The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread - page 6.

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Quote from: Darker45 on October 10, 2023, 09:33:25 PM

OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

This has been updated 2-3 hours ago. There was no info regarding that until now. I will be updating at least once a day, until TI ends. Hopefully from now on, the excitement will build on!

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OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

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Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

Team Secret~ Nisha, MATUMBAMAN, zai, YapzOr, Puppey

There is no Team Secret on TI12 (2023) but Zai and Nisha are participating through their recent team which is Team Liquid.

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

Virtus.pro~ Nightfall, gpk, DM, Save-, Kingslayer

This is an old roster of VP, the new roster consists of Kiritych~, squad1x, Noticed, sayuw, and Fng.

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

Invictus Gaming~ flyfly, Emo, JT-, Kaka, Oli

There is no IG on this TI12 (2023).

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

Evil Geniuses~ Arteezy, Abed, iceiceice, Cr1t-, Fly

They are now former EG but their new team name is Shopify Rebellion which they will also participate on this TI. There's a new EG roster the South American boys.

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

PSG.LGD~ Ame, NothingToSay, Faith_bian, XinQ, y`

Ame and Faith_Bian have already retired and they're no longer part of PSG.LGD. However, PSG.LGD is named now as LGD gaming because PSG sponsors now Quest so that makes PSG Quest.

Anyway, the list keeps on going for the edit and you'll surely need a lot of time for it. This is the list of participating teams for your reference mate: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023

Quote from: vennali on October 09, 2023, 02:56:06 AM

Who are you rooting for?

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 04:23:19 AM

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years.
A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Yeah, no battle pass and because of that, there's not much hype or increase in the number of people playing Dota right before TI. I think its a conscious move from valve's part to devalue TI so that the other tournaments become a lot more significant. There won't be as haphazard roaster changes like it happens before and after TI. On the long run, it might be better for players on the whole I suppose. So, that everyone is not underpressure to win or perform extraordinarily well to even carry on with Dota as a career.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 04:23:19 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 09, 2023, 03:59:54 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

Same feels about this year's TI.

I've started playing Dota at the age of 13 when it is still Dota1, my friends taught me how to play it, and it has been my go-to game up to this date. When I transitioned to Dota2, I've been always excited to watch these players clash for the TI tournament, as the yearly tournament progresses like its prize pool it gets more interesting to watch. However this year's TI doesn't beat the last one, it is okay from my view but it would be great if they did. BUT I would disagree that teams won't try hard to win the TI, it is every players dream to actually hold the TI's trophy, more than the money they could get out of the tournament.

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 04:23:19 AM

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

This might be disappointing but we know valve, they aren't perfect and they will learn from this. Dota has million of fans that will support the tournaments and they know it, not just this year Huh

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 04:23:19 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 09, 2023, 03:59:54 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Buying up that compendium is shit and not really worth. You would really be only getting those shiny stickers and some chatwheel. Yes, its cheap but not really that liking to buy but some of my friends did really purchase
that level 1 and trying out to grind their level until they would really be able to reach out that level 300 which you could have that plaque of Aegis which it isnt really that bad to be some sort of collectors item.
Even myself did really get disappointed that we havent seen those shiny and glorious arcanas that we do have on last years or in previous Battle pass but now this year do really sucks.
Some said that arcana and battle pass would really be after of this tournament. So whats the point on launching it late? Lots of people do really get disappointed on this one including myself.
We've been waitng for a whole year and since pandemic has been lift up then we are expecting that huge crowd on this years TI but turns out to be a huge disappointment.

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I want to root for TL but the odds look deceiving when Team Spirit and Shopify Rebellion could continue to roll over the teams they meet while the previous top teams (GG and TL) are still in recovery mode.

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Maybe they want us to view the scene similarly to League's tournaments since it's gaining success despite the smaller prize pool. I also have the same expectation for this year's TI but I hope the teams prove us wrong and still show some top-tier Dota when every part of the DPC season this year comes down to this main tournament.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 04:23:19 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 09, 2023, 03:59:54 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Btw, i agree that the compendium this year really does not live up to the standard set by Valve themselves. I think the prizepool is still large enough tho, and i am sure it will keep growing aswell!
This seems to be a general trend however (im not 100% certain how big of a role this plays, but im certain it does) that a lot of esports leagues are pulling back prizepools if not shutting down entirely. The entire e-sports industry was way too overvalued and expenses way too high.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 09, 2023, 03:59:54 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 09, 2023, 03:06:46 AM

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

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Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

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We are just a few days away from the kick off of the biggest eSports tournament of the year, TI 12. The twelfth annual edition of The International starts on 12th October, which will take place at Seattle, Washington.
Unlike previous years, The International for this year is split into two distinct phases; the group stage and playoffs (until top Cool

are announced as under the phase The Road to The International, while the playoffs for the remaining 8 teams are announced as The International itself.

Current prize pool

TI 12 prize at the time of writing : $2,937,639

In this year's Group Stage format, four groups of five teams will play round-robin games over two days, with the bottom team in each group getting eliminated. Then, the second half of Group Stage begins, with head-to-head matches between the remaining 16 teams. Victory in these final matches determine placement for Playoffs weekend: The winning teams will enter Playoffs in the Upper Bracket, the losing teams in the Lower Bracket. Here are this year's groups:

Will edit in the teams and its logos as more info is available along with the updated prizepool. The fixtures should be officially available in a day or two.

Who are you rooting for?

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