Topic: The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ? (Read 617 times)

In order for you, after this post of yours, not to look funny and one-sided, a suggestion: bring here, an excerpt from my answer, where I praise the USA, and humiliate its opponents.
By the way, for one - give me a list of opponents of the USA or countries that consider the USA as their competitors or that have other opposition ?

PS I can assume that "humiliation of US opponents", in your worldview, is the presentation of real facts and figures. But I have to disappoint you once again - TRUTH....This is TRUTH. It may not be pleasant, it may even be ugly. But it's the truth! I realize that some people don't like the truth, that's a fact too
If I have given a FALSE fact or argument - I would love to hear your reasoned response ! Go ahead

It has always been obvious that China is greater than the US in might. It's just that the Chinese aren't loud mouthed like the Americans who live in denial. Recent world developments and happenings have really exposed the US and revealed that she's not as powerful as she claims.

A few years before Barack Obama became the president of the US, I read one of his books: perhaps, The Audacity of Hope, or so where Obama in his flowery language exposed the helplessness of the American government when paired with China in terms of human capital development, population and a few other things. That book was an eye opener for me into the American politics and economy to a great extent.

Judging from the current situation, targeting other countries' economies and controlling the financial system is a common stance in struggles for international power and status. Competition and economic warfare can be seen as part of the modern cold war.

International relations are complex and depend on many different factors. Therefore, one has to think differently and look for different power systems and solutions to achieve stability and reconciliation in the region.

The United States is not a country that decides to bow its head like that from one moment to the next, so surely there is an ulterior motive that forced it to make this decision... i wonder what chip China will have against the United States  to make this Will you change your mind and decide to support him? It is no secret to anyone that these two countries are world powers that have always competed for the title of best territory in the world, including Russia, so a truce between them seems to me something extremely strange. The island of Taiwan has served for many years as a strategic point for the United States and losing it could bring it a great disadvantage before China since it would have the opportunity to further expand its naval predominance and in turn would be granted significant dominance over trade at the level. international, since this area is a focus of commercial exchanges between several Asian countries with the rest of the continents... so in theory it would be harming global trade by forcing those involved who are currently allies with the United States to have relations with China.

A bargaining chip is a country whose interests are sacrificed and whose position, without consent or any negotiations, is given away by another. As for example, the position of "the other side of the bipolar world." Who held this position until 2022? And since 2023, who to the whole world, under applause and approval, called himself "the second side of the bipolar world", without even saying a word about the past "leader"?

Regarding the prospects, I agree, the world is coming out of the covid recession, the world is stabilizing the gas and oil market, China is highly likely to find common ground and mutually beneficial compromises with the United States. But such a positive scenario "threatens" not everyone. There are those who are further away, the world is tightening the noose on a thin neck

Playing Clue with world leaders in regards to which country is the 'bargaining chip' is a fair analogy. Now, don't go crazy with the 'M' clue in your head! We don't sure which 'M' in this geopolitical problem is the culprit; it might be Moldova, Mexico, or even Mars!

The message on the economy is unmistakable: maintain stability. When major powers are able to work together peacefully, international trade and investment can proceed with greater confidence. Instead of worrying about international conflicts, nations will be better able to advance their economies. Increased opportunities for international cooperation contribute to a more integrated international financial system. So, my dear Watson, the economic outlook seems to be improving despite the enigma!

You can ask for anything you want, it's your right. But 100500 times poking your nose in open sources, or to be educated by your education - I'm already tired of it. If you know how to use search engines - it will take you 10 seconds, and you will get a lot of pleasure from full-fledged sources, and not those "excerpts from the inscriptions on the fence", as you habitually cite as "evidence"

If you don't know how to use it, sorry, I'll find a better use for my time.

PS. Well, I will be condescending to you, you are still on the background of some, less interesting interlocutor. So - sets of keywords to search for "prufs":
1. Gallium world deposits
2. Germanium global deposits
3. Rare earth metals list
4. Gallium primary production, countries
5. Primary production of germanium, countries
6. Secondary production of gallium, countries
7. Secondary production of garmanium, countries
Don't thank me !

Firstly I think we are trying so hard to see something that is actually not there and it's actually very crazy. I don't think there is any bad blood between China and the United States of America but also I won't say they are friends, I would rather consider it a relationship that is now built on respect, they understand their strength and would do anything to avoid a war between them.

Question 1. There in none it's just a figment of people's imagination.

Question 2. Well if they move further than just mutual respect and actually work together I think the world economy would improve but it would give US and China great power over other countries .

Question 3. Still doesn't exist and we should try to see things from other perspective .

For the second time in this thread I ask you for a prooflink and you again merge on some ridiculous brakes, hiding the lack of evidence behind verbosity. Japan has not supplied gallium to the foreign market since 2016. China has crushed all competitors by weight and squeezed them out of the market.

I think the US realized that it is not in their best interest to have a unfriendly relationship with one of the strongest economies in the world. China also have one of the strongest military forces in the world, so having a war between China and the US, will have severe consequences for the US.

Is this a sign of weakness or a sign of mutual respect.... time will tell, if the US will tolerate all the antics from the Chinese and their actions towards other countries. (support for Russia and bypassing the sanctions) 

Whenever I see your name, I know that it will 100% be a post that supports USA or attacks one of its enemies, you have not written anything that is out of that in many months to be fair and you weren't like this. You have became full on uncle sam in the past few months, interesting to see.

