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Topic: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God - page 16. (Read 37219 times)

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The internet, where everything you read is true!
Not at all. Cyberspace is a battlefield, and there is a war going on for your mind. Corporations pay armies of people to spread lies. One of their favorite lies is that the internet, which is beyond their control, is full of falsehood, while centrally controlled forms of media such as Television and Radio are full of truth. This is a big, fat, lie.

The internet isn't just a threat to the corporate status quo, it's the beginning of the end for them, because of people like me.
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
This is some absurd online personality you're using to troll people.
Denial is a normal and healthy part of the grieving process.  This is a good sign, it means you're on the path towards acceptance, the final phase of grief.

Here, I'll help: The sooner you accept the death of your imaginary friend(s) of choice, the sooner you can resume your long-stalled intellectual growth.

If by "imaginary friend(s)" you mean god(s), then I should let you know I'm also an atheist. Earlier in the thread you said Hitler was a capitalist. My response was intended to make it clear that your assertion is obviously false.

You claim to be a fan of reason, so you should be able to find the flawed implicit assumption in the following argument.

Beliathon doesn't like capitalism.
Beliathon doesn't like Hitler.
Therefore Hitler was a capitalist.

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln or J. J. Phillips
Although today we banish outright slavery from this land, let us remember that this is only the beginning of the struggle against the far more widespread problem that is wage-slavery.

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln or J. J. Phillips
Let us not forget that most of the founding fathers of america were wealthy property owners who also owned slaves. Perhaps their judgment was not infallible

This is a fun game! Completely off topic to the OP, but we wouldn't want to let a little technicality like irrelevance get in the way of your weak attempts at slandering my character!

 Your turn again.

A game can be identified by its rules, and so it is clear that we are playing different games. The rule I followed was to find actual Hitler quotes (translated into English) and actual quotes from you on this board. I don't believe either of your two quotes come from Abraham Lincoln or me. Using google on parts of the quotes only pointed back to this thread. Maybe you could source them?

Maybe you think I made up my quotes. I could give the sources, but you'd save me some time if you picked one or two that you think I made up.
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The internet, where everything you read is true! You can have your dogmas all day, that doesn't mean they aren't self contradictory by its inherent nature just like everything else you support.
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Anarchist socialism is an oxymoron.
Not according to the internet.

Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[1][2] left-libertarianism[3][4] and socialist libertarianism[5]) is a group of political philosophies within the socialist movement that reject the view of socialism as state ownership or command of the means of production[6] within a more general criticism of the state form itself[7][8] as well as of wage labour relationships within the workplace.[9] Instead it emphasizes workers' self management of the workplace[10] and decentralized structures of political government[11] asserting that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[12] Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy and federal or confederal associations[13] such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils.[14][15] All of this is generally done within a general call for libertarian[16] and voluntary human relationships[17] through the identification, criticism, and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of human life.[18][19][20][21][22][23][24]

Past and present political philosophies and movements commonly described as libertarian socialist include anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[25] and mutualism[26]) as well as autonomism, communalism, participism, revolutionary syndicalism, and libertarian Marxist philosophies such as council communism and Luxemburgism;[27] as well as some versions of "utopian socialism"[28] and individualist anarchism.[29][30][31][32]

Libertarian socialism is a Western philosophy with diverse interpretations, though some general commonalities can be found in its many incarnations. Its proponents generally advocate a worker-oriented system of production and organization in the workplace that in some aspects radically departs from neoclassical economics in favor of democratic cooperatives or common ownership of the means of production (socialism).[33] They propose that this economic system be executed in a manner that attempts to maximize the liberty of individuals and minimize concentration of power or authority (libertarianism).


August 17, 1860 edition of libertarian Communist publication Le Libertaire edited by Joseph Déjacque.
Libertarian socialists are strongly critical of coercive institutions, which often leads them to reject the legitimacy of the state in favor of anarchism.[34] Adherents propose achieving this through decentralization of political and economic power, usually involving the socialization of most large-scale private property and enterprise (while retaining respect for personal property). Libertarian socialism tends to deny the legitimacy of most forms of economically significant private property, viewing capitalist property relations as forms of domination that are antagonistic to individual freedom.[35][36]

