I have had enough of my share of debates against franky1 about the Lighting Network, or anything, that many other people in the forum got annoyed because the topics ended with the both of us debating. He has been gaslighting/spreading disinformation everywhere. He always denies the fact that all Bitcoins in Lightning are actual Bitcoins, calling them IOUs. I give him an explanation why they’re not IOUs, he replies with a VERY LONG “technical” post of confusion to troll you.
Absolutely, and even after @Rath_ backing up many of his replies with actual examples and even code, he kept trying to kind of "unsay" (not sure if this word even exists) what @Rath_ was saying. So, I said quite early that that discussion was turning useless.
Saying that the milisatoshis are not Bitcoin, is in my perspective, almost the same that saying that cents of dollar are not dollar or cents of Euros are not Euro. Anyway, the discussing is over for me!
I agree with you that the argument about milisatoshis not being bitcoin is dumb as fuck, but it is like he is saying that if the cent is divided into 100 or 1,000 then it is not really a cent because the smallest unit that you can transact in the physical world is the cent, so dividing the cent into 100 or 1,000 is not the same thing as the cent itself because the cent does not allow being divided further.. .which again is a stupid argument.....and even a waste of time to get into discussions regarding such nonsensical claims.. and of course, that is not the ONLY nonsensical claim that franky1 makes.. some of the claims get confusing, but they largely add up to the same thing.. nonsense, misleading, irrelevant etc..
Still, even if it's not possible to use 1/100 or 1/1000 of a cent in the physical world, I still can counter that with another kind of rhetorical question (not towards you but would be towards franky1 argumentation): So, if you have a piece of wood representing the unity (or is it unit) entity and you divide it by 100, we would have cents of that unity (or is it unit), which by chance is wood, right? It doesn't lose its natural characteristics or properties that makes us call it wood, would it? So if you divide each cent into another 100 or a 1000 parts, would it now lose those properties? Like, it would still be wood. So, how could a satoshi that is a fraction of a Bitcoin not being Bitcoin after being divided again by another 100 or 1000 parts?
Actually, darkv0rt3x, I was going to make some similar comments as you in terms of why LoyceV was giving a platform to someone like franky1 who has shown himself to be disingenuine and misleading and banned from certain parts of the forum for good reason.. and in that regard, what good is it going to do to give a platform to someone who has already shown himself over and over and over to not be posting with any intentions beyond confusing and misleading the issues... but you ended up making some of the criticisms before me.. and I have not quite made it through the whole thread, yet...
Please do. Whatever I may have said, you can always speak out your thoughts too, even if they end up being similar to mines. And I agree with you. And further, I have registered in thsi forum for quite a while, despite the fact that I only started posting more frequently more recently, and I can tell that I saw quite a few posts of mine being deleted just because they were short or apparently there were adding nothing to discussions, which I disagree, but it was what it was. However, the posts of this user, beyond confusing and many times, as you said, misleading, he kept bringing people down with all those kind of disguised insults, so my question is why was he being allowed to continue with that type of speech. Anyway, that was up to the mods, I guess.
so maybe I will say something further on the topic, not sure if I have anything to add beyond what you had already said, and likely even LoyceV is seeing some futility in having had given a platform to franky1.... sure maybe it is not completely futile.. I mean I did read several of the responses of some of the posters, and even Rath_ did get excited enough about the thread in order to share a link to it here... so Rath_ likely does not mind providing some of that information again in the context of responding to the largely disingenuine points of franky1.
I admit I couldn't read some of final posts of franky until their very end because, I also admit I don't have that much knowledge to be able to keep up and verify, confirm or deny what was being said, but I probably read more than 90% of the thread!
Rath_ is one of the persons I known with more knowledge of the intrinsics on the LN network and of course he got excited. He could put to the practice his knowledge and probably, even test himself, which is always good. Challenge ourselves!
