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Quote from: tokeweed on July 27, 2023, 07:17:07 AM

Meh... I don't really care. But for me, other than seeing McGregor and Nate Diaz in a match of boxing, I don't really care what they do outside of sports. Like football and F1, it's all about making picks and making some bets for shits and giggles every weekend and getting drunk with a bunch of friends.

Picture or it is fake Cheesy

Ready to get wasted during UFC 291 ? I have a challenge for you and your friends - sip what ever you are drinking during whole event, but if the fight finishes early, empty your glass Cheesy

We did something like that during IIHF every time any of teams score. So not to make this post off-topic, I think the fights Poirier vs Gaethje, Blachowicz vs Pereira, Fergusson vs Green and Lewis vs de Lima not going to run full distance Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2023, 09:10:09 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 26, 2023, 07:09:00 AM

^ Cool. It's nice to see him build another brand. I think he should just stop fighting and totally retire from MMA. I don't think anyone is excited to see him in the cage. Maybe a boxing match vs Nate Diaz could be interesting but that's about it. Lol.

Naaah, Nate Diaz isnt the same "media size" as Conor is. He needs another fight against Mayweather Cheesy

Or a media guy that has a product, that his beer can make collaboration. But I doubt there is anything that goes along with beer Cheesy

Snacks? I doubt that Lays or Pringles gonna agree to make collaboration with Conor Cheesy

Btw, I dont want to see him in octagon again. He is not a fighter anymore. Poser and businessman Cheesy

Meh... I don't really care. But for me, other than seeing McGregor and Nate Diaz in a match of boxing, I don't really care what they do outside of sports. Like football and F1, it's all about making picks and making some bets for shits and giggles every weekend and getting drunk with a bunch of friends.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on July 25, 2023, 12:31:37 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

And here's the thing, they're gonna fight in high elevation in Salt Lake City. Gaethje trains in Colorado so he prolly has the cardio advantage in this one.

Altitude of 1,300m is probably not high enough to make a significant difference, but good point, it might be a slight advantage to Gaethje.

I looked it up and it says endurance performance starts going down by 2% - 4% at above 1000m. It's not much but for the guys who have bad cardio, it could be more.

https://www.mysportscience.com/post/2015/03/05/altitude-effects-on-endurance-performance

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https://medium.com/@archie.fenn/ufc-278-how-altitude-affects-fighter-performance-26d8c0483307

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2023, 10:17:37 AM

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Today I was pleasantly surprised to see Forged Army beer. How many of you heard of it? Their https://www.forgedirishstout.com/ webpage seems to be not very creative, social medias as well. Turns out this is Conor McGregors beer (https://shop.conormcgregor.com/pages/forged). This project is rather new on the market. What do you think about it? Will we see proper twelve 2.0 or restart in here ? Cheesy

Beer is more available than whiskey, so the sales seems to be higher. Another 600 millions for Conor ? Cheesy

I’ve never heard of it but I’m also not surprised that Conor is going for another massive payday in the beverage market. Congratulations to him. He seems to be doing everything he can to get rich while he still has the limelight. At some point though he’s going to have to win an actual fight. It’s been so long I can’t even name the year he last won a fight of any kind that wasn’t against an elderly man in a bar.

Forged Army beer appeared in social media about half a year ago. Conor was spotted with beer glasses in his pub long time ago, but I think few weeks ago he has starting direct promotion (sort of a mentioning product and etc). To refresh your memory - last time Conor won a fight was a fight against Cowboy Cerrone. Then it was a double loss to Poirier (tko and injury). We see more Conor as a media personality now, than a fighter (yet he still post mirror posing and some pictures of sparring).

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2023, 09:10:09 AM

Good that you have noticed that, but I dont think that this gonna play a significant role. I mean Poirier can easily move to Salt Lake for few weeks or month to pass acclimatization process. But for any other European fighter for example, if he is not able to allow a few weeks camp in the US, that would play a huge role. But anyway it will be more like a jet lag. Human body needs a week minimum to readjust. That is why UAE tournaments are difficult for some fighters. Jet lag + weather + stress. That is huge test for a fighter.

