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Quote from: tokeweed on September 01, 2023, 07:11:58 AM

Yeah dunno... Namajunas kinda looks frail for a fighter at 115. I guess we'll just have to see how she looks when she faces off with Fiorot in a couple of hours.

She always looked frail, even as a strawweight Grin

Yey, she would often find a way to knock other girls out with that skinny arms.
The one factor I haven't consider is jet lag. No idea when has she arrived to Paris, but hopefully she had enough time to adapt. I've heard many fighters saying that's actually a bigger problem that anyone could think.
As much as I don't support female martial arts, I think that one would be much more interesting than Gane Vs Spivac.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 31, 2023, 12:01:10 PM

Yup. If she's mentally in the right place on Saturday, she's my favourite.

Yeah dunno... Namajunas kinda looks frail for a fighter at 115. I guess we'll just have to see how she looks when she faces off with Fiorot in a couple of hours.

And if anything, I see this match up as a 'I'll retire if I don't look good in this fight' kinda thing. I don't think she has it in her anymore. But still... Not sure about the 1.50 line for Fiorot tho.

UFC Paris: Ceremonial Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AQvLF7LcY8

Here are the weigh in results. Everybody made it.

Ciryl Gane (250) vs Serghei Spivac (256)
Manon Fiorot (125) vs Rose Namajunas (125)
Thiago Moises (156) vs Benoit Saint-Denis (156)
Bogdan Guskov (205) vs Volkan Oezdemir (205)
Yanis Ghemmouri (146) vs William Gomis – (146)
Morgan Charriere (146) vs Manolo Zecchini (146)
Taylor Lapilus vs Caolan Loughran (136)
Ange Loosa (171) vs Rhys McKee (171)
Nora Cornolle (136) vs Joselyne Edwards (136)
Farid Basharat (136) vs Kleydson Rodrigues (134.5)
Jacqueline Cavalcanti (139) vs Zarah Fairn (140)

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Sheeesh, Conor McGregor again… Arent we are giving him to much attention? I will try to explain my thoughts. The guys claims to be a fighter, while doing zero to have a fight. If he really intended to return, he would be first in line to pass USADA test, first to select opponent. What we have a guy who is like girl on period, dont know when he would fight, says this year or next year, or not gonna fight at all. And I am afraid, that even if we see him in octagon, his opponent gonna finish hin in first round (in case his opponent is not a guy about to retire). We await a fight so much, that gonna last less than 5 min with a loss fighter we wait so much.

I couldn't agree more. All his talk is just a hot air, but just by looking at him I have an impression of looking at already retired fighter, it's just the vibe he's sending out. It's like all the competiveness and drive are gone. Even before the injury he wasn't looking great in the 2nd fight with Poirier, and the level in UFC only keeps getting up. And, as someone mentioned, no fighter has ever returned from a broken leg injury to a previous level.
There's a big chance his next fight will be his last and I think he realises that.

Current McGregor reminds me of a story about the girls who shoutes “wolves” many times, but when the real wolves came, no one believed her. This is about Conor. He shouts that he will fight, then when he really fights, no one would be interesting in him. If we put aside his fame, are many of you interested to see him fighting? When was the last time his left hand shock the world? When was the last time he showed something impressive? Like combo, take down or escaped from something nasty?

I will definitely say that Connor McGregor is not actually a good fighter anymore. People just try to keep him relevant by talking about him and that is also what Connor McGregor ones in my opinion. He does not have good fighting skills anymore.

Let’s be honest, Conor McGregor was never a good all-rounded fighter. He had the "Left-hand", that touch of death as some people say. But the "touch of death" comes at a cost. He never had good conditioning. If he went three rounds in a fight he was done. But if he was able to catch his opponent with his left hand, it was over.

Anyway, I don’t think he actually has that anymore. Nevertheless, his ability to captivate remains unparalleled, substantiating the notion that he may continue to amass considerable revenue for the UFC.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 29, 2023, 04:36:15 PM

I have no doubt that Chandler will be ready, the question is if McGregor will. As far as we know he hasn't re-entered the USADA pool yet, and the soonest he can fight is 6 months from re-entering (unless they make an exemption for him).