The first anarchist journal to use the term "libertarian" was Le Libertaire, Journal du Mouvement Social and it was published in New York City between 1858 and 1861 by French anarcho-communist Joseph Déjacque.[37] The next recorded use of the term was in Europe, when "libertarian communism" was used at a French regional anarchist Congress at Le Havre (16–22 November 1880). January the following year saw a French manifesto issued on "Libertarian or Anarchist Communism". Finally, 1895 saw leading anarchists Sébastien Faure and Louise Michel publish La Libertaire in France."[37] The word stems from the French word libertaire, and was used to evade the French ban on anarchist publications.[38] In this tradition, the term "libertarianism" in "libertarian socialism" is generally used as a synonym for anarchism, which some say is the original meaning of the term; hence "libertarian socialism" is equivalent to "socialist anarchism" to these scholars.[2][39] In the context of the European socialist movement, libertarian has conventionally been used to describe those who opposed state socialism, such as Mikhail Bakunin.

The association of socialism with libertarianism predates that of capitalism, and many anti-authoritarians still decry what they see as a mistaken association of capitalism with libertarianism in the United States.[40] As Noam Chomsky put it, a consistent libertarian "must oppose private ownership of the means of production and wage slavery, which is a component of this system, as incompatible with the principle that labor must be freely undertaken and under the control of the producer."[41]

In a chapter recounting the history of libertarian socialism, economist Robin Hahnel relates that thus far the period where libertarian socialism has had its greatest impact was at the end of the 19th century through the first four decades of the twentieth century.

Early in the twentieth century, libertarian socialism was as powerful a force as social democracy and communism. The Libertarian International– founded at the Congress of Saint Imier a few days after the split between Marxist and libertarians at the congress of the Socialist International held in The Hague in 1872– competed successfully against social democrats and communists alike for the loyalty of anticapitalist activists, revolutionaries, workers, unions and political parties for over fifty years. Libertarian socialists played a major role in the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917. Libertarian socialists played a dominant role in the Mexican Revolution of 1911. Twenty years after World War I was over, libertarian socialists were still strong enough to spearhead the social revolution that swept across Republican Spain in 1936 and 1937.[42]

On the other hand a libertarian trend also developed within marxism which gained visibility around the late 1910s mainly in reaction against Bolshevism and Leninism rising to power and establishing the Soviet Union.

Libertarian socialists are anti-capitalist, and can thus be distinguished from right-wing libertarians. Whereas capitalist (and right-libertarian) principles concentrate economic power in the hands of those who own the most capital, libertarian socialism aims to distribute power, and thus freedom, more equally amongst members of society. A key difference between libertarian socialism and capitalist libertarianism is that advocates of the former generally believe that one's degree of freedom is affected by one's economic and social status, whereas advocates of the latter focus on freedom of choice within a capitalist framework. This is sometimes characterized as a desire to maximize "free creativity" in a society in preference to "free enterprise."[43]

Within anarchism there emerged a critique of wage slavery which refers to a situation perceived as quasi-voluntary slavery,[44] where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially when the dependence is total and immediate.[45][46] It is a negatively connoted term used to draw an analogy between slavery and wage labor by focusing on similarities between owning and renting a person. The term wage slavery has been used to criticize economic exploitation and social stratification, with the former seen primarily as unequal bargaining power between labor and capital (particularly when workers are paid comparatively low wages, e.g. in sweatshops),[47] and the latter as a lack of workers' self-management, fulfilling job choices and leisure in an economy.[48][49][50] Libertarian socialists believe if freedom is valued, then society must work towards a system in which individuals have the power to decide economic issues along with political issues. Libertarian socialists seek to replace unjustified authority with direct democracy, voluntary federation, and popular autonomy in all aspects of life,[51] including physical communities and economic enterprises. With the advent of the industrial revolution, thinkers such as Proudhon and Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery in the context of a critique of societal property not intended for active personal use,[52][53] Luddites emphasized the dehumanization brought about by machines while later Emma Goldman famously denounced wage slavery by saying: "The only difference is that you are hired slaves instead of block slaves.".[54]

Many libertarian socialists argue that large-scale voluntary associations should manage industrial manufacture, while workers retain rights to the individual products of their labor.[55] As such, they see a distinction between the concepts of "private property" and "personal possession". Whereas "private property" grants an individual exclusive control over a thing whether it is in use or not, and regardless of its productive capacity, "possession" grants no rights to things that are not in use.[56]