I believe that when a Filipino boxers go to some place because he is having a fight he needs 1 month to readjust his body and to condition it to the weather and climate or the time difference of that particular country more longer much better, and when he went to that particular country I think it was Japan for a fight it was just 1 to 2 weeks and his body didn't readjust to the time difference of that country and so he have fight without proper sleep that have cost him to lose that fight and because he doesn't have proper preparation with the fight it was schedule ahead of time but because of some issue's mostly money problem, he lost that fight,

Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2023, 10:17:37 AM

I’ve never heard of it but I’m also not surprised that Conor is going for another massive payday in the beverage market. Congratulations to him. He seems to be doing everything he can to get rich while he still has the limelight. At some point though he’s going to have to win an actual fight. It’s been so long I can’t even name the year he last won a fight of any kind that wasn’t against an elderly man in a bar.

I am sure that he doesn't need to fight anymore, but surely this success is because of his appearance we is pretty much well-known by so much people that even his negative stance is not being criticized because he has so much fan than haters, this is the truth about Conor McGregor whenever he is highlighted in a video, it will be surely a big hit, so for me he doesn't need to return to the Octagon anymore, he could also likely become a artist or a celebrity for sure he would likely accumulate a lot from that industry,

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Quote from: pawel7777 on July 26, 2023, 04:11:31 PM

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About Alex Pereira. I just read it one some comments. Is it really abuse to allow a fighter who had been knocked out terribly to fight again after just 3 months?

Good question. His fight with Adesanya was on 8th April, so it's closer to 4 months, but still. I vaguely recall some fighter or expert saying the recovery takes long months. Of course it depends on how bad the knockout was and on the fighter's age among other factors.
UFC often brag about providing high-level medical care for all the fighters, so it's possible that he went through some brain scans and they concluded that the damage was minimal.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pereira (or his agent) was the one pushing to make another fight quickly. He's not getting any younger and fans are quick to forget inactive fighters. Money-wise it makes more sense to do it now than to wait for another few months.

Alex Pereira is already 36 years old. He is certainly not getting any younger as you said. Probably a few years later, he will not be able to fight as well as he is doing now. So I think that is another reason why he has actually pushed so hard to take this fight. He was knocked out really badly against Israel Adesanya. I don’t think even if he is clear in terms of all medical exams, he should be fighting so early after he got knocked out.

I actually agree with you that he probably wants to stay relevant. That is a big reason why he took this fight so early. Of course he must be feeling confident about his ability going into this fight. But I also think that he wants to make as much money as quickly as possible.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 26, 2023, 11:08:52 AM

About Alex Pereira. I just read it one some comments. Is it really abuse to allow a fighter who had been knocked out terribly to fight again after just 3 months?

Good question. His fight with Adesanya was on 8th April, so it's closer to 4 months, but still. I vaguely recall some fighter or expert saying the recovery takes long months. Of course it depends on how bad the knockout was and on the fighter's age among other factors.
UFC often brag about providing high-level medical care for all the fighters, so it's possible that he went through some brain scans and they concluded that the damage was minimal.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pereira (or his agent) was the one pushing to make another fight quickly. He's not getting any younger and fans are quick to forget inactive fighters. Money-wise it makes more sense to do it now than to wait for another few months.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2023, 11:59:41 AM

Anybody else watch Nate Diaz on Bradley Martin’s podcast? Brad seemed to think he could take Nate Diaz in a street fight and had some things to say about wanting to see Jake get knocked out. That caused Logan Paul to invite Bradley Martin to spar with him in Puerto Rico. This is a fight I’d actually like to see. I think personally that Bradley Martin is a chemically altered beast and would kill Logan, but we’ll see…maybe.

Well, if we are talking about Bradley Martin, taking steroids, I don’t think we will have any problems in that regard because I am also sure that Logan Paul is also on a shitload of steroids. And I don’t think this is going to be a good fight for Logan Paul. There is a high chance that Bradley Martin is actually going to end up beating Logan Paul. And that might actually create problems for Logan. Especially when he is doing pretty well selling some sugar water (prime) to kids, and also scamming is on fans for money (cryptozoo).

I don’t know if Logan Paul and Bradley Martin are actually friends or not. But either way, I don’t think Logan Paul is actually going to take that fight. Because he’s just too busy scamming people.

