The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread - page 5.

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It looks like i am going to stick with Liquid, that shwoing against Shopify Rebellion was really good. Unfortunately not enough time to watch all the games but ill catch up! Team Spirit and LGD has a very strong showing aswell!

Quote from: xLays on October 12, 2023, 09:46:18 PM

Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.

Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

I watched it in highlights, such a silly bug lol

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Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.

Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 12, 2023, 04:47:20 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on October 11, 2023, 03:39:52 PM

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.

Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
-snip-

Quote from: xLays on October 11, 2023, 11:38:16 PM

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

Just take it slow bro, soon you would really be having that good grasps about those changes that had been made all over the years but of course it might take a while for you to get used to it but since
you are an old Dota 2 player then i dont really see some issues in regarding with this. Skills operations would really be just simply clicking out those ALT+ keys or you could customed it out.
There are some changes when it comes to neutral item hotkeys and some quick cast settings which its not really that hard to understand but well just like been said.
Welcome back and take your time to familiarize things once again. Its not that hard to cope up.

Quote from: vennali on October 12, 2023, 12:17:54 PM

And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

Yes, but i wasnt expecting that GG would be having that 2 loss on Group C. Would be they able to get in? COnsidering that beastcoast and LGD on the same team
then it would really be a tough one i should say.

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Quote from: vennali on October 12, 2023, 12:17:54 PM

And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

Entity got 2-0 against EG. While watching the other stream, it is with GG and LGD gaming that's now 1-0 but watching it currently it seems that on the 2nd map it is LGD gaming that's on the lead.

Quote from: xLays on October 12, 2023, 09:58:45 AM

Only 1hr left to start TI! I've already made my group stage predictions in the international compendium. What do you guys think of my picks? Sorry, I'm not a fan of Team Spirit. I believe Azure Ray will take the Aegis in this Tournament! Azure Ray have the solid line up for me; https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Azure_Ray

Azure Ray is a strong team and we all know about that but it's that there are a lot of good teams on this TI so it's hard to decide. But anyway, this is just all about predictions and we're all winners here because this is a long time since we've waited. Forget about the prize pool and let's just all enjoy the games as these are continuous actions until the end of this group stage.

Quote from: sompitonov on October 12, 2023, 08:17:31 AM

The first game I chose was Team Spirit vs 9Pandas. Congratulations to everyone on the start of TI12 Cheesy

First win for Team Spirit and you've nailed it brother that we're all winners here as it is for everybody who's waiting for this time to come and it had came.

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And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

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Only 1hr left to start TI! I've already made my group stage predictions in the international compendium. What do you guys think of my picks? Sorry, I'm not a fan of Team Spirit. I believe Azure Ray will take the Aegis in this Tournament! Azure Ray have the solid line up for me; https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Azure_Ray

Here's my group stage predictions in The International Compendium!
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/12/RF64q.png

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 12, 2023, 04:47:20 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on October 11, 2023, 03:39:52 PM

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.

Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
-snip-

Quote from: xLays on October 11, 2023, 11:38:16 PM

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

I've been playing Dota since 2014 to relax and have fun with friends and I don't play ranked matches. I'm not going to chase ratings. So I also don’t know how all the items are put together. I mean I don't know them 100%, I remember about 80-90%. And this is enough for me to get a kick out of the game.

Since 2014, I have watched every TI. I would like to note that this year the prize pool won't be as crazy as always, but this doesn't make the game worse. I will follow the games with the same joy as always. You just need to choose the most interesting games for yourself because there will be 5 of them at one time. The first game I chose was Team Spirit vs 9Pandas. Congratulations to everyone on the start of TI12 Cheesy

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Quote from: Lanatsa on October 11, 2023, 03:39:52 PM

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.

Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
-snip-

Quote from: xLays on October 11, 2023, 11:38:16 PM

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

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Good old TI really became traditional eh? Well I spent many days back in couple of years watching TI games its always good lesson for average dota players and in overall with its quick combat nature and strategies fun watch. But I am not fan of teams keep dissolving. Good old team secret is not here. Sad. Anyways I think its very hard to debate on winning teams at dota games because players are not always concentrated, especially at group stage its all open to surprises so bets against big names there can be very profitable.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day.

It's always challenging to start again playing dota 2 right now, but always remember that great things take time!

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 11, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.

Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
Now that some players does have those new faces but pretty sure that you would really be still enjoying on watching out Dota match ups.
Just like the rest been saying that in todays International prize pool which it is really that on the ground and something not that interesting to see. Cry

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 11, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many.

