Topic: The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ? - page 4. (Read 671 times)

That's true, but what the United States might actually be doing is fight China by using macro-economics. Because the longer the Federal Reserve holds interest rates high, it will be problematic for China's economy since domestic demand of the country can't support the economy. They desperately need the U.S. and its allies' to increase demand for Chinese exports which only QE could do. But it won't happen.

 

It's probably China that's forced to cooperate.

From what I remember, the OP is Ukrainian, and it's understandable that he resented and hated Russia. But I really don't agree with OP's opinion because as you say, China and Russia have a very good relationship, and this relationship existed before the war between Russia and Ukraine happened. Indeed, Russia and China are the top two leaders of the BRICS and they are taking steps to rebalance the world's balance of power.
Therefore, there is no reason for China to shake hands and be friendly with the US at this stage. What is happening may be that the US has begun to worry and panic about China's development.

The old term was balkanization.
The new term is wokenalnization.

As it turns out the US (and west) in undergoing wokenalnization , which has been more destructive than, balkanization

in the former you identify as disticnit culture and racial groups
in the latter you idetiy as whatever you want and no racial groups exist sort of.

in the former the border is around your states land
in the latter via mass immgration and a mosaic of suburbs the state will only (sort of) defend or allow you to defend you property, and you have the right on that property to eject others (to varing degrees).

wokenalnization has hollowed out the US as a functional polity at several levels, economic via tax transfer,  identity, race and potlical alignment to name a few
as such the US is a spent force.

The un lacks among other things the capability to maintain its weapons systems.


Inerestingly how so many uh how shall we say .... caucasian young males that have followers have pruchased wharehouses to carry on in a large enough space to innovate and do stuff, as the have retreated to that space (unconiciously or conciously).

When your currency is not doing well and the world dream is to abandon it, when you have a proxy war with Russia and when you have NATO troops across the Europe and Asia, you can't really afford so many things at once. The whole world is not in war anymore, Europe isn't destroying itself and Japan doesn't have a holy war, so, it's not that easy to remain a global leader and superpower today.

This could just be a maneuver for the US since their representative has stepped into the lands of China. Of course, what would you tell while you're inside their borders and territory? And that's why I think that's just in confidence of being there and not to do anything and say crazy that will trigger them.

But if this is all serious statement and the US really meant what they've said, they're avoiding to make a bigger war and that's better but bad and awful for Taiwan.

Interesting thought, I have never thought of this possibly. But on war, it's true that everything is possible when it's about disputes and territories.

That is one thing for sure that we don't know what's actually happening with their talks, in paper and even in the ground. I agree on the latter that both of them are just the same.

Huge super powers that can't be content with all of their territories and still want to be known as the strongest. And I think that this will never end even a century has come.

US can't afford to spend money anymore like they did in the past for example they spend billions every year for Afghanistan and finally US gave up to Talibans and imagine what will be their stand against China. US is not the world police and every government has their own way so let them deal with on their selves now US is trying to focus on the economic growth in their own land.

what are you talking about?
russia and china has been playing long term. now that they winning, you think they will suddenly separate ways? thats a dumb idea.

they have conquered artic region together. and the goal is to have a multipolar world thats why they have BRICS.  thats why theres more than 50 countries joining dedollarization.

It seems that the picture is becoming clearer. To begin with, let me remind you that not a single Chinese official has the right to make an open statement that has not been agreed with Beijing. Beijing itself, at the highest level, rarely speaks openly and concretely - that's what its politicians, officials, and the media say.

And then interesting statements began, the "first sign": "The military image and authority of Russia in the eyes of China collapsed."
I am sure that in the next 2-3 weeks we will hear many more such statements.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

You seem to be referring to Russia, I know you don't like Russia and consider them a terrorist but if you think that China is taking advantage of Russia's friendship to bargain with the US, it's a bit funny and a bit childish. It is only a matter of time before China takes back Taiwan, it is more than capable of doing so at any time, even if Taiwan receives greater US support.

I don't believe what the US says, I believe they will still support Taiwan as they are doing, what they say in the press is just to appease China, they don't want to increase tensions with China. They are struggling with Ukraine against Russia, and continuing to raise tensions with China will not benefit them. They are still the country with the top military in the world, but at the same time, against two great powers like Russia and China, they will also fail quickly.

It's hard seeing Taiwan being left out in this forced friendship between China and the US. I don't see the US scaring China one bit with all its show of military might and conducting exercise near Taiwan. Also, the US is still supporting Ukraine in its fight with Russia, so I don't think it's good for them economically to sustain two wars in different fronts. Perhaps, that's also the reason why the US is trying to build up its foundry for processors - they are letting Taiwan go and with it, their interest in TSMC.

Whichever the case for this sudden forging of friendship, it's good for the world (for now) except for Taiwan which is left against the Chinese government's mercy.

The US has vowed to protect Taiwan from Chinese invasion. Washington is willing to war against China a forcefully wants to take over the country.  I see the visit of U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to China as diplomatic formalities. China and the US are political, economic, and military competitors and competitors will always oppose each other. Both nations have an interest in Taiwan. Taiwan will always be a vassal state of China and America is not proposing its independence from China but the Island's autonomy. So Blinken was correct when he said that the US is not seeking Taiwan's independence.