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Anybody else watch Nate Diaz on Bradley Martin’s podcast? Brad seemed to think he could take Nate Diaz in a street fight and had some things to say about wanting to see Jake get knocked out. That caused Logan Paul to invite Bradley Martin to spar with him in Puerto Rico. This is a fight I’d actually like to see. I think personally that Bradley Martin is a chemically altered beast and would kill Logan, but we’ll see…maybe.

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Quote from: yazher on July 26, 2023, 09:45:42 AM

Quote from: Welsh on July 25, 2023, 07:37:27 AM

I'll be going with Poirier for the next headliner. Justin is an incredible fighter, but I find he winds up too much a lot of the time on his shots, and that'll likely play into the hands of Poirier who's a lot more calculated. Obviously, Justin has the durability, and the power to beat anyone so it'll always be a good fight when he's involved. I expect a good fight, and I don't think either fighter will lose by a landslide. Obviously, a knockout is always on the cards, but I think we'll get a well matched fight before that happens, I can't see anyone getting flashed KOed in this fight. Hopefully not, I want to see a war between the two. I like both fighters, so it's going to be hard seeing one of them lose, anyway.

This is not a common fight we see where the others are more way far from their opponent because they are both strong and cannot be beaten easily by just one punch. Surely the fight would be like Islam and Volkanovski, they both fought to the last to assure the win and in the end, it was a close match. This one will most likely be that kind of fight and that will never disappoint us because right now we are not getting as many good fights from UFC as before. Maybe a new rivalry will be born if the fight will not gonna end up in submission or TKO.

Dustin doesn't hurry to make things happen he waits and just throws jabs until he hurts his opponent and then that's the time he unloads the biggest shots for the KO. If Gaethje hurries to hurt him, then Gaethje is risking again. The first fight was one of the fights that is very enjoyable like it's the exchange of both boxers. It's surprising that it took 5 years to arrange a rematch.

About Alex Pereira. I just read it one some comments. Is it really abuse to allow a fighter who had been knocked out terribly to fight again after just 3 months?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2023, 09:10:09 AM

Naaah, Nate Diaz isnt the same "media size" as Conor is. He needs another fight against Mayweather Cheesy

Or a media guy that has a product, that his beer can make collaboration. But I doubt there is anything that goes along with beer Cheesy

Snacks? I doubt that Lays or Pringles gonna agree to make collaboration with Conor Cheesy

Btw, I dont want to see him in octagon again. He is not a fighter anymore. Poser and businessman Cheesy

I'd love to see McGregor Vs Mayweather 2, said nobody ever. You can't pull the same trick twice.
But like him or not, he still has a big name, look at this very thread, we keep talking about him despite him not fighting anytime soon. But I think after his next loss the hype will die out massively. And I don't see him winning against Chandler, or anyone from the top 10 to be honest.
Technically he's not that old yet and could potentially have ~3 years of a peak form, but he let himself go and is starting to look like a washed-up celebrity. Maybe moving up to welterweight would be a good move.
I wish him all the best though.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2023, 03:53:23 AM

Today I was pleasantly surprised to see Forged Army beer. How many of you heard of it? Their https://www.forgedirishstout.com/ webpage seems to be not very creative, social medias as well. Turns out this is Conor McGregors beer (https://shop.conormcgregor.com/pages/forged). This project is rather new on the market. What do you think about it? Will we see proper twelve 2.0 or restart in here ? Cheesy

Beer is more available than whiskey, so the sales seems to be higher. Another 600 millions for Conor ? Cheesy

I’ve never heard of it but I’m also not surprised that Conor is going for another massive payday in the beverage market. Congratulations to him. He seems to be doing everything he can to get rich while he still has the limelight. At some point though he’s going to have to win an actual fight. It’s been so long I can’t even name the year he last won a fight of any kind that wasn’t against an elderly man in a bar.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 25, 2023, 07:37:27 AM

I'll be going with Poirier for the next headliner. Justin is an incredible fighter, but I find he winds up too much a lot of the time on his shots, and that'll likely play into the hands of Poirier who's a lot more calculated. Obviously, Justin has the durability, and the power to beat anyone so it'll always be a good fight when he's involved. I expect a good fight, and I don't think either fighter will lose by a landslide. Obviously, a knockout is always on the cards, but I think we'll get a well matched fight before that happens, I can't see anyone getting flashed KOed in this fight. Hopefully not, I want to see a war between the two. I like both fighters, so it's going to be hard seeing one of them lose, anyway.