For sure Michael Chandler is ready for this while Conor McGregor has a problem with USADA I really don't know if Conor McGregor will have a time with his preparation for this USADA test or if the UFC can make an exception and tell USADA to let Conor have his fight by not taking the USADA test I think there will be a under the table transaction that might be going on,

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 29, 2023, 04:36:15 PM

I knew who he was even before I saw his face or saw any of his fights, because Dana White was propping him up on many different occasions. So it doesn't look like they're trying to side-line him because his not entertaining enough, but more like his building his career at the right pace. He already pretty famous for a guy with only 5 fights who's not even ranked in the top ten.
And it's not like being loud and mouthy = more entertaining. Everyone trying to be next McGregor became annoying and gets boring pretty quickly (see Paddy Pimblett)

I agree, and for sure Ian Machado Garry will come his time to hit the bucket aswell, it was really annoying to see fighters impersonating their favorite fighter for sure this is not wrong or this is really OK but it is really annoying to surely witness it, while Sean O'Malley got a unique way on being himself, actually I don't really like the guy but seeing his stunts and wacky antics on YouTube it was really funny and playful, he is showing his otherside that he didn't likely showing inside the Octagon,

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2023, 08:53:47 AM

Imagine watching pre fight promotion in a fight like Bo Nickal vs someone like Shavkal Rakhmonov. One is to positive to trashtalk, the other barely speaks English. Most boring talks in pre fight, savage fight in cage. I just cant imagine a promotion interviews with someone like Makhachev vs Rakhmonov. It will be like “I will win you” “ok, try”. The end Grin

For me this is my opinion I think that Bo Nickal is not ready yet against Shavkat Rahmonov, for me Bo Nickal is really great but for sure he is not ready for a Shavkat Rakhmonov but if the exchange fighter for Kelvin Gastelum was Bo Nickal then I think Bo Nickal really wants to fight that badly then we could really see a Shavkal Rakhmonov VS Bo Nickal fight,

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Even Dana White has said he has, “no clue” if Conor McGregor is going to be able to fight in December or not. He confirmed that the UFC has no plans for him to fight at this time and no knowledge if he’ll be able to fight or not. I guess the rumor is going around because of an AI generated advertisement and has no basis in reality.

^ Well, I definitely know that if Connor McGregor was actually going to fight in December, the UFC was definitely going to do a great deal of marketing about that. We all know how Dana White absolutely loves Conor McGregor. So if he was actually fighting, the UFC was definitely going to talk a lot about it. And at the same time, I think we should understand that these are just people who want to see Conor McGregor fight again. They are the ones making these types of videos or spreading these news. And sometimes it is also the newspapers who want to increase the traffic on their pages.

You think Dana will ignore USADA and go on to allow Connor to fight? Maybe it will depend on how much his opponent will ask for his cut. I think it was Chandler who said he wouldn't fight Connor because he is a junkie. I couldn't be sure. But that word came out to the public.

If the money is right and Dana getting more than what he pays for, he might just strike a deal for getting Connor into USADA in just a short period of time. Money can do a lot of things.

^ There are some reasons why I don't believe this is going to happen. First of all, Conor McGregor is the money fighte in UFC still. It does not matter if he fights good or bad. Irish people are going to still be to watch him fight. So if he was actually getting ready to fight, and if everything was okay, the USADA is probably not going to be a problem. At least as long as Connor McGregor does actually stay off the steroids that he is taking. But I can certainly feel that Dana White does not have as much love as he had for Conor McGregor now.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 29, 2023, 04:36:15 PM

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I have no doubt that Chandler will be ready, the question is if McGregor will. As far as we know he hasn't re-entered the USADA pool yet, and the soonest he can fight is 6 months from re-entering (unless they make an exemption for him).

UFC made an exception for Brock Lesnar and Mark Hunt went against the UFC in court and hence it is highly unlikely they will make an exception again as it will hurt their reputation.

