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I'm interested in this main event. Jon Jones looks good, really good and Gane should be improved a lot from last fight. Gane is stronger and lets see if his wrestling is improved enough so he can stop takedown attempts from Jones. On stand up its 50/50 and 1 good strike can decide the fight.

True that...  Garry is a concern but if you think about why the UFC matched him up with Kenan Song, I'm thinking someone behind the scenes is setting it up for an easy W for Garry as Kenan Song isn't really that good.  He has some KO powerrr, but not he's not good.  I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.  I got him at tier two of my lottery ticket.  Been having a knack in putting the pie shtters up there.  Lol.  In hindsight Saaiman is also a concern.  I should've placed Rakhmonov instead.  Had second thoughts as Neal is a beast.

Here are the weigh in results.  A couple of guys came in heavy.

Jon Jones (248) vs Ciryl Gane (247.5)
Champ Valentina Shevchenko (124.5) vs Alexa Grasso (124.5)
Geoff Neal (175)* vs Shavkat Rakhmonov (171)
Mateusz Gamrot (156) vs Jalin Turner (155.5)
Bo Nickal (185.5) vs Jamie Pickett (186)
Cody Garbrandt (136) vs Trevin Jones (135)
Derek Brunson (185.5) vs Dricus Du Plessis(185)
Viviane Araujo (126) vs Amanda Ribas (126)
Marc-Andre Barriault (185) vs Julian Marquez (186)
Ian Garry (171) vs Song Kenan (171)
Mana Martinez (137)* vs Cameron Saaiman (135)
Jessica Penne (116) vs Tabatha Ricci (115.5)
Farid Basharat (136) vs Da’Mon Blackshear (136)
Loik Radzhabov (155.5) vs Esteban Ribovics (156)

* Missed weight

I watched the Pre-Fight Press Conference and the crowd is full of energy like it was really something both fighters should focus on so much, well you are right that inactivity will surely have a main role in why I really am not going with Jon Jones, and on the Press Conference Jones is kind of humble it is like he is not so sure if he's going to win this, and seeing Ciryl Gane learning and talking English now I was impressed, It looks like I smell a new version of Ciryl Gane, and we will be surprise on what he can do in this fight Jon Jones is surely saying that Gane is not on wrestling but just like Israel Adesanya I think Gane will surely surprise us on that kind of style,


Really tasty right, If Alexa Grasso wins this, which I think this fighting kitten will surely surprise us, and in the press conference Valentina Shevchenko feels like she is underestimating Alexa Grasso like she is treating her like the same fighters that she faces that she dominated for me I will be for Alexa Grasso's side even if she lost this one, but I am feeling this is going to be war, I can really feel it,

Yeah, the cutting probably shouldn't be allowed, not to the extreme's that some of them do it. I can't believe the amount of weight Khabib cut for example. Anyone who's done a cut or even witnessed a cut it isn't healthy. I imagine as time goes on they'll tighten their restrictions on it a little more.

They might have more catch weights as a result, especially when the UFC gets more popular. It doesn't seem to be slowing down, and I think it'll take over boxing some day. It's already showing massive amounts of growth compared to boxing. Doesn't help that boxing rarely gets the fights the fans wants, whereas in the UFC there's a big fight every couple of weeks.

When I cut the weight to look ripped, I lose a lot of strength, my mood is terrible, I get tired easily. I've done a lot of bulking and cuttings and seems every year I'm getting used to that and I manage to keep my strength as possible and do job without feeling tired. I was just thinking about this version of Conor McGregor. I mean, how are they able to cut so much weight and still perform, it's just insane.

I think that Gane, Ngannou, they are on steroids, on short-acting esters or even on suspensions. PEDs are very popular in this sport. I don't know if you go to the GYM but when I hear the conversations in dressing room, a lot of people speak about how they are on PEDs and what PEDs they take and imagine, these guys either look skinny or fat. Definitely PEDs aren't magical but muscle and strength grows so slow that I genuinely believe these two guys are either on PEDs or have been abusing them at past. Even if person uses PEDs for once, he still has advantage over his competitor, there is a scientific research about that.

We will have a very interesting match in two days! Can't wait!

Yeah, definitely we don't want eat. If people choke each-other and kill in the octagon, this can be a problem for UFC too, it's a thing that no one wants, doesn't matter if it sells match well or generates more profit, no one wants it, at least I hope so.
I like it when they stop match after KO and don't count till ten like in Boxing. It means less brain injuries.