Libertarian socialists generally regard concentrations of power as sources of oppression that must be continually challenged and justified. Most libertarian socialists believe that when power is exercised, as exemplified by the economic, social, or physical dominance of one individual over another, the burden of proof is always on the authoritarian to justify their action as legitimate when taken against its effect of narrowing the scope of human freedom.[57] Libertarian socialists typically oppose rigid and stratified structures of authority, be they political, economic, or social.[58]

In lieu of corporations and states, libertarian socialists seek to organize society into voluntary associations (usually collectives, communes, municipalities, cooperatives, commons, or syndicates) that use direct democracy or consensus for their decision-making process. Some libertarian socialists advocate combining these institutions using rotating, recallable delegates to higher-level federations.[59] Spanish anarchism is a major example of such federations in practice.

Contemporary examples of libertarian socialist organizational and decision-making models in practice include a number of anti-capitalist and global justice movements[60] including Zapatista Councils of Good Government and the Global Indymedia network (which covers 45 countries on six continents). There are also many examples of indigenous societies around the world whose political and economic systems can be accurately described as anarchist or libertarian socialist, each of which is unique and uniquely suited to the culture that birthed it.[61] For libertarians, that diversity of practice within a framework of common principles is proof of the vitality of those principles and of their flexibility and strength.

Contrary to popular opinion, libertarian socialism has not traditionally been a utopian movement, tending to avoid dense theoretical analysis or prediction of what a future society would or should look like. The tradition instead has been that such decisions cannot be made now, and must be made through struggle and experimentation, so that the best solution can be arrived at democratically and organically, and to base the direction for struggle on established historical example. They point out that the success of the scientific method comes from its adherence to open rational exploration, not its conclusions, in sharp contrast to dogma and predetermined predictions. To libertarian socialists, dogmatic approaches to social organization are doomed to failure; and thus they reject Marxist notions of linear and inevitable historical progression.[citation needed] Noted anarchist Rudolf Rocker once stated, "I am an anarchist not because I believe anarchism is the final goal, but because there is no such thing as a final goal".[62]

Because libertarian socialism encourages exploration and embraces a diversity of ideas rather than forming a compact movement, there have arisen inevitable controversies over individuals who describe themselves as libertarian socialists but disagree with some of the core principles of libertarian socialism. For example, Peter Hain interprets libertarian socialism as minarchist rather than anarchist, favoring radical decentralization of power without going as far as the complete abolition of the state[63] and libertarian socialist Noam Chomsky supports dismantling all forms of unjustified social or economic power, while also emphasizing that state intervention should be supported as a temporary protection while oppressive structures remain in existence.

Proponents are known for opposing the existence of states or government and refusing to participate in coercive state institutions. Indeed, in the past many refused to swear oaths in court or to participate in trials, even when they faced imprisonment[64] or deportation.[65]

Civil liberties and individual freedom[edit]
Main articles: Free love, Anarchism and issues related to love and sex, Anarchism and religion, Anarcha-feminism, Anarchism and education, Queer anarchism and Individualist anarchism
Libertarian socialists have been strong advocates and activists of civil liberties that provide an individual specific rights such as the freedom in issues of love and sex (free love) (see Anarchism and issues related to love and sex) and of thought and conscience (freethought). In this activism they have clashed with state and religious institutions which have limited such rights (see Anarchism and religion). Anarchism has been an important advocate of free love since its birth. Later a strong tendency of free love appeared alongside anarcha-feminism and advocacy of LGBT rights (see Anarchism and issues related to LGBTI persons). In recent times anarchism has also voiced opinions and taken action around certain sex related subjects such as pornography,[66] BDSM[67] and the sex industry.[67]


American anarchist Emma Goldman, prominent anarcha-feminist, free love and freethought activist
Anarcha-feminism developed as a synthesis of radical feminism and anarchism that views patriarchy (male domination over women) as a fundamental manifestation of compulsory government. It was inspired by the late 19th-century writings of early feminist anarchists such as Lucy Parsons, Emma Goldman, Voltairine de Cleyre and Virginia Bolten. Anarcha-feminists, like other radical feminists, criticise and advocate the abolition of traditional conceptions of family, education and gender roles. Also the council communist Sylvia Pankhurst was a feminist activist as well as a libertarian marxist. Anarchists also took a pioneering interest in issues related to LGBTI persons. An important current within anarchism is free love.[68] Free love advocates sometimes traced their roots back to the early anarchist Josiah Warren and to experimental communities, viewed sexual freedom as a clear, direct expression of an individual's self-ownership. Free love particularly stressed women's rights since most sexual laws discriminated against women: for example, marriage laws and anti-birth control measures.[69]