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2023, 08:53:47 AM

Imagine watching pre fight promotion in a fight like Bo Nickal vs someone like Shavkal Rakhmonov. One is to positive to trashtalk, the other barely speaks English. Most boring talks in pre fight, savage fight in cage. I just cant imagine a promotion interviews with someone like Makhachev vs Rakhmonov. It will be like “I will win you” “ok, try”. The end Grin

Shavkat Rakhmonov rise was gradual unlike Khamzat Chimaev simply because he was not good in talking but he is an exceptional fighter with finishes in all his 17 bouts is more than enough to create the hype when he returns, pre fight showdown will be boring but in the cage he will change all that Cheesy

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I didn't think Spivac would come this far in the rankings. A fighter who tries to finish the fight fast and can fully apply his strength to the other side is truly a finisher. One hit hitters came here by TKO without any effort. Now he will face heavyweight legend Gane for the title match. I think Gane will pull the match down and change the level, we'll see what kind of game plan he has, but if spivac can't finish it in the first seconds, he will get tired. Gane will have the upper hand in this match, but as I said he is a heavyweight, is totally lucky to get a punch for TKO.

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Quote from: bittraffic on August 31, 2023, 12:52:22 PM

She isn't the favorite by the way so there is something we may have missed here, either her year of inactivity or she had an injury that's why she rested that long.

She moved up a weight class, so will be fighting bigger opponent than ever before. There's also no reach advantage for Roe this time (I think), the fact she's fighting on the enemy's turf and that Fiorot has her momentum and is on the uptrend.
Over a year break is also a factor, but could be due to UFC being disappointed in absolute lack of action in her fight against Esparza, but could be due to mental attitude and just wanting to take a break.

Quote from: bittraffic on August 31, 2023, 12:52:22 PM

I'm not a fan of either but Namajunas is famous for winning fights even when she's the underdog. Take for example her fight with Weili who she defeated twice.

Yeah, many fighters perform better as an underdogs and Rose is one of them. She also defeated Jedrzejczyk twice in a title bout and made it look easy.
I won't be betting any money, but hope she wins.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 31, 2023, 12:01:10 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 31, 2023, 10:51:24 AM

Sheeesh, Conor McGregor again… Arent we are giving him to much attention? I will try to explain my thoughts. The guys claims to be a fighter, while doing zero to have a fight. If he really intended to return, he would be first in line to pass USADA test, first to select opponent. What we have a guy who is like girl on period, dont know when he would fight, says this year or next year, or not gonna fight at all. And I am afraid, that even if we see him in octagon, his opponent gonna finish hin in first round (in case his opponent is not a guy about to retire). We await a fight so much, that gonna last less than 5 min with a loss fighter we wait so much.

I couldn't agree more. All his talk is just a hot air, but just by looking at him I have an impression of looking at already retired fighter, it's just the vibe he's sending out. It's like all the competiveness and drive are gone. Even before the injury he wasn't looking great in the 2nd fight with Poirier, and the level in UFC only keeps getting up. And, as someone mentioned, no fighter has ever returned from a broken leg injury to a previous level.
There's a big chance his next fight will be his last and I think he realises that.

Current McGregor reminds me of a story about the girls who shoutes “wolves” many times, but when the real wolves came, no one believed her. This is about Conor. He shouts that he will fight, then when he really fights, no one would be interesting in him. If we put aside his fame, are many of you interested to see him fighting? When was the last time his left hand shock the world? When was the last time he showed something impressive? Like combo, take down or escaped from something nasty?

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 31, 2023, 12:01:10 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on August 31, 2023, 07:26:36 AM

Namajunas replay... Anybody think she'll win vs Fiorot? It's at 125.

Yup. If she's mentally in the right place on Saturday, she's my favourite.

She's a Thug. She had lived up to his nick many times. We'll find out if she can submit Fiorot. She isn't the favorite by the way so there is something we may have missed here, either her year of inactivity or she had an injury that's why she rested that long.