This is not a common fight we see where the others are more way far from their opponent because they are both strong and cannot be beaten easily by just one punch. Surely the fight would be like Islam and Volkanovski, they both fought to the last to assure the win and in the end, it was a close match. This one will most likely be that kind of fight and that will never disappoint us because right now we are not getting as many good fights from UFC as before. Maybe a new rivalry will be born if the fight will not gonna end up in submission or TKO.

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 26, 2023, 07:09:00 AM

^ Cool. It's nice to see him build another brand. I think he should just stop fighting and totally retire from MMA. I don't think anyone is excited to see him in the cage. Maybe a boxing match vs Nate Diaz could be interesting but that's about it. Lol.

Naaah, Nate Diaz isnt the same "media size" as Conor is. He needs another fight against Mayweather Cheesy

Or a media guy that has a product, that his beer can make collaboration. But I doubt there is anything that goes along with beer Cheesy

Snacks? I doubt that Lays or Pringles gonna agree to make collaboration with Conor Cheesy

Btw, I dont want to see him in octagon again. He is not a fighter anymore. Poser and businessman Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

And here's the thing, they're gonna fight in high elevation in Salt Lake City. Gaethje trains in Colorado so he prolly has the cardio advantage in this one.

Altitude of 1,300m is probably not high enough to make a significant difference, but good point, it might be a slight advantage to Gaethje.

Good that you have noticed that, but I dont think that this gonna play a significant role. I mean Poirier can easily move to Salt Lake for few weeks or month to pass acclimatization process. But for any other European fighter for example, if he is not able to allow a few weeks camp in the US, that would play a huge role. But anyway it will be more like a jet lag. Human body needs a week minimum to readjust. That is why UAE tournaments are difficult for some fighters. Jet lag + weather + stress. That is huge test for a fighter.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on July 25, 2023, 12:31:37 PM

Altitude of 1,300m is probably not high enough to make a significant difference, but good point, it might be a slight advantage to Gaethje.

If 1300m is correct, then it isn't going to make any sort of measurable difference. It's extremely unlikely you experince altitude sickness at that height, and isn't all that much of a difference from where most people live. I know there's been fighters who have claimed certain venues made it difficult for them, but they're usually closer to 2000-2500m. However, again within that range you don't typically see many people effected by it; so it could just be them making bad connections, and actually not the real reason they struggled.

Anything greater than 2500m is where those concerns become real, but I don't think there's many venues if any at all that reach that level, at least not in the UFC. I might be wrong, considering they're professional athletes, and even a very slight edge could possibly make a difference, but for most people you aren't going to be that effected at those elevations.

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Quote from: owengtam09 on July 25, 2023, 04:15:55 AM

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Seems a pretty easy pick to make, for someone like me just checking the odds. It's a question in this week's BSFL -- not sure you guys following it, but tokes , man, been a long while since we shared a discussion in this forum so I gotta ask: Poirier seems the type keen to finish fights: 2 KO/TKOs and a submission in his last 3 bouts. More of the same?

Dustin Poirier VS Justin Gaethje could be one hell of a fight and yes Poirier could make a decent bet for this fight but we can not take out that Justin Gaethje's will to surely get back up is something that we should not take out from him, but yeah Dustin Poirier is the favorite here so maybe people are seeing great advantage for Duistin Poirrier for betting for him,

Yeah in the end I felt another KO would be a bit too much to ask for, also discovered what you said about Gaethje, willing to not submit. So that helped sway me toward an "all the way" decision.

In any case, rather too late for me personally as I've already locked in my picks: Poirier on decision, even if that goes against history, I have to believe that age and luck have to ruin that streak somehow.

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^ Cool. It's nice to see him build another brand. I think he should just stop fighting and totally retire from MMA. I don't think anyone is excited to see him in the cage. Maybe a boxing match vs Nate Diaz could be interesting but that's about it. Lol.

