, 2023, 07:39:46 AM

TI 12 playoff brackets for reaching the main event.

I am really looking forward to the Team Spirit vs Virtus.pro, Team Liquid vs Talon Esports. Going to be great showing for who can take the whole thing tho LGD can never really be dismissed.
From the lower bracket i want to see Tundra move forward, they were great till they fumbeled in the seeding round.

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TI 12 playoff brackets for reaching the main event.

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Quote from: len01 on October 16, 2023, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: AbuBhakar on October 15, 2023, 01:48:15 PM

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I admit that I am very far behind the Dota 2 and about this competition, I almost forgot all the best players in the past and as far as I remember when I was still playing Dota 2 and still following information about this game around 2015/2016 and after that I left this game and only come to place bets at every IT start.

Quote from: summonerrk on October 15, 2023, 04:14:46 PM

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yep, as long as I place bets on TI, I occasionally watch and look for information about several teams and I see that Team Spirit seems to be very strong at the moment and has not even been defeated and its only natural that the bookie favors Team Spirit.

BTW, there are several new heroes in Dota 2 that I did not know about before and several Dota 2 items that have changed names, but what I remember is that I like Invoker.

The beauty of TI is that you can watch it without even knowing the players and the past of the teams. Just choose the team that is closest to you, maybe it's a team from a country that is not far from you. That's why I was rooting for Team Spirit in the TI I wrote to you about. Now they are one of the favorites and it is better not to bet on them anymore, because the tournament is full of little-known but promising teams.

Invoker is my favorite hero, he hasn't changed yet.
Unless you probably missed his improvements to multiple sunstrikes and meteorites.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on October 15, 2023, 01:48:15 PM

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I admit that I am very far behind the Dota 2 and about this competition, I almost forgot all the best players in the past and as far as I remember when I was still playing Dota 2 and still following information about this game around 2015/2016 and after that I left this game and only come to place bets at every IT start.

Quote from: summonerrk on October 15, 2023, 04:14:46 PM

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yep, as long as I place bets on TI, I occasionally watch and look for information about several teams and I see that Team Spirit seems to be very strong at the moment and has not even been defeated and its only natural that the bookie favors Team Spirit.

BTW, there are several new heroes in Dota 2 that I did not know about before and several Dota 2 items that have changed names, but what I remember is that I like Invoker.

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Crazy scenes as Nouns (the America's last hope) beat Tundra 2-0. Now Azure Ray are absolutely demolishing Entity with some really strong performance. Spirit breaker seems to be a popular hero this TI. Loads of teams picking him up with mixed results.

Just look at that wombo combo from Nouns. Just perfect! (Twitch clip)

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Quote from: len01 on October 15, 2023, 07:46:28 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 02:55:20 PM

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

ah, it seems I missed the news regarding this thread.

I used to be active in Dota 2 but unfortunately I left for a long time and I still remember the glory days of NaVi when there were Dendi and Puppey. do you still remember Dendi using Pudge and Peppey using Chen and trying to do Hook to Fountain? I am sure you still remember. Grin

but those interesting times have changed and everything does not look like it used to be, I am even little disappointed that Team Secret could not qualify to appear at TI12 Cry

Just like you, after this match I stopped watching Dota 2 matches on stage for a long time. The use of the God Hook bug was incredible, leading the guys to victory. Nevertheless, I advise you to watch the TI where Team Spirit became the champions.
It was an incredible tournament! Unknown guys became champions, although they were unknown to anyone. And all this without using bugs, nevertheless, they had one imba - their faith in everyone who sits next to them on the team.

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LGD Gaming vs Keyd Stars ended with the expected score of 2-0. Incredibly boring match. They are similar to Team Spirit games, which destroy everyone without a chance. Now I’m looking forward to the “CIS battle” of BetBoom vs 9Pandas, from this game I expect the most spectacular playoff match, maybe it will even compare with yesterday’s great game Talon.

Too many users believe in the victory of BetBoom Team, one bookmaker shows that 96% users bet on them. I would go against the crowd and bet on 9Pandas with odds of x2.80. Even if they lose the odds look very good at least to me. Going against crowd the smart move, even in our crypto sphere. Wink

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Quote from: len01 on October 15, 2023, 07:46:28 AM

ah, it seems I missed the news regarding this thread.

I used to be active in Dota 2 but unfortunately I left for a long time and I still remember the glory days of NaVi when there were Dendi and Puppey. do you still remember Dendi using Pudge and Peppey using Chen and trying to do Hook to Fountain? I am sure you still remember. Grin

I’m not active on playing Dota2 either but I’m updated on the patches as well as the teams since I’m always watching tournaments. Judging on your comment seems you are way too long outdated on Dota2 since Navi is one of the oldest team that become popular on the Dota2 pro scene.