Meanwhile, Fiorot has an impressive record of 10-1. It tells a lot about her. I'm not a fan of either but Namajunas is famous for winning fights even when she's the underdog. Take for example her fight with Weili who she defeated twice.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 31, 2023, 10:51:24 AM

Sheeesh, Conor McGregor again… Arent we are giving him to much attention? I will try to explain my thoughts. The guys claims to be a fighter, while doing zero to have a fight. If he really intended to return, he would be first in line to pass USADA test, first to select opponent. What we have a guy who is like girl on period, dont know when he would fight, says this year or next year, or not gonna fight at all. And I am afraid, that even if we see him in octagon, his opponent gonna finish hin in first round (in case his opponent is not a guy about to retire). We await a fight so much, that gonna last less than 5 min with a loss fighter we wait so much.

I couldn't agree more. All his talk is just a hot air, but just by looking at him I have an impression of looking at already retired fighter, it's just the vibe he's sending out. It's like all the competiveness and drive are gone. Even before the injury he wasn't looking great in the 2nd fight with Poirier, and the level in UFC only keeps getting up. And, as someone mentioned, no fighter has ever returned from a broken leg injury to a previous level.
There's a big chance his next fight will be his last and I think he realises that.

Quote from: tokeweed on August 31, 2023, 07:26:36 AM

Namajunas replay... Anybody think she'll win vs Fiorot? It's at 125.

Yup. If she's mentally in the right place on Saturday, she's my favourite.

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Sheeesh, Conor McGregor again… Arent we are giving him to much attention? I will try to explain my thoughts. The guys claims to be a fighter, while doing zero to have a fight. If he really intended to return, he would be first in line to pass USADA test, first to select opponent. What we have a guy who is like girl on period, dont know when he would fight, says this year or next year, or not gonna fight at all. And I am afraid, that even if we see him in octagon, his opponent gonna finish hin in first round (in case his opponent is not a guy about to retire). We await a fight so much, that gonna last less than 5 min with a loss fighter we wait so much.

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 30, 2023, 06:05:05 PM

Even Dana White has said he has, “no clue” if Conor McGregor is going to be able to fight in December or not. He confirmed that the UFC has no plans for him to fight at this time and no knowledge if he’ll be able to fight or not. I guess the rumor is going around because of an AI generated advertisement and has no basis in reality.

^ Well, I definitely know that if Connor McGregor was actually going to fight in December, the UFC was definitely going to do a great deal of marketing about that. We all know how Dana White absolutely loves Conor McGregor. So if he was actually fighting, the UFC was definitely going to talk a lot about it. And at the same time, I think we should understand that these are just people who want to see Conor McGregor fight again. They are the ones making these types of videos or spreading these news. And sometimes it is also the newspapers who want to increase the traffic on their pages.

You think Dana will ignore USADA and go on to allow Connor to fight? Maybe it will depend on how much his opponent will ask for his cut. I think it was Chandler who said he wouldn't fight Connor because he is a junkie. I couldn't be sure. But that word came out to the public.

If the money is right and Dana getting more than what he pays for, he might just strike a deal for getting Connor into USADA in just a short period of time. Money can do a lot of things.

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 30, 2023, 06:05:05 PM

Even Dana White has said he has, “no clue” if Conor McGregor is going to be able to fight in December or not. He confirmed that the UFC has no plans for him to fight at this time and no knowledge if he’ll be able to fight or not. I guess the rumor is going around because of an AI generated advertisement and has no basis in reality.

^ Well, I definitely know that if Connor McGregor was actually going to fight in December, the UFC was definitely going to do a great deal of marketing about that. We all know how Dana White absolutely loves Conor McGregor. So if he was actually fighting, the UFC was definitely going to talk a lot about it. And at the same time, I think we should understand that these are just people who want to see Conor McGregor fight again. They are the ones making these types of videos or spreading these news. And sometimes it is also the newspapers who want to increase the traffic on their pages.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2023, 08:53:47 AM

Imagine watching pre fight promotion in a fight like Bo Nickal vs someone like Shavkal Rakhmonov. One is to positive to trashtalk, the other barely speaks English. Most boring talks in pre fight, savage fight in cage. I just cant imagine a promotion interviews with someone like Makhachev vs Rakhmonov. It will be like “I will win you” “ok, try”. The end Grin

If that's what it takes to get the UFC back to its roots then they should do it. I don't really care about what happens before the fight. What matters for me is the matches themselves should be bangers and I can drop a little bit of money in them. I mean I find the pre fight stuff entertaining but it isn't the end all be all when I get into each event. But that's just me.