A heavyweight Jon Jones is a scary kind of opponent that with one elbow could be lethal. He is the best and meanest fighter you can see it in their faceoff. The parties and hookers and years of inactivity may probably change Jon's jujitsu and wrestling though. He'd big already unlike in his previous fights and his skinny legs might easily be broken by a heavy leg kick of Gane. Jone's leg is more likely the primary target attack by Gane to immobilize Jones.

A party for Jones' comeback or a lesson learned at 35 that he can't be at prime all the time like Floyd.

Mike Tyson was a straight-up savage after getting out of prison. It's like he did not have anything to do in prison so he just worked out and lifted weights. He looked really jacked when he came out of the prison. And I remember his opponent actually was playing a little dirty. His opponent was headbutting him. And after that probably it was 10 seconds, Mike Tyson knocked his opponent.

Generally, yeah the more weight you're carrying the stronger you'll be. Even passively, carrying that weight means you've got some strong legs on you. However, strongmen are often overweight or not exactly muscular bar a few exceptions. So, Jon Jones having a dad bod doesn't exactly mean he's lost any strength at all. It might mean he's a little less fit, but I think that's also to be expected at heavyweight. Gane, isn't exactly the fitness fighter, hence the struggling against Ngannou.

Let's just be clear we don't want anyone to die in the octagon, and tapping isn't exactly embarrassing despite the flack Conor gets for tapping against Khabib. It's literally one of the first lessons you'll be taught when learning martial arts.

People are afraid because they want to see brutal fight with muscular guys. Has dad body ever been associated with strong men? No. Also, it's aesthetically pleasant to watch fighters with more muscle and less fat. It's show after all that gets sold and earns money.

Khabib and Jon Jones will never be able to compete against each-other because of their dramatic difference into weight. If Jon Jones tries to come near to Khabib's weight, he will be so weak with low energy levels that he won't be able to beat anyone and if Khabib reaches his weight, he will look like fat Discord moderator.
Anyway, there is no gold cross weight that will be okay for them.
Definitely, Jon Jones has advantage over Khabib, he is very tall for Khabib.

I mean their lifestyle, money. Definitely they live better than 98% of population. Why should you die in cage? They escape and continue life, if you break your hand or leg, you won't be able to perform for a long time or probably permanently. And no one will give you medal of honor for not tapping and dying in octagon.
Conor's career is already ended, he achieved his aim, earned tons of money, has fame, status, everything that he probably wanted. He snorts coke and spends time with chicks, why to train and get punches in your head anymore?
Poirier is cool, yeah, I can say that. It makes me sad that he is really weak against wrestlers, spends too much time into boxing.

Right, I'm going to put my predictions up now, since I'll only forget tomorrow. I always do. Anyway, some tough fights, some huge favourites, and some huge pie shitters in this event. My biggest concern is Ian Garry against Song, I don't really understand the odds there. Garry is a fantastic striker, but he leaves himself open on a lot of his shots, and Song has power.

Anyway here's my predictions:

Jon Jones
Valentina Shevchenko
Shavkat Rakhmonov
Mateusz Gamrot
Bo Nickal
Trevin Jones
Dricus Du Plessis
Amanda Ribas
Julian Marquez
Kenan Song
Cameron Saaiman
Tabatha Ricci
Farid Basharat
Loik Radzhabov

I haven't made my bets yet, and they'll probably be slightly different to my predictions here. I'll probably post my bets when I've made them, that's if I remember obviously. I've worried for Dricus Du Plessis, I love the way he fights, but I think this could potentially be a difficult fight for him. Gamrot I'm quite confident on, along with Rakhmonov.

What do you mean by they are doing well? If we speak about their fighting career after facing Khabib - Conors career is about to end (or have already ended), Poirier - cant say he is cool. He is weak against those who can wrestle. He even thought of ending career because of that. If we speak about their money - cant comment on that much. They lose and still earn a lot If we talk about balls - why they tapped immediately, but Ferguson had almost his hand broken by Olivera and did not tap. He has triple size balls that those two who immediately surrender.


I bet Tyson has trained in prison all the time, while Jones trained with parties, hookers, alcohol and drugs. Peter McNeeley - good example. Lets compare him with Gane. Was McNeeley a champion when he fought Tyson? Was he even a number one contender for a title fight? Was he even a top3 that day? Tyson was 25 y.o. that day, Jones is 35 At 25, I could go to gym, pump for hours, later go on disco, get wasted, next morning go to gym fresh and rested At 35, I prefer home parties instead of discos

I just came to this thread to read your comments about Alexa Grasso, and I like what I read. You are right guys, it is worth placing a bet on Grasso, is a big multiplier, and the chance to see her winning I would say it's big.

If she wins that will be crazy because we would have 2 Mexican champs in less than 1 month, so, gg.

I know Shevchