Topic: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God - page 19. (Read 37272 times)

Yes, all sane men know fear. I fear suffering. As a child I suffered more than my fair share, and wish to suffer as little as possible for the remainder of my life, however long that may be.



Oh but I do know. I know because, just as a doctor who forsakes "do no harm" forsakes the right to call himself a doctor, the moment a scientist starts dealing in superstition, he forfeits the right to call himself a scientist. In that moment he becomes an impostor of the foulest sort.

This is why "Christian Scientists" (lol) have such an abysmal reputation among real scientists.

Except that you don't know that. Just because you may have not heard it yet, doesn't mean that some scientist hasn't already said it in the hearing of others, some of whom might have even read your statement.

The fact that some scientists have never considered "cause and effect, entropy, and universe complexity" combined, certainly has to be factual considering the great number of scientists out there. And probably, when they consider it, there will be some of them that will not come to the conclusion that "there is no other answer except God." And there will be many who will not like the conclusion, so they will not accept it even when they see it is truth.


Quite the contrary. Religion is the opening of all kinds of avenues of scientific endeavor. Why? Because it is God Who made it all. And it is God Who can make even more if He so desires.

It is the people who will not accept the undeniable conclusion that God exists, that comes from examining "cause and effect, entropy, and universe complexity" combined and in detail, who are limiting mankind not only to a weak and unnatural universe, but also to an absence of God, the Creator of all things, and the only One Who can create even more.


Denying the fact of the existence of God doesn't take Him away. It only places the one who denies into a position of weakness because he won't take hold of the strength of God that God is holding out to every person.



Science might offer up a God for all to view, if it would only digest "cause and effect, entropy, and universe complexity" combined and in detail. Then it would see that there is absolutely a God holding everything in place.

Since most of science doesn't want to do this (it seems), the only final result will be the destruction of science by a the God who is the Absolute Authority, and has been holding Himself back all this while in mercy and grace, knowing that when it comes to reality, scientists are so extremely retarded, that they are "special children" who need a lot of guidance in the hopes that they will turn into thinking adults someday.

But God won't wait forever. He will only wait until their death. And if He moves before their natural death, their life might be snuffed out prematurely, all of it gone, before they have a chance to turn to God and be saved.

Christianity means we will not fear, for the Lord stands with us, who else can be against us? There's no fear, when you have faith in God.

Do you fear?

You mean to say that in order to understand God, one must become like God in our understanding and the only way to do this is through science, yes?

Why do you feel the need to have a God-like understanding of this universe?

Now there's a phrase you'll never hear from the mouth of a scientist.  Science is concerned with the probability of various explanations for observed phenomena. It doesn't deal in absolutes. Every answer science provides leads to ever more questions. Religion is the hubristic slamming shut of billions of doors of possibility, except one: God.

I know our indifferent and often cruel universe can be pretty terrifying to fathom, theists, but hiding under the safety blanket for fear of monsters is for children,  not adults.

And if, in the end, there does happen to be a creator(s),  organized religion only serves to hamper a true understanding of his/her/their creation. Only science can ever hope to offer a god-like understanding of this universe. That ought to convert every rational seeker of god(s) to the cause of science. But of course nearly all theists would prefer to cling blindly to their dogma like infants rather than understand reality ad best we currently understand it.

ITT: Theists who don't appreciate the irony of their Prophet Skepticism.

rofl!

We don't know, you don't know, they don't know, no one knows.
Therefore God.
Theists 1. Atheists 0

Except, when you combine all that we know about cause and effect, entropy, and universe complexity, there is no other answer except God. This is from scientific observation. God means religion. Not recognizing God, but perverting the science instead, means religion. Either it is a religion of God, or it is a religion of science.

I think as people know more about the world they live in and the science behind how it works, religion is going to continue to wane. It is just going to get harder and harder to convince people that a sky man is secretly controlling the universe. It seems silly to even say it anymore.

Seriously?..... Your prime example of defending your argument is a book called Sex at Dawn?  A book that picks out random studies and twists them to mislead its readers... a book who's co-author spent his time traveling around banging Bangkok prostitutes?  A book that was rejected by Oxford University Press, a book that has "biased reporting of data, theoretical and evidentiary shortcomings, and problematic assumptions"?

I'd agree with Ryan Ellsworth that this book will project "a distorted portrayal of current theory and evidence on evolved human sexuality" to the general public.

