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Topic: The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia - page 19. (Read 5185 times)

legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
a textbook example of the failure of pure democracy
In a pure democracy, I expect each adult to have one vote. On the forum, voting power depends on earned Merits, so it can't be a pure democracy.

I disagree, it is even worse. All that is, is another layer of democracy and enables even more nepotism. Merits are ironically do not support a meritocracy, but are more often used as pats on the head for people that agree with their positions, and an additional method of gatekeeping.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
a textbook example of the failure of pure democracy
In a pure democracy, I expect each adult to have one vote. On the forum, voting power depends on earned Merits, so it can't be a pure democracy.

Allow me to add some links to your lists:
SUGGESTED INCLUSIONS:
     1. Legendary iCEBREAKER (Trust: +6 / =0 / -2) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1434 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary monkeynuts (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (258 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Sr. Member Ticked (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary figmentofmyass (Trust: neutral) (607 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary BayAreaCoins (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (79 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +43 / =0 / -0) (567 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (51 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Hero Member teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =3 / -1) (487 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary bill gator (Trust: +18 / =3 / -9) (542 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary LoyceV (Trust: +26 / =2 / -0) (4759 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary eddie13 (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (925 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Sr. Member hacker1001101001 (Trust: +6 / =1 / -3) (251 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Hero Member DdmrDdmr (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3312 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

SUGGESTED EXCLUSIONS:
     1. Legendary smoothie (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary BitcoinEXpress (Trust: neutral) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -2) (1416 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (856 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (664 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary TMAN (Trust: +28 / =0 / -2) (1288 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Lauda (Trust: +34 / =2 / -0) (1390 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =4 / -1) (348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary TheNewAnon135246 (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (850 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary mindrust (Trust: neutral) (810 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary suchmoon (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (3703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary owlcatz (Trust: +44 / =0 / -1) (278 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary nutildah (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1722 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary tmfp (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (620 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1225 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Last of the V8s (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (2409 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Copper Member Lutpin (Trust: +28 / =1 / -1) (819 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary TwitchySeal (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (532 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary bob123 (Trust: neutral) (1403 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary marlboroza (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (1343 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Full Member blurryeyed (Trust: +1 / =5 / -0) (17 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Copper Member nullius (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (1221 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Hero Member JollyGood (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (469 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Sr. Member mosprognoz (Trust: +6 / =1 / -1) (161 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1343 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
(sorry, this script didn't include links to custom Trust lists, and I have to go now. I'll add them later) Done.

Allow my to promote my topic here: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever


Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia



It is well known that this forum is divided up into several cliques. Unfortunately this is a direct result of a tendency towards mob rule, and a system of might makes right that strips the individual of the ability to use this forum in peace free from harassment, threats, and intimidation. The forum trust system has become an unmitigated disaster, a textbook example of the failure of pure democracy, also known as mob rule.

The failure of the management of these forum systems have allowed for the worst types of personalities to maintain an iron grip over the control of these systems, and entrench a culture of nepotism, retaliation, and constant infighting which is antithetical to the user base being able to exercise their free use of the forum, free speech, and free trade that it offers.

The members of this mob rely on maintaining arbitrary unwritten rules in order to maintain a system of selective enforcement that enables them to stifle criticism, competition, and functions as a gate keeping mechanism under which none shall pass until the knee is bent and tribute is paid. The status quo is antithetical to everything Bitcoin was built to resist, and stands the original culture of this community on its head, making a total mockery of it. These reasons are why, today I introduce to you, The Objective Standards Guild.


Core tenets:

1. A standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws shall be documented in an objective and observable way before negative rating or flagging users.

2. Accusations without some form of documentation should be minimal.
 
3. Users who regularly and repeatedly ignore these standards should be excluded from trust lists.

4. Users who follow these standards should be included in trust lists.

5. Users who are subjected to accusations and ratings without any form of documentation should be defended and supported as much as possible.


There is no inherent hierarchy. Anyone is free to call themselves a member of The Objective Standards Guild as long as they follow its tenets. Using the avatar below and linking to this thread in your signature is encouraged. Lets work together to bring a balance of power to this forum and check its culture of rampant and systemic abuse. Feel free to suggest your own inclusions and exclusions based on these standards.


SUGGESTED INCLUSIONS:

qwk
monkeynuts
Ticked
figmentofmyass
BayAreaCoins
Lesbian Cow
Rmcdermott927
teeGUMES
bill gator
LoyceV
eddie13
hacker1001101001
DdmrDdmr
iCEBREAKER


SUGGESTED EXCLUSIONS:


~smoothie
~BitcoinEXpress
~Vod
~Foxpup
~ibminer
~TMAN
~Lauda
~Timelord2067
~TheNewAnon135246
~mindrust
~cryptodevil
~suchmoon
~owlcatz
~nutildah
~tmfp
~yahoo62278
~Last of the V8s
~Lutpin
~TwitchySeal
~bob123
~marlboroza
~blurryeyed
~nullius
~JollyGood
~mosprognoz
~DireWolfM14

EDIT YOUR TRUST LIST HERE




EDIT:

one of the primary purposes of this thread (IMO) is to say that the rest of the forum can have a vote too: you only need 10 earned merits and then you can participate and affect the default trust system by "voting" for objective/fair members and against biased/unfair members.

even people who have been wronged by DT trust abuse can help to remove their abusers from DT. one of the crucial elements is that you must include members as well since a member's trust list must include 10+ users before they can be on DT1.

so people need to do more than just exclude abusers and hope DT1 members do the same---they need to build bigger trust networks (with inclusions) so they can actually affect the DT1 lottery or be voted in themselves.

this is a numbers game. if everyone keeps refusing to customize their trust list, then nothing will change. the same people will keep voting themselves onto DT1 and perpetuating the current system.

Vires In Numeris.

i also appreciate that TECSHARE has provided some reasonable cover for people who want to include/exclude people in the OP. on this forum, some DT members have been known to use their position to publicly/privately pressure other members into changing their trust lists. this culture of intimidation (combined with fear of DT retaliation) stifles honest usage of the trust system.

perhaps OSG could allow us to create somewhat of a "united front", which DT abusers tend to enjoy, but which the abused never have the privilege of.
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