Just because China sold it cheap, doesn't mean they will continue to do so, just because other places can, doesn't mean they can continue to do so. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Sure other nations may have some, but they do not have as much as China, and not like the demand for this will go to zero neither, hence China could limit it, and let it end in other places, and jack up the price, it is not unlikely. Why is this so hard to see?

Once upon a time US was the most powerful country as compare with rest of world. But now inflation is hitting US hard. Prices for food, gas and basic necessities are out of control. Americans people are already suffering form such and such situation.  They are not that much  super power anymore that's why they can't afford war anymore. It's hard seeing Taiwan being left out in this forced friendship between China and the US and in other hand  I don't see the US  are able to scaring China anymore.

We have already discussed the issue of China's rare earth metals, and at the same time gallium and germanium. And you are well aware that what you say is, to put it mildly, distorted information
Ok, for everyone, I will once again bring the data about this metal.

The key "problem" of gallium is that there are no deposits of pure metal in nature. It is always presented as compounds with low metal content, and very "evenly" distributed. Today, the richest source of gallium is the mineral germanite, an ore composed of copper sulfide that can contain 0.5-0.7% gallium, mined in southwest Africa. These are the Tsumeb (Namibia) and Kipushi (Zaire) mines .... It's a strange name for China, isn't it ?

Gallium is also widely distributed in small amounts along with zinc obscurants, in aluminum alumina, feldspars, hard coal and ores: iron, manganese and chromium.
The largest deposits of gallium, amenable to economic extraction, are in China, Germany, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Korea and Russia  
That was all about primary mining.

But there is also secondary mining - Canada, Slovakia, Japan, Germany and the USA are the leaders there.

At the same time, there are more nuances: gallium can be replaced in the manufacture of semiconductors by indium, and in the technology of production of thin film solar cells - silicon-based technologies, some forms of thin film cadmium selenide or copper indium selenide based photovoltaic cells among others.

So the reality is quite different - China was by far the most massive and cheapest supplier of this metal, but there is no question of exclusivity. Now other suppliers will increase production, and consumers will simply switch to them.

I don't believe it's what to do with it that's it's the problem. They didn't become a big economy overnight. They worked for it, they invested, they took risks. It took them time to become where they are today and they have learnt how to handle their business.
They believe in something and they are working towards it.
20 years is enough time to learn how to handle been a global power. But I do not agree that they've only had 20 years or less. China is an ancient country, so all that history isn't new.

No country wants to have losses, both the US and China are trying to better grir countries so they would make decisions that favour them. If they went a different route and it didn't work out, they will go a different route.

Prooflink?

To my knowledge, China controls about 80% of the gallium market. Japan and South Korea left the gallium supply market in 2016, Ukraine in 2019. In general, this is a very unstable and difficult market for a number of reasons, gallium is a by-product in the production of aluminum and it requires, first of all, a large amount of cheap energy for its production.

I think the move by China to try to limit the supply of gallium and germanium to the market, specifically to U.S. companies, is very stupid. Japan is already willing to supply the necessary quantities of gallium and Canada the necessary quantities of germanium.
The bottom line is:
- China has shown its stupidity.
- The U.S. has once again demonstrated that the West does not depend on China.
- The U.S. has an official reason to introduce new "counter-sanctions" against China, which will really bring real problems for China. Which will have an extremely negative impact on China's economy.

A light version of "shooting yourself in the foot".

A forced friendship might be the better option, if it is what that would save the world from WW3. More countries should even do that so as to encourage world peace, rather than add to the wars ongoing both between Russia -Ukraine and also other parts of Africa, not even mentioning trade wars and policies meant to hurt the country.

As long both contract parties are matured enough to deliver on the terms of agreement and be liable to the penalties if found guilty of going against the rules of the game, am okay with it being a forced friendship.

As practice shows, the "great adversaries" are more likely to be highly dependent on each other than to want to destroy each other. Especially in such an interdependent world as today's. The deepest integration of all spheres of economy, technology, finance... With such dependence, the U.S. and China are symbiotic rather than "natural enemies". That said, the U.S. can live without China, as can the rest of the developed West. At most, prices will go up slightly. But China - without Western markets, technology... They will also survive, but it will be "life in reverse" - a slide back to China in the 1980s. The question is, what are the sensible players doing?

All right. Based on the fact that in recent months relations between the United States and China began to deteriorate sharply, including over Taiwan, up to the threat of a full-scale war between these large states, the current agreement between them, even if it is not very strong, is very a wise decision. Both the United States and China realize that if it comes to war, both countries will weaken, and this will play into the hands of many other not-so-democratic states. Moreover, the United States is now helping Ukraine in protecting its territory from Russian aggression, and there are other big problems that need to be addressed, and a possible war with China would interfere with other urgent issues. In the future, the United States and China may find common ground against the background of the upcoming changes that are expected in the fate of Russia.

US and China are big political rivals because they are both superpowers but with very different political ideals. The ideal for the USA is a strong democracy that values and protects individual freedom and diversity. The ideal for China is a state of perfectly organized society of docile people who are under total control of the government. But of course, nobody needs a war, so after tensions rise, there's a cooling-off period. Still, I don't think it means the USA would allow China to militarily retake Taiwan if it comes to that. As for the power dynamics, I think they are co-dependent on one another, which also makes it important to both to reach compromise. And while it can be morally questionable, it's good for the global economy.