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

^ MMA math doesn't really work. We can't say for sure that just because fighter A won in this fashion against fighter B and fighter C didn't really impress against fighter D so therefore fighter A will def win if he fought fighter C

I know, but I wasn't talking only about outcomes of those fights, but more of how well each fighter was prepared, his mentality etc. And in my opinion Poirier looked really sharp in his last fight, while Gaethje seemed to lost his flare a little bit. Maybe I got this impression from his post fight conference when he said something about "countless reasons to not go longer than you should in this sport" which hinted that he might be slowly thinking about retirement. And frankly, with his fighting style and the amount of hard punches that he absorbed, he probably should be picking his next fights carefully and focus his health.

Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

And here's the thing, they're gonna fight in high elevation in Salt Lake City. Gaethje trains in Colorado so he prolly has the cardio advantage in this one.

Altitude of 1,300m is probably not high enough to make a significant difference, but good point, it might be a slight advantage to Gaethje.

I'm on the opposite side. Poirier has already made enough money to retire after those couple of matches vs McGregor. Gaethje on the other hand is still hungry. Between the both of them, I think Gaethje needs this win more than Poirier does. Dunno... But that's just me.

But skill vs skill, Poirier has the slight edge for sure.

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UFC 291: Embedded 1
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Today I was pleasantly surprised to see Forged Army beer. How many of you heard of it? Their https://www.forgedirishstout.com/ webpage seems to be not very creative, social medias as well. Turns out this is Conor McGregors beer (https://shop.conormcgregor.com/pages/forged). This project is rather new on the market. What do you think about it? Will we see proper twelve 2.0 or restart in here ? Cheesy

Beer is more available than whiskey, so the sales seems to be higher. Another 600 millions for Conor ? Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

^ MMA math doesn't really work. We can't say for sure that just because fighter A won in this fashion against fighter B and fighter C didn't really impress against fighter D so therefore fighter A will def win if he fought fighter C

I know, but I wasn't talking only about outcomes of those fights, but more of how well each fighter was prepared, his mentality etc. And in my opinion Poirier looked really sharp in his last fight, while Gaethje seemed to lost his flare a little bit. Maybe I got this impression from his post fight conference when he said something about "countless reasons to not go longer than you should in this sport" which hinted that he might be slowly thinking about retirement. And frankly, with his fighting style and the amount of hard punches that he absorbed, he probably should be picking his next fights carefully and focus his health.

Quote from: tokeweed on July 25, 2023, 07:01:35 AM

And here's the thing, they're gonna fight in high elevation in Salt Lake City. Gaethje trains in Colorado so he prolly has the cardio advantage in this one.

Altitude of 1,300m is probably not high enough to make a significant difference, but good point, it might be a slight advantage to Gaethje.

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I'll be going with Poirier for the next headliner. Justin is an incredible fighter, but I find he winds up too much a lot of the time on his shots, and that'll likely play into the hands of Poirier who's a lot more calculated. Obviously, Justin has the durability, and the power to beat anyone so it'll always be a good fight when he's involved. I expect a good fight, and I don't think either fighter will lose by a landslide. Obviously, a knockout is always on the cards, but I think we'll get a well matched fight before that happens, I can't see anyone getting flashed KOed in this fight. Hopefully not, I want to see a war between the two. I like both fighters, so it's going to be hard seeing one of them lose, anyway.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on July 24, 2023, 10:31:49 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 24, 2023, 07:19:17 AM

Who do you guys got? Poirier or Gaethje?

Poirier. 100%. He did not disappoint in the fight against Chandler, while Gaethje had a hard time against Fiziev and I think his will is not as strong as it was.

^ MMA math doesn't really work. We can't say for sure that just because fighter A won in this fashion against fighter B and fighter C didn't really impress against fighter D so therefore fighter A will def win if he fought fighter C... And here's the thing, they're gonna fight in high elevation in Salt Lake City. Gaethje trains in Colorado so he prolly has the cardio advantage in this one.

Here are a couple of free replays. Both against Chandler. Lol. Poor guy.

UFC Free Fight: Poirier vs Chandler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FFvVpZMsYs

UFC Free Fight: Gaethje vs Chandler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8ieJ2M_NA

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