Libertarian socialists have traditionally been skeptical of and opposed to organized religion.[70] Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of science, logic, and reason, and should not be influenced by authority, tradition, or other dogmas.[45][71] The cognitive application of freethought is known as "freethinking," and practitioners of freethought are known as "freethinkers."[45] In the United States, "freethought was a basically anti-Christian, anti-clerical movement, whose purpose was to make the individual politically and spiritually free to decide for himself on religious matters. A number of contributors to Liberty (anarchist publication) were prominent figures in both freethought and anarchism. The individualist anarchist George MacDonald was a co-editor of Freethought and, for a time, The Truth Seeker. E.C. Walker was co-editor of the...free-thought / free love journal Lucifer, the Light-Bearer".[72] Free Society (1895–1897 as The Firebrand; 1897–1904 as Free Society) was a major anarchist newspaper in the United States at the end of the nineteenth and beginning of the twentieth centuries.[73] The publication staunchly advocated free love and women's rights, and critiqued "Comstockery" – censorship of sexual information. In 1901, Catalan anarchist and free-thinker Francesc Ferrer i Guàrdia established "modern" or progressive schools in Barcelona in defiance of an educational system controlled by the Catholic Church.[74] The schools' stated goal was to "educate the working class in a rational, secular and non-coercive setting". Fiercely anti-clerical, Ferrer believed in "freedom in education", education free from the authority of church and state[75] (see Anarchism and education). Later in the 20th century Austrian freudo-marxist Wilhelm Reich became a consistent propagandist for sexual freedom going as far as opening free sex-counselling clinics in Vienna for working-class patients[76] as well as coining the phrase "sexual revolution" in one of his books from the 1940s.[77] During the early 1970s the anarchist and pacifist Alex Comfort achieved international celebrity for writing the sex manuals The Joy of Sex and More Joy of Sex.

Violent and non-violent means[edit]
See also: Anarchism and violence
Some libertarian socialists see violent revolution as necessary in the abolition of capitalist society, while others advocate non-violent methods. Along with many others, Errico Malatesta argued that the use of violence was necessary; as he put it in Umanità Nova (no. 125, September 6, 1921):

It is our aspiration and our aim that everyone should become socially conscious and effective; but to achieve this end, it is necessary to provide all with the means of life and for development, and it is therefore necessary to destroy with violence, since one cannot do otherwise, the violence that denies these means to the workers.[78]

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon argued in favor of a non-violent revolution through a process of dual power in which libertarian socialist institutions would be established and form associations enabling the formation of an expanding network within the existing state-capitalist framework with the intention of eventually rendering both the state and the capitalist economy obsolete. The progression towards violence in anarchism stemmed, in part, from the massacres of some of the communes inspired by the ideas of Proudhon and others. Many anarcho-communists began to see a need for revolutionary violence to counteract the violence inherent in both capitalism and government.[79]

Anarcho-pacifism is a tendency within the anarchist movement which rejects the use of violence in the struggle for social change.[80][81] The main early influences were the thought of Henry David Thoreau[81] and Leo Tolstoy.[80][81] It developed "mostly in Holland (sic), Britain, and the United States, before and during the Second World War".[82] Opposition to the use of violence has not prohibited anarcho-pacifists from accepting the principle of resistance or even revolutionary action (see: non-violent revolution) provided it does not result in violence; it was in fact their approval of such forms of opposition to power that lead many anarcho-pacifists to endorse the anarcho-syndicalist concept of the general strike as the great revolutionary weapon. Later anarcho-pacifists have also come to endorse to non-violent strategy of dual power.

Other anarchists have believed that violence (especially self-defense) is justified as a way to provoke social upheaval which could lead to a social revolution.