Namajunas replay... Anybody think she'll win vs Fiorot? It's at 125.

UFC Free Fight: Namajunas vs Andrade 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8hKXxWk3Mo

And here's the post fight press conference for Dana White's Contender Series. Lots of info in there.

DWCS Season 7 - Week 4 Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWlKmbcXt8Q

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Even Dana White has said he has, “no clue” if Conor McGregor is going to be able to fight in December or not. He confirmed that the UFC has no plans for him to fight at this time and no knowledge if he’ll be able to fight or not. I guess the rumor is going around because of an AI generated advertisement and has no basis in reality.

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Quote from: notblox1 on August 30, 2023, 04:37:41 PM

Another fight I am really excited to watch is co-main event because of Rose Namajunas,

Yeah, this one could be interesting and Namajunas is potentially a good value bet (x2.40). In the past, her problem was that her performances were inconsistent, but she tended to do well against dangerous, high-ranked opponents and all her losses happened to not-very-highly-skilled rivals (Esparza, Kowalkiewicz).
Manon Fiorot is definitely dangerous, so Rose shouldn't have any problems with motivation. But moving up in a weight class is always an uncertainty.

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Guys dont forget to check exact starting time for this event, this is based in Paris, France in Europe, and that means much earlier start than usual.
Ciryl Gane has big advantage with his home crowd and this is perfect chance for him to return in winning ways after he lost from Jon Jones.
Gane has reach advantage, I think he is overall more complete fighter than Serghei Spivac, and I think odds on him are not bad at all.
Another fight I am really excited to watch is co-main event because of Rose Namajunas, but there are few other good fights to watch.

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That is interesting. Never heard of this guy. However, such pure kickboxers dont have huge future in mma, as their fighting style is to narrow, it has so much counters. I havent dont a research, but I believe guys with wrestling base were champions more times than pure strikers. It will be hard to make such statistics, as those wrestlers quickly adopt to striking and outstrike pure strikers. It is as if they got two maxed skills (like dual class in ad&d), while others have only one skill.

That Yousri has already a spoiler mma record. No lt in ufc but already 5-3 with kinda no-name strikers. And already lost in uncle Dana series.

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That being “a regular guy” from Bo Nickal might cause his path to a title foght be longer than usually. UFC dont like calm, shy, regular and not interesting fighters. I agree that before becoming a champ, Adesanya was completely different. When he bacame champ, he became more cautious, he risks less. I think with his trash talk he tries to compensate boring part of his fights.

Nono, it's different from calm and shy with no personality. With Bo Nickal, he's a breath of fresh air from the UFC... Calm, calculated but still exuding with charisma like Nickal. And away from the McGregor kind of personas, which was fun, but the McGregor persona many fighters are emulating is getting kinda old now. I mean look where McGregor is today. Lmao. He may be rich, but he sucks now. Khabib turned out to be the better guy with a better legacy.

Anyway, yeah... Bo Nickal is the kind of guy you want to watch interviews and press conferences because he's just being himself.

UFC Free Fight: Fiorot vs Ricci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xYlEAdHUs

I once read it somewhere that Khabib took Connor's soul and smash it into the pile of shit. Can't remember where but the man must have been the butthurt for a long time.

Nickal is a new face in the UFC but I think he hasn't fought someone by the likes of Khamzat yet he named Khamzat in an interview when Nickal won against Woodburn. But I suppose it's too cruel to kill his career this early, Dana has to make money yet.

Pereira's rival in kickboxing is coming in UFC as well. This is beside Adesanya, his name is Yousri Belgaroui. https://twitter.com/AlexPereiraUFC/status/1679319907484172291

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