America might not be able to fight two proxy wars. China is a major beneficiary in the war between Russia and Ukraine. China enjoys high discounts for buying Russian products. China have also seen many consequences of war and might be scared that Taiwan can also receive the same support Ukraine is receiving. I know China and the US are core rivals but from both country's moves and comments, I don't think they want war. The economic consequences of the current war in Ukraine are enormous, the world will suffer recession if another war breaks out.

One thing I know is that in stuff like this, things are never as they seem. These things are way deeper than we can understand because we don't have all the facts on our table. The US and China might have struck a deal and we wouldn't know. They may just be doing it to appear cool on paper and we wouldn't know. I don't want to sound like I love conspiracy theories but there's always an underground reason for things like this in international politics.

One thing I hate so much is people trying to paint China as a saint in the story. It's so annoying it gets funny at a point. Both the US and China are exactly the same people. They may have different ways of achieving a goal but they both have the same goal; that is making their country and position superior.
They never do anything without their own interest first.

If the US is now saying that it does not support Taiwan independence, then this is indeed a very interesting turn in US-China relations. The issue of Taiwan brought these countries closer to a serious war. In the United States, the outcome of a military clash between these states was simulated on a computer, and it turned out that the United States was winning the war, but by a very small margin. We can say that both states as a result of the war between themselves will be drained of blood.

So far, this is a reasonable move on the part of the United States to push back the threat of World War III. And this is not about weakness, as some here believe. The policy between the two big states should be wise, but the situation towards Taiwan may change in the future.

Answering a "joking question" I agree that the capital of a country beginning with the letter "M", that is, Moscow can already be a bargaining chip here. It is much more profitable for China to stay closer to the US and the EU than to Russia. Part of the territory of Russia, which there has long been considered Chinese, because it previously belonged to China, China will still take away from the weakening Russia as a result of its war with Ukraine. At the same time, if China does not openly support Russia in this war, then Russia will lose it relatively quickly.

For real? didn't know about that. 

What a coincidence that I've seen an old video of Trump meeting up Kim Jong-Un on North and South Korea border. I guess it truly depends on the leader and China won't allow any country to bully them as they want to be known as the tough guy and they're the only one that can bully.

It's like that no one intervenes with anything that interests them.

M for Manure!

there was nothing achieved in their meeting by the way. just because they were shaking hands in the photos, doesn't mean something is solved. the situation doesn't change. Xi doesn't even want to see Blinken.  truth is that China wants the US to honor the one-China policy and Taiwan is part of China. as long as this is not honored, nothing is achieved in this meeting.

USA is definitely one mysterious country that no one would ever understand. First they send out their secretary to visit the Taiwan when China threaten to have Air strikes on Taiwan. This was done to show the support against any attacks from China and to showcase the gesture of friendship with Taiwan. Now same US is going further and having hand shakes with China to have peaceful treaty. It’s funny. Or may be it looks like US also forgot about the spy balloon that was sent over to them. What is hard to understand for such highly advance and modern country? Have the China threaten US government in some way and this is what we seeing right now. Have they planted a even bigger biological attack than what we had during pandemic?

That's what you heard and the twisted agenda you want to push. America and China need each other, they both get stronger by working together so it's only unhinged leadership that will seriously damage it. Unfortunately China does not rule by fairness and openness - but by brute and incompetent force. It would be disastrous for China to try to take Taiwan and the world would likely wake up to the danger they pose, even worse than Russia, if such actions went ahead. China really screwed up Hong Kong after taking over, crippling it as a powerful financial hub, and this was their chance to prove that they were good leaders.

What could have been the reason for saying that US doesn't support Taiwan's independence? Hmmm....

There could be a change of their minds or this is just another tactic to make it look like they're weak against the Chinese forces that are already rotating around the waters and areas of Taiwan?

Well, politics is certainly predictable when you're seeing the events and if this is a real friendship for US-China then that's much better. These only two powers are even the ones that are trying to reach heights and showing how powerful they are.

But I don't think one will subject to one another and if China says that US shouldn't touch what they're touching and yet the US keeps on triggering them with military exercises, that shows how BS they are for the eyes of China.

I have no idea on this, what's M then?

I see it in the same way, the cold war approach that was taken against the USSR could work back then because even if the USSR was a super power in terms of military power, it never had a strong economy, while at the time the US had not only the strongest economy at the time but probably the strongest we have ever seen, so they could take a long term approach to beating the USSR, but against China this is not possible, they have a good economy while the US is at its weakest, and in addition they are already supporting Ukraine against Russia, so supporting another armed conflict seems to be too much for the US economy.

I believe that’s their previous position prior to this current news. Perhaps they are already tapping again on China friendship to boost their dying economy due to inflation since they can’t afford a war because they are not that super power anymore. This is good for the world but very bad news for Taiwan independence because China will surely use this opportunity to oppressed this small piece of land.

US already sold them in exchange for economic gain from China.