Green anarchism, or ecoanarchism, is a school of thought within anarchism which puts a particular emphasis on environmental issues. An important early influence was the thought of the American anarchist Henry David Thoreau and his book Walden,[83] as well as Leo Tolstoy[84] and Elisee Reclus.[85][86] In the late 19th century there emerged anarcho-naturism as the fusion of anarchism and naturist philosophies within individualist anarchist circles in France, Spain, Cuba[87] and Portugal.[83][84] Important contemporary currents are anarcho-primitivism and social ecology.[88] An important meeting place for international libertarian socialism in the early 1990s was the journal Democracy & Nature in which prominent activists and theorists such as Takis Fotopoulos, Noam Chomsky,[89] Murray Bookchin and Cornelius Castoriadis[90] wrote. The journal promoted a green libertarian socialism when it manifested as its aims that:

“   ...the public realm has to be extended beyond the traditional political domain to the economic and broader social domains so that the reintegration of society with the economy, polity and Nature can be achieved. In this sense, democracy should be seen as irreconcilable with any form of inequity in the distribution of power, that is, with any concentration of power, political, social or economic. Consequently, democracy is incompatible with commodity and property relations, which inevitably lead to concentration of power. Similarly, it is incompatible with hierarchical structures implying domination, either institutionalised (e.g., domination of women by men), or "objective" (e.g., domination of the South by the North in the framework of the capitalist division of labour), and the implied notion of dominating the natural world. Finally, democracy is fundamentally incompatible with any closed system of beliefs, dogmas, or ideas. So, democracy, for us, has nothing to do with the present dominant liberal conception of democracy... "Our aims" by Democracy & Nature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
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"Socialism is a type of economic system. Economists refer to the socialist economy as a “command economy.”
"Social-anarchist" is different from "socialist", just as anarchist socialism is different from centralized socialism. Command economy socialists are authoritarian collectivists, where as social anarchists like me are anti-authoritarian collectivists. Refer to the graph above - Stalin is an authoritarian leftist. I am not, which is why we occupy different quadrants in the graph.

Bitcoin is not something Stalin would have ever supported. In fact, Bitcoin is going to make command economies impossible in the not-too-distant future.

Anarchist socialism is an oxymoron. Socialism is inherently centralized, because without a centralized state to obtain peoples resources by force, there is no socialism. You pretend to be anarchist but you support a system which requires state authoritarianism to function.
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This is some absurd online personality you're using to troll people.
Denial is a normal and healthy part of the grieving process.  This is a good sign, it means you're on the path towards acceptance, the final phase of grief.

Here, I'll help: The sooner you accept the death of your imaginary friend(s) of choice, the sooner you can resume your long-stalled intellectual growth.

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln or J. J. Phillips
Although today we banish outright slavery from this land, let us remember that this is only the beginning of the struggle against the far more widespread problem that is wage-slavery.

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln or J. J. Phillips
Let us not forget that most of the founding fathers of america were wealthy property owners who also owned slaves. Perhaps their judgment was not infallible

This is a fun game! Completely off topic to the OP, but we wouldn't want to let a little technicality like irrelevance get in the way of your weak attempts at slandering my character!

 Your turn again.
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have.

Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist

Hitler was definitely and obviously not a capitalist. The fact that you would call him a capitalist supports my suspicion that you're not being serious. This is some absurd online personality you're using to troll people.

Now, let me support my assertion: Hitler was not a capitalist. I can do this with quotes from Hitler's speeches and writings, mixed with some quotes from you for comparison.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
Christian capitalism is already as good as destroyed

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
However, every proposal, coming as it did from me, was sufficient to cause excitement among a certain Jewish-international-capitalist clique, just as it used to happen formerly in Germany when every reasonable proposal was rejected only because it was made by National Socialists.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
But the ruthlessness of the capitalist plutocrats in these countries always broke through in a short time

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This collection of capitalist interests on the one hand, Jewish instincts of hatred and the emigrants' lust for revenge, succeeded in increasingly beclouding the world, enveloping it in phrases, and in inciting it against the present German Reich, just as against the Reich which preceded us.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
They can wage wars for their capitalist interests, but in the end these wars will open the way for social risings within the nations; for in the long run it is impossible that hundreds of millions of human beings should be aligned according to the interests of a few individuals. In the long run the greater interest of mankind is bound to prevail over the interests of these little plutocratic profiteers.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
But this world government is affected not by the power of an idea, but essentially by force, and where force does not suffice, by the power of capitalist or economic interests.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
"World Financial Crisis" is a euphemism, designed to conceal the violence of the system. Capitalism is the crisis

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
One speaks about freedom, one speaks about democracy, one speaks about the achievements of a Liberal system meaning nothing but the stabilization of the regime of a section of society, which, thanks to its capital, is able to get hold of the Press, to organize and direct it, and to create public opinion.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
The British and their Jewish capitalist backers could find no other explanation for this appeal, which I had made on humanitarian grounds, than the assumption of weakness on the part of Germany.