Quote from: len01 on October 15, 2023, 07:46:28 AM

but those interesting times have changed and everything does not look like it used to be, I am even little disappointed that Team Secret could not qualify to appear at TI12 Cry

What year you last watch Team Secret matches because they are not that really strong anymore with their current line-up. They have a good run last year on TI finishing 2nd place but that’s it. They already change roster which makes them back at square one on building strong team.

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Quote from: vennali on October 14, 2023, 10:21:24 PM

Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

That was unexpected honestly, everybody thought that Talon Esports would be knocked out too easily and they'll be sent to the lower bracket but then, they've just beaten the team that's considered the strongest for this year because of their achievements in so many tournaments that have passed. But that's it, a team changes into beast form when they're on the appearance on TI, and GG wasn't the strongest one. Maybe they'll also have the motto just as the old Team Liquid that upper bracket is just for the b****es and that's why they'll go the hard way and we will see if they will.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 15, 2023, 02:51:35 AM

That game was insane! I was up way too long looking at that one lol!
I checked out the Shopify Rebellion vs Team Spirit in the morning and i have to say that RTZ is really underwhelming. The team in Rebellion is actually playing well but damn, but it really feels its the carry... sad as that is.

Many have counted for Shopify Rebellion but that match of theirs wasn't for them and Arteezy seems to have a different build shop because he didn't buy to have BKB. Isn't he the same as the SEA pub players who don't wanna buy a BKB? LOL, that's like the comment that I have seen in every post pertaining to their match against Team Spirit but even with that, Team Spirit is just as strong as they have always been.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 02:55:20 PM

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

ah, it seems I missed the news regarding this thread.

I used to be active in Dota 2 but unfortunately I left for a long time and I still remember the glory days of NaVi when there were Dendi and Puppey. do you still remember Dendi using Pudge and Peppey using Chen and trying to do Hook to Fountain? I am sure you still remember. Grin

but those interesting times have changed and everything does not look like it used to be, I am even little disappointed that Team Secret could not qualify to appear at TI12 Cry

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Quote from: vennali on October 14, 2023, 10:21:24 PM

Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

That game was insane! I was up way too long looking at that one lol!
I checked out the Shopify Rebellion vs Team Spirit in the morning and i have to say that RTZ is really underwhelming. The team in Rebellion is actually playing well but damn, but it really feels its the carry... sad as that is.

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Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

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Quote from: vennali on October 14, 2023, 01:04:32 PM

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Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. Grin

Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

To be fair. Shopify has the chance to get game 1 with their early lead. They almost have the complete control over the map. I’m not sure what RTZ thinking for buying Midas while they are on lead instead of focusing on damage items or BKB which he badly needed. He is back again on farming game mentality.

Shopify is great team if they will have a better carry. Abed talent is wasted on team like this which can’t be rely on late game despite with a good early start. RTZ gameplay is so outdated. His game style is like the old chinese meta which is a farming game until late game before he become aggressive despite they have the lead. I dodge this bullet bet tonight. Cheesy

Buying Midas while leading is actually a good way to extend the lead even further, especially if the hero has a lot of pushing power or benefits from the attack speed. With his TB in game 1, I guess he became overconfident on the rotations that his team is making against TS. I mean, they were 13-0 on the first 20 minutes of the game. That's the thing though, he never though that TS could easily target him in a clash, and the opposing team is ready to throw bodies in order to just get him in that clash and gain a huge exp and gold swing. If he skipped Midas, went straight Manta to BKB, they could have had a huge pushing pressure against TS, but it seems that Artour is still busy farming up until the last second of that first game. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: vennali on October 14, 2023, 01:08:42 PM

Upcoming matches, my picks would be. Spirit, LGD, 9Pandas, VP, Liquid, Tundra, Gamin, Entity. Let's see how it goes.

The ones that are at the top will be matched today but on the bottom ones, they'll be by tomorrow. Team Spirit and Virtus.Pro secures the upper bracket and these are both CIS teams, they truly are strong. And the match that is happening now is with Team Liquid and EG, I think that this shouldn't be a question as the crowd's favorite is Team Liquid on this one. But who knows if EG will be able to snatch this series against Team Liquid, right? I'll wait until the match ends. It seems that there are a lot of CIS teams that could go to the upper bracket. I think that's so much better so that they can beat each other while the other teams from other regions can avoid them on the bracketing. After Team Liquid and EG, cast your bets with Talon and GG, which team you are going to bet on this one? GG is the favorite but Talon is like a random team that could beat them, LOL. Why I've said that? Sometimes 23savage plays unusually and moves like a thrower.

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