Topic: The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ? - page 3. (Read 676 times)

TSMC is building two chip factories in Arizona, the first one should be operational in 2024, the second in 2026. For TSMC, building factories in the US does not make any economic sense (it costs about four times more to build a plant in the US than in Taiwan, plus you have to compete for qualified personnel with Intel and pay employees much more, that is, the cost of chips will also increase) and the decision to build was 100% politically motivated. The founder of TSMC said in 2021 that Taiwan's success cannot be replicated in the US due to a number of reasons. Plus, TSMC already had a bad experience of expansion in the US in the late 1990s. But two factories in Arizona are still under construction, although construction is behind schedule and at significant cost overruns.

I think this delay in the construction of the TSMC plants in Arizona is the reason for Blinken's recent visit to the US and a significant change in the course of American rhetoric. China has not been afraid of threats and has not succumbed to provocations, and continues to demonstrate its determination to reunite Taiwan with mainland China. And the United States is extremely unprofitable armed conflict until at least the first TSMC plant in Arizona is operational. Therefore, the US State Department, with its inherent flexibility, seeks to turn weakness into strength and tries to make the most of the circumstances. The good news is that there will be no armed conflict in the Pacific region until at least 2025.

No one likes war happening, but arms dealers and politicians, only in this way can they show their strength.

Regarding Taiwan, if the US does not make concessions, I believe that a future war is inevitable. China remains very tough on Taiwan, which has declared its willingness to use force to achieve its goals.
We don't really know what America's intentions are because they are very belligerent and never give in to anyone, but recently their politics and economy have been unstable, and they don't want to put more pressure on themselves. Maybe that's the reason for this deal, IMO.

Communism is bad, and by proxy that also makes China an adversary for the U.S. Whether people might agree with that or not might vary, fine. But if the U.S. has interest in ensuring they get their chips manufactured from Taiwan independent from Chinese intervention, then it would also be in their interest to reject the One China policy. China was never actually blocked from manufacturing their own chips.

it is good if the world is in peace. war only bring difficulties to development of the world economy. event situation ukraine only may give significant effect to the world economy, many goods price are rising because the supply chain problems. if big war happen between U.S and China which booth are big player in world market then we can expect more significant rise in goods price. i think it is better for us if war is not happen. war is like a gambling for those country, one side may be win or lose but the certainty is they will suffer financial lost. it is better to respect each other and together develop all countries so all human may live in prosperity.

I think that the American-Chinese rapprochement was at the will of the United States, and this is evidence of the weakness of its international position at present. The American provocations regarding Taiwan were in the face of the Eastern Alliance during the Ukrainian war, but it did not expect that China would go towards escalation, only to find America itself in danger of opening two fronts to the conflict that it is sure that it will not be able to keep up with them in parallel.
China must be aware of this and accepted the process of rapprochement to end the ambitions of Taiwan, which certainly had awakened from its dream of independence from China after the recent rapprochement.

It doesn't matter that this is just a formality or not of the peace shown by the US and China. But the words Peace and mutual respect are enough to reduce the heat in the conflict between the two countries over Taiwan. Because I prefer to see these two countries compete in global politics and compete in economic power. and I don't like to see conflict in war or other issues that could bring these two countries closer to clashes. at least the steps taken by the US I think are quite wise. even if it should make the US a bit weaker on China. I hope everything will be over quickly and I don't like all things war and conflict between countries. because I don't like the impact it has on the global economy, such as peaking inflation and so on.

The US is afraid of upsetting a major trade partner. They have to stop letting fear of losing money emasculate them. American businesses made their decisions about where to base factories. If they didn’t think through the potential risks before making their investments, shame on the shareholders. There was never a guarantee that the US government would always make decisions that would assure that profits from private investments in China would grow quarter over quarter in perpetuity.

For them to tread lightly around national policy because they’re scared the likes of Apple will express pain about how their business decisions weren’t honored by US policy is for them to allow Apple to dictate US policy. Private investors will always put their own interests above the national interest. This doesn’t make them bad people. It makes them consistent and predictable.

Can you provide a prooflink to the quote you cited? Or is it a figment of your imagination again?