That's okay bro if you're having a hard time keeping up. What you can do is just enjoy your coming back and tune out the actions that will happen on this TI. And now that you've mentioned TI 3, a lot of flashbacks just happened and yeah that you're still that far to keep up with the recent changes but that's okay. As long as you know Dota 2, you've played it, you've watched it before, and there's nothing hard for you to keep up with the changes and updates. From the past years, there have been a lot of retirees already but we still have the best oldies that are still in the competitive scene and playing until now.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

That's the first time in history and everybody is sad that he didn't make it. But that's fine as he has achieved a lot already and hopefully that this isn't a sign that Puppey will get that opinion from the community that he should retire or transition from being a position 5 player into a coach.

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Quote from: Wapfika on October 11, 2023, 03:22:30 AM

I’m rooting for Team Spirit to win this year competition. They show an insane domination on the last 2 tournament prior to the TI which is the same pattern when they first get their TI title.

I definitely agree. Team Spirit is the most favorite this TI after winning the last tournament, I just hope they don't make a amess to this TI12 like what they did last year. Yatoro is something of a carry, he reminds me of AME of psg.lgd, a very good carry who can come back after losing early and mid game. His performance last tournament is very consistent plus the 3-0 in the grand finals against the Shopify Rebellion is just so satisfying to watch.

Quote from: Wapfika on October 11, 2023, 03:22:30 AM

Larl is finally working well for TS member while collapse is already find his game on the current patch which is typically the game changer on most of their aside from Yatoro being monster as pos 1.

Larl being the weakest link in early days of being TS is expected, I don't really think it is a serious matter for TS but having just enough time to get along with the TS play style, will give Larl the chance to dominate with TS. But I see Larl as nothing against other team's Mid laner, like Abed and NTS.

Quote from: Wapfika on October 11, 2023, 03:22:30 AM

Regardless of the prize pool of the TI. I think everyone still preferred the title which makes this tournament still worthy to watch. I can’t think a team that can match TS now.

From my past comment, for players this isn't about the money they can get but the recognition to win a TI is more of a life accomplishment that can't be erased.

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Quote from: passwordnow on October 11, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

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Quote from: vennali on October 11, 2023, 04:13:13 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 10, 2023, 08:10:15 PM

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

You're welcome mate, well done. We've got less than a day until the entire first match of the group stages starts.

Quote from: vennali on October 11, 2023, 04:13:13 AM

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

Now that you've said about Team Spirit, they're just like lowkey dominating the last tournaments honestly. They're the best candidate now to win this TI and have a two-peat for this championship. Gaimin gladiator is strong and made a well-known run for the whole year but not with the last tournaments however, that could be a strategy for them to preserve themselves for this main event. We're counting on Arteezy and his gang, Shopify Rebellion. But we wouldn't be surprised if they don't win and it's like Team Spirit or Gaimin Gladiators.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 11, 2023, 04:53:38 AM

i havent watched Dota 2 in quite a few years and oh man have the teams changed lol. So many new faces there. Im guessing i have to go with either Rebellion or Team Liquid as those still have players i remember but will see how this plays out.
Also not much longer now till start

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

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Quote from: vennali on October 11, 2023, 04:13:13 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 10, 2023, 08:10:15 PM

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

i havent watched Dota 2 in quite a few years and oh man have the teams changed lol. So many new faces there. Im guessing i have to go with either Rebellion or Team Liquid as those still have players i remember but will see how this plays out.
Also not much longer now till start

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Quote from: passwordnow on October 10, 2023, 08:10:15 PM

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

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I’m rooting for Team Spirit to win this year competition. They show an insane domination on the last 2 tournament prior to the TI which is the same pattern when they first get their TI title. Larl is finally working well for TS member while collapse is already find his game on the current patch which is typically the game changer on most of their aside from Yatoro being monster as pos 1.

Regardless of the prize pool of the TI. I think everyone still preferred the title which makes this tournament still worthy to watch. I can’t think a team that can match TS now.

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I'm absolutely thrilled for TI 12 this year! It's always an exciting time of the year for Dota 2 fans, and the split format this year adds an extra layer of anticipation. It's going to be interesting to see how the new format plays out, and I'm looking forward to seeing all of the top teams duke it out for the championship.

it's a tough choice as there are so many strong teams in the scene but I'm always a fan of the underdogs, there are always surprises. I'm also hoping to see some new teams and players make a splash at TI.
Can't wait to see which teams rise to the occasion and make history at The International 12!

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Quote from: Darker45 on October 10, 2023, 08:33:25 PM

OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

Valve introduced the people who will cover TI12. And at the same time, the developers added personal bundles of all casters to the game - the most expensive version of such a set costs $19.99. On reddit, users began jokingly saying that casters would now become richer than direct TI participants.
I guess this is not a joke. For example, teams from 17th to 20th place - $8,500 per team, $1,700 per person. Casters can supposedly receive from 10k$ - $20k$ if you count on average, taking into account past TIs and that casters will receive 50% of all sales of their bundles.
I can't stop laughing because of this, sorry Grin

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