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... while on the one hand he organizes capitalistic methods of human exploitation to their ultimate consequence, he approaches the very victims of his spirit and his activity and in a short time becomes the leader of their struggle against himself. 'Against himself' is only figuratively speaking; for the great master of lies understands as always how to make himself appear to be the pure one and to load the blame on others.

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Wealth in capitalism functions similarly to gravity/mass in universe. Larger masses attract more mass than smaller masses.

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It is the crisis which we see in the relations between capital, economics, and people. This crisis is particularly obvious in the relations between our workmen and the employers. Here the crisis has been more acute than in any other country in the world....

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
The National Socialist program replaces the liberalistic conception of the individual by the conception of a people bound by their blood to the soil.

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Capitalism has been declining for the past twenty years. It is a dying system on life support, and the evidence is all around you. It remains to be seen how long people are willing and able to ignore the slow death of capitalism. How much suffering can we endure before we accept that it's time to start thinking about what comes next?

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
I can very well understand that there are interested parties who profit more from war than from peace, and I also understand that for a certain variety of international journalist it is more interesting to report on war than on peaceful activities or cultural achievements, which they are incapable of either judging or understanding. And finally it is clear to me that there is a certain Jewish international capitalism and journalism that has no feeling at all in common with the people whose interests they pretend to represent, but who, like Herostrates of old, regard incendiarism as the greatest success of their lives. But there is still another reason why I feel obliged to voice my opinion.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
When reading certain international press publications, or listening to speeches of various capitalist glorifiers of war, I consider myself entitled to speak and reply in the name of those who are forced to serve as the living substance for the mental activities of these formulators of war aims, that living substance to which I myself belonged as an unknown soldier for more than four years during the Great War.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
All systems seek equilibrium in nature, only an outside force can prevent it. Capitalism is a system of non-equilbrium, dependant on constant hierarchy-based violence to keep things out of balance.

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Of course, a fundamental social principle was necessary to achieve this. It is today no longer possible to build up a state on a capitalistic basis. The peoples eventually begin to stir. The awakening of the peoples cannot be prevented by wars. On the contrary, war will only hasten it. Such states will be ruined by financial catastrophes which will destroy the foundations of their own former financial policy.

Quote from: Hilter or Beliathon
It's not a one-way street from culture to profit-making, it's a feedback loop between culture and profit, which is responding to the incentives created by the profit model. Profit finds a way to be made in capitalism, just as water finds a way to flow down to sea level.

You're welcome.
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Bitcoin is not something Stalin would have ever supported. In fact, Bitcoin is going to make command economies impossible in the not-too-distant future.

God is going to make every form of money - and maybe every form of sex - both irrelevant and undesirable in the not-too-distant future.

Smiley
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Remember, anything that Beliathon says, is or can be couched in political science, which essentially says anything goes, especially if you can get away with it.

Smiley
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"Socialism is a type of economic system. Economists refer to the socialist economy as a “command economy.”
"Social-anarchist" is different from "socialist", just as anarchist socialism is different from centralized socialism. Command economy socialists are authoritarian collectivists, where as social anarchists like me are anti-authoritarian collectivists. Refer to the graph above - Stalin is an authoritarian leftist. I am not, which is why we occupy different quadrants in the graph.

Bitcoin is not something Stalin would have ever supported. In fact, Bitcoin is going to make command economies impossible in the not-too-distant future.
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"Socialism is a type of economic system. Economists refer to the socialist economy as a “command economy.” This means that a central planning body—the state—makes all of the economic decisions, commanding the actions of the people in the economy. In contrast to the free market, socialism necessarily hinges on the use of force by the central planners, not voluntary cooperation between people. In this respect, the essence of socialism is economically akin to tribal and slave economies, in which economic decisions, including the methods, values, and ends of production, are dictated by the chief of the tribe or the slave owner.