This book is simply an attempt to discredit the standard norms of sex in society. I would also argue its just a lame way for the author to justify his own sex life with himself and his wife and push their lifestyle on others by twisting scientific data to fit their lifestyle and act like everyone is just made this way, but that's just me.

There are more scientific studies to support whatever the fuck you want to push these days. I have faith that people are intelligent enough to realize authors write books these days to sell them, to make money. Controversial books make money. They are not seeking truth or scientific data about a subject, they are seeking whatever scientific "data" and stories they can find to support whatever spin on the subject they want to convey, whether its subconsciously done or not.

Don't accept crap like this book as "fact", its a bunch of hogwash.

http://www.academia.edu/1897201/The_Myth_of_Promiscuity

The passages in Revelation are coming to pass. You can read some of the things predicted thousands of years ago, and actually see them happening now. I asked this in my Predictions thread, "... I still think it's remarkable that the bible has predicted so many things thousands of years into the future and we're seeing some of them happen. Think anyone alive back then would have thought there would be a worldwide currency based solely on a mark, thought it all up themselves thousands of years ago? Well obviously you believe that. Because otherwise, it was a prophecy from God."

We also have the prediction in the bible about hell being in an abyss beneath us, in the ground. And that it will be opened. They now have CERN that is underground and working with antimatter. It has the statue of a false idol shiva, the destroyer of worlds, right outside. It's dedicated to a false idol. If they cannot keep this antimatter held, then it is free to freak out upon the earth. Nothing will hold it. What if the power goes out? What if an earthquake breaks CERN open?

Revelation 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him. 2He opened the bottomless pit, and smoke went up out of the pit, like the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke of the pit. 3Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power

Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

More about the opening of the Abyss from the bible

Cern - From a cavern 100 metres below a small Swiss village, the 7000-tonne ATLAS detector is probing for fundamental particles

There are so many people against it running, even Stephen Hawking. CERN To Attempt ‘Big Bang’ In March, Stephen Hawking Issues Warning  (They started working on this, this month, more info on my thread)

"Dr. Stephen Hawking recently warned that the reactivation in March of CERN’s large hadron collider could pose grave dangers to our planet…the ultimate reality check we are warned. Hawking has come straight out and said the ‘God particle’ found by CERN “could destroy the universe” leaving time and space collapsed as shared in the 2nd video."

Top Scientists Issue HUGE ALERT: Everything In Place To Open Gates of Hell This Year-2015.

CERN Watch: Scientists Talk Of 'Wormholes' And Other 'Dimensions' - Will CERN Open The Gates Of Hell?

March 23, 2015: CERN RESTARTS OPENING GATES OF HELL 666

Edit: Those who don't believe, have their hearts hardened... proof will never be proof enough.

If this were 500 years ago, this would be about the oart of the discussion when I would see myself out of town, for fear of being burned alive.

This is true. The Bible predictions come through the Spirit of God enlightening mankind about the future. Mankind attempting to determine the future without God's explicit pronouncements, simply can't tell the future.

The point I was trying to make is to show people who believe in science and observation of the universe, that they can see for a fact that God exists. Will it do any good? I don't know. They won't be saved without getting some of the Word of God into themselves somehow. Perhaps showing them that God exists according to their own science and observation will prompt them to attempt to find out what God is all about.

If Beliathon is the devil, himself, he won't be able to be swayed no matter what he is shown. He will only, ultimately be destroyed. But if he is a human being, as long as he can post with the rationality he seems to have, there is a chance he can be saved.

The bible gives predictions of what will happen. Things that have already been successfully predicted, and other things written will come to be.

Why do you continue on like this? I have shown, right in this thread a little, that God not only exists, but that He is controller of everything. In the Why do Atheists hate Religion ? thread I have shown this in irrefutable ways, based on anything that we know today. Links to my best posts in that thread that virtually prove God to exist are https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11870122 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11864476 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11869484. And there are many more in that thread. And there is this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Since God is has been virtually proven to exist (although most of His traits haven't been proven), and since He has been shown to exert control of everything right down to the present, the only way anyone can make an accurate determination about any future event is to know the thinking of God. Nobody knows the thinking of God, the way He is going to act in the future. Because of this, nobody knows the future.

The closest we can come to knowing the general future about religion is to look at the past. God has never allowed religion to be destroyed in the past. Religion has always come back stronger than ever. This is the thing that will happen this time as well.

Wake up. You are only making a fool of yourself at best, and destroying yourself at worst.

i think is better whitout religion...religion holding you back...