I was only able to find Blinken's statement on the results of his visit to China, and the essence of it is this: we have many disagreements, but the very fact of my visit and that I was not sent to hell is a promising start to search for common ground between the United States and China.

Interesting details are coming!
During the US-China dialogue, the issue of supplying Chinese weapons to the terrorist country was discussed. Officially, China has confirmed its attitude towards terrorist countries and the supply of weapons to such countries/regimes. As before, China is categorically against supporting terrorist countries with weapons, and accordingly it has not supplied, does not supply and will not supply any weapons to Russia.

If you remember, and I remember exactly, I saw at least photographs from the liberated Ukrainian land, where mines for mortars and some other elements of weapons from CHINA were found.
So, China, after this information was double-checked and provided to Western partner countries and, of course, to Beijing, conducted its own study.
According to sources, it really was weapons that were produced in China. BUT, there are nuances. These batches of weapons, which were captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the defeat of the Russian Armed Forces, were supplied by China to North Korea and were not intended for re-export. According to the results of the investigations, it turned out that the purchase of Chinese ammunition from North Korea was a harsh demand of the Russian Federation to North Korea.
Brief summary: Russia set up, deliberately and purposefully, China, its sovereign, and "big brother"!
We expect official statements from China to come soon...

PS To all supporters of relations with Russia - "pleasant and high-quality relations"

Since the US made concessions to China on Taiwan, China must have made concessions to the US somewhere else, maybe in Ukraine or somewhere else I don't know.

This is how major countries bargain over hot issues. The United States has been using Taiwan as a bargaining chip for a long period of time, but now they have simply abandoned it.

It is clear that the United States is under great political and economic pressure, so perhaps calming the conflict with China will help it solve some of its political and economic problems.

I agree that the United States is not in the position of supporting two countries at war, both militarily and with cash. China may be aware of it and the Chinese Communist Party could be waiting for the USA to completely run out of the money they can send and the ammo they can provide for Ukraine, so they can try a mostly pacific take over Taiwan.

It is a sad situation, if you ask me. Taiwan is a lovely country with their own people and a healthy economy, and much of the freedoms other western republics would love to have. It is not supposed to be used as a garbain chip like this...

Let's start simple - who I don't like. I do not like - liars, thieves, rapists, murderers, terrorists, people who say and declare one thing, but do the exact opposite, I do not like it when the strong demonstrates strength while mocking the weak. It's all gross. It is unlikely that you love everything that I described above. Yes, and that is precisely why Russia is absolutely "not my favorite country" for me at the moment. Precisely because she does everything that is written above. To a normal person, with morality, intelligence, the presence of universal human values, any country that behaves this way will be hated and unacceptable. I hope everything is simple and clear here.

Now back to politics and the topic.
"China will take back Taiwan, it is more than capable of doing" - the soft way - no. The only option left is power. The force option is a blow to the Chinese economy, which is already going through hard times, and I would say the worst. The second problem is, most likely, the destruction of Taiwan's industrial enterprises, which are critically important to China. As you know, China is losing, irreversibly, Western technology and production. And this means China's return to a state close to the 70-80s of the last century, where China is a manufacturer of cheap, simple, low-quality products ... And as practice has shown - the Western assessment of the forces of a particular army - turned out to be, on the example of Russia, a very big mistake . How the whole world saw the so-called "second army of the world", armed with "more than 80% of unparalleled weapons", turned out to be a complete fake. At the same time, it is not clear - this assessment was a real mistake, or intentional, in order to give, in this case, the Kremlin, "to be satisfied with the status itself", but in reality to show itself as a complete failure!?
Likewise with China. Moreover, China has another problem - the population. A population that has already "tasted a taste of normal life." And today's change of the vector from the communist-capitalist to the communist-totalitarian, will give rise to huge tension in society, which will not support the war and the guaranteed degradation of the living standards of this population. Therefore, for China, the path of seizing Taiwan by force is a VERY BAD PATH.