When the central planners of the socialist state own and dictate the producer goods and means of production, production is inherently inefficient because economic calculation is destroyed. This is problematic because modern economies with advanced divisions of labor are necessarily dependent on sound economic calculation. Economic calculation economizes—makes efficient—the division of labor. (One distinction before moving on: Socialism differs from fascism in that with fascism, the state exerts regulatory control over production—though the effects of both—and communism—are largely the same.)"

http://www.voicesofliberty.com/article/the-economics-of-why-socialism-fails/
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Hitler was (...) a leftist authoritarian (in the same corner you belong in Liathon, right next to Stalin)
Historically, this is a provably inaccurate statement. He belongs precisely where the 4-way political compass placed him on that graph.

Your ignorance is not as good as my knowledge, I'm afraid.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2



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Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have.

Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist
World Citizen Beliathon: Reasonable anti-capitalist social-anarchist



I am the future. Authoritarianism is the past.

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon



Hitler lead the National Socialist German Workers Party. He was a leftist authoritarian (in the same corner you belong in Liathon, right next to Stalin). He was for environmentalism, animal rights, anti religion, and believed that the state should occupy the space that was left behind after they destroyed the family unit, the national culture, and the concept of God. Libertarians are by definition capitalists, because they believe in personal responsibility, self sufficiency, and free trade. You belong on the polar opposite side. Making yourself more libertarian and leftist than Ghandi was a nice touch of arrogance and self delusion as well. Libertarianism means something very specific in this chart, the true intended definition of which you are abandoning for your own preferential definition of words which are only recognized in your locality.
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Fallacies.  Fallacies everywhere.
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I have noticed that many anti-captialists, many social-anarchists are autocratic and dictatorial in shoving their policies on others.
I'm extremely skeptical about the legitimacy of this claim. Please provide one example where an anarchist "shoved", dictated, hoisted, or otherwise forced their policies on you?

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Such is the opposite of freedom to choose, which is at the core of capitalism and at the heart of fascism.
A market is a force of tremendous coercion, a primitive crutch for a species that has not yet grasped the meaning of the word efficiency.

In this system,  only those few who possess infinite or near-infinite freedom tickets are truly free. Everyone else is a slave.  That's why criminals are willing to risk their lives with armed bank robbery.
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Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have.

Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist
World Citizen Beliathon: Reasonable anti-capitalist social-anarchist



I am the future. Authoritarianism is the past.

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon


Thanks for the clarifiction.  However I have noticed that many anti-captialists, many social-anarchists are autocratic and dictatorial in shoving their policies on others.

Such is the opposite of freedom to choose, which is at the core of capitalism and at the heart of fascism.

Looks to me like this consists of denying the authoritarianism of the past, while enabling that of the future, ever more controlling and restricting.

So I take back what I said...

Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....


Is it reasonable to correct the assertion to something like...

Ah...

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The New Improved Master Race....


Lazy. That's what they are: lazy; lazy and dull. If they weren't so lazy, they would get off their duffs and become capitalists, too.

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Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have.

Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist
World Citizen Beliathon: Reasonable anti-capitalist social-anarchist



I am the future. Authoritarianism is the past.

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon


Thanks for the clarifiction.  However I have noticed that many anti-captialists, many social-anarchists are autocratic and dictatorial in shoving their policies on others.

Such is the opposite of freedom to choose, which is at the core of capitalism and at the heart of fascism.

Looks to me like this consists of denying the authoritarianism of the past, while enabling that of the future, ever more controlling and restricting.

So I take back what I said...

Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....


Is it reasonable to correct the assertion to something like...

Ah...

Oh yes...

The New Improved Master Race....
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Oh yes please feel us I on how capitalism is so bad while you use it.
If I try to use anything other than capitalism, men in blue costumes will either put me in a cage or murder me. Were this not the case, I would at this moment be openly stealing all the produce from the local Whole Foods and delivering it to food banks and shelters around the city.



So a economy running on your plan would be just to steal from the local grocery stores for food banks? who is to stop people from stealing from the food banks let alone all the other problems you have with this thought.
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Oh yes please feel us I on how capitalism is so bad while you use it.
If I try to use anything other than capitalism, men in blue costumes will either put me in a cage or murder me. Were this not the case, I would at this moment be openly stealing all the produce from the local Whole Foods and delivering it to food banks and shelters around the city.

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Ah....

Oh yes...

The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have.

Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist
World Citizen Beliathon: Reasonable anti-capitalist social-anarchist



I am the future. Authoritarianism is the past.

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon



Oh yes please feel us I on how capitalism is so bad while you use it.
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