The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread - page 4.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on October 14, 2023, 11:31:49 AM

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. Grin

Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Obviously it was just a mistake, i have even seen some local dota 2 page showing up those bracket match ups which TS vs SR showing repeatedly which it is really just that an obvious mistake.
For sure it has been fixed because we know on whose really that against with Team Spirit. Im watching now live TS vs SR which TS did get the game 1 and the current game is really just that a
match up. Dont know if SR would really be able to pull this one considering their line up is really that tanky and have that burst. Earth spirt of Abed once again could be seen which we know that hes really that
good with this hero but still they shouldn't really be that too confident considering that TS are really that also one of the comeback kings specially when the game is already taking too long or simply
long game. This is where they do really like to snowball. They are still undefeated therefore i could assume that its likely they would be closing this game dominating 2-0.

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Quote from: vennali on October 14, 2023, 12:04:32 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on October 14, 2023, 11:31:49 AM

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. Grin

Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

To be fair. Shopify has the chance to get game 1 with their early lead. They almost have the complete control over the map. I’m not sure what RTZ thinking for buying Midas while they are on lead instead of focusing on damage items or BKB which he badly needed. He is back again on farming game mentality.

Shopify is great team if they will have a better carry. Abed talent is wasted on team like this which can’t be rely on late game despite with a good early start. RTZ gameplay is so outdated. His game style is like the old chinese meta which is a farming game until late game before he become aggressive despite they have the lead. I dodge this bullet bet tonight. Cheesy

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Upcoming matches, my picks would be. Spirit, LGD, 9Pandas, VP, Liquid, Tundra, Gamin, Entity. Let's see how it goes.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on October 14, 2023, 11:31:49 AM

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. Grin

Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 14, 2023, 11:23:37 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on October 14, 2023, 07:18:15 AM

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

Ogre has always been one of my most favourite heroes, even when he was nowhere near the meta. Just the face he makes and the possiblities the multicasts brought to him, he was a complete terror in bith low ranked games and in public games. I also agree that a patch wont likely happen. But overall looking at all the heroes, only 10 heroes remain not used. Thats actually pretty good!

This was the first hero I played in dota, and thanks to the simplicity of his skills, they can be played effectively at any ranks, even at the lowest. One of the great advantages of TI is that you can see how well professionals are able to use all the effectiveness of any hero and thus you can emphasize a lot of new knowledge for yourself. That's because it's a money game. Quite not small amounts

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Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. Grin

Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

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Quote from: summonerrk on October 14, 2023, 07:18:15 AM

Quote from: sompitonov on October 14, 2023, 06:04:29 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 14, 2023, 03:38:34 AM

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 Cheesy

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

Ogre has always been one of my most favourite heroes, even when he was nowhere near the meta. Just the face he makes and the possiblities the multicasts brought to him, he was a complete terror in bith low ranked games and in public games. I also agree that a patch wont likely happen. But overall looking at all the heroes, only 10 heroes remain not used. Thats actually pretty good!

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Quote from: sompitonov on October 14, 2023, 06:04:29 AM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 14, 2023, 03:38:34 AM

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 Cheesy

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 14, 2023, 03:38:34 AM

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 Cheesy

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

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I was hyped for this type of format but after 2 days , the amount of games have been cut in half and I was used to see 12 hours per day of Dota during the first 3 days of TI but this new format took it all away Sad

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Anyway , I think Shopify will make a big surprise today and eliminate Spirit in lower bracket and if that happens , I think Spirit can clear that Lower Bracket without any problems Grin

as only luck can defeat them right now.

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Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

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Quote from: summonerrk on October 14, 2023, 01:49:11 AM

I haven't had much time to follow the games yet, however, I am very surprised that Team Spirit continues to show such a stable result. This cannot speak of anything else but true professionalism, even though the composition has changed.
I am sure that they will enter the top three on this championship, because they are looks like a single organism, as LGD. Gaming and any asian strong team.
Yatoro the best.

What surprised me the most was PSG Quest's early exit in Phase One. I never thought they would be eliminated so soon especially when they were in the same bracket as Talon Esport and Keyd Stars the teams I thought would be the ones to exit in my opinion.

Phase Two matches are so exciting and predictable. I have bet all the teams in the rows above. Thoughts?

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Quote from: vennali on October 13, 2023, 11:43:41 PM

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I haven't had much time to follow the games yet, however, I am very surprised that Team Spirit continues to show such a stable result. This cannot speak of anything else but true professionalism, even though the composition has changed.
I am sure that they will enter the top three on this championship, because they are looks like a single organism, as LGD. Gaming and any asian strong team.
Yatoro the best.

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That was real quick. Of all the teams that got eliminated, I really did not expect PSG Quest. The team has never been the same since losing ATF.

A solid start by Team Spirit which is so far living its hype. This is the strongest start so far by Team Spirit in TI. Prior to this, I was expecting Gaimin Gladiators and BetBoom to dominate this TI but those teams already suffered losses; although I am confident they will stay in the upper bracket.

It's hard to watch and focus on the games since they're starting in the middle of the night here. So far I am only 1-1 on my bets with 1.50sh odds which means I am losing and need to bounce back.

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The group stage has ended, here are the final standings of the road to TI12.

Only team Spirit goes undefeated into the next phase. While PSG Quest, Team SMG, Thunder Awaken and Beastcoast get eliminated.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 11, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

If you say a lot has changed for TI Dota 2 then it's true and at the start of this year tournament it is really very difficult to predict who will be superior and every match that has taken place is completely different from the matches at the previous TI.
Maybe all this is because there are changes in players in each team and there are also many teams with new names taking part in or being able to qualify for tournaments which now add to the number of prizes which are also getting bigger every year.

Of course, TI 3 was different because only 16 teams participated with Alliance winning and at that time Dota was not as popular as it is now.
Meanwhile 20 teams participated in TI 12 the same as last year.

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Quote from: vennali on October 13, 2023, 05:41:17 AM

End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

Tundra and Liquid has the best shot against TS and LGD. The power balance of the team with this currently TI pretty distinct compared to the previous TI which group stage often results to many tie instead of 2-0 matches.

I’m not sure if the level of Dota games on other region drop significantly or Team Spirit and EU teams set the bar high which other teams can’t play close to their game. TS will surely dominate this TI now that they have the momentum once again. I hope Liquid can come up a solution to stop this beast on the Upper Bracket.

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Quote from: vennali on October 13, 2023, 05:41:17 AM

End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

I agree with you, the games of these teams are of greatest interest to me, but not those where the enemy is completely destroyed, but precisely those in which the underdog takes points in the group stage. After the first day, bookmakers set small odds for Team Spirit and LGD. I would look from the other side and bet on underdogs with large odds, even if no one believes in them. This may be especially true at the end of the group stage of the tournament. In any case, TI always knows how to surprise and I don’t expect the final to be TS versus LGD.

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End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

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Quote from: xLays on October 12, 2023, 09:46:18 PM

Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.

Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

I knew about the bug as it was posted about a year ago on social media. I didn't know that it was never fixed. Well, Valve is a small indie company(joke), so, these things are going to happen sometime or the other. I thought they'd replay the match with same set of heros but I learnt that the admin has the power to send all the heros to fountain with same items and networth. That's useful. Also found out that there's a possible ingame fix to it. Only manta works in getting out of the eternal boulder.

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