"but at the same time, against two great powers like Russia and China, they will also be quickly defeated" - If Russia and China were allies - one would SUGGEST your statement.
But ... For China, Russia is a "guinea pig" and a raw materials appendage. For Russia, China is "BIG BROTHER".
The 2014 war - I suppose, agreed with Beijing. Target ? Extremely simple - to "feel" the international reaction to the forceful seizure of territories under some pretext. And if until 2022, China was watching and waiting for the RESULT to repeat this with China, and enjoy the helplessness of the West, which until 2022 only voiced "concern". The final "operation" began in 2022 at the end of February. Beijing was waiting for the final confirmation of the total impotence of the West, the EU, the USA, NATO, .... And then something went wrong. And Beijing was and remains very angry with Russia, for the fact that the Kremlin showed bravado, promised to "put the West to its knees with one left." And then UNITED the West! Which showed that in such situations they can answer and very seriously! China is not so afraid of Western military support for Taiwan as it is the imposition of Western sanctions against China. And now China is very close to sanctions ..

China bad. It's what the narrative is just like all other countries destroyed in the past like Iraq is bad and then there is Russia also bad. But officials visiting China for talks, it doesn't sit well with the story.

When the US blocks China from manufacturing chips, China created its own chips. You see where it can go when they see the country has all the resources to survive.
Regular people just have to prepare for what's to come because the world order is changing.

What is happening now is a kind of conditional respite. The U.S. presidential election is scheduled for November 2024, so now the U.S. administration is trying to score extra points for itself. I don't think we should attach much importance to such agreements, because they reek of hypocrisy.

U.S. Speaker of the House (at the time) took a trip to Taiwan flanked by fighter jets on her flight into the country for the sake of a PR statement, despite the contempt from China, and within such a short period Anthony Blinken takes a 180 degree approach. The American tax payer should be asking why Nancy Pelosi took the trip in the first place.


I see this playing out similar to the Hong Kong situation. Of course the U.S. knows this but when the repercussions of their actions begin to reach fruition, the current administration will be long gone and it will be another politician's headache. Taiwan will be given some level of autonomy before all governmental functions and law enforcement are overtaken by Chinese authorities entirely.

I think we should welcome this developments and  view it as right step in the right direction. Proxy wars and regional conflicts often lead to devastating impact on human life. Such conflicts/wars result in collateral damage and instable economy, making life of general public difficult. We as  advocates of peace lover should raise our voices to exert pressure on super powers to spend more on poverty alleviation projects rather than investing on development of weapon.

This is true, the US is shrinking and has to make concessions to China on the Taiwan issue because the more it causes tension, the more the US will suffer, not China. This is a very wise move and helps them to be safer for the time being. Although they are a great power and have many allies in the world, that does not mean that they will have enough power and strength to cover the whole sky of this world. But this move is also very risky for them because, with this move showing they are weakening and starting to fear, I hope Russia and China will not pass up this opportunity.

After what's happening to the 2 countries within the last few months, they will make us surprise that they will make a friendship out of nowhere? Do they think that we are that dumb to believe that it is genuine?

Of course it's fake. Airstrikes, suspected spy balloon coming from China, and many more in the future. I believe that this kind of trend will continue because these 2 countries can't, and will not cooperate with each other. I wonder why both countries want Taiwan. Maybe because of the fact that the country is the largest manufacturer of microchips, and semiconductors. That would mean profit for either of them that's why one is trying to get it, while the other tries to defend it. Either or, I don't see this agreement as a "true" agreement that would last long.

Well, I would be happy if I will be wrong, and this agreement might last long. After all, both can benefit with each other in different ways.

What exactly are you getting at? That US officials are doing this "friendship" ties with China so they could buy time until US gains more foothold in Asia? Yes I get that the proxy war and increasing military presence around China has been costing them but they most likely see this as "investment" to protect their interest.

Europe is probably destroying itself by following US that's why you have leaders like Macron being vocal against NATO opening office in Japan and avoid being dragged into conflict with China and US over the issue on Taiwan.

So far the West can still proclaim a lot of things thru the media. The headline was that there is progress when China and US have meetings with the head office. But you can see the photos of Xi Jinping didn't even look at the camera. It may sound good on the headlines but later on when Blinken still says they'd fight for Taiwan? That's when it becomes fuzzy. There never is a good result to this visit. The provocation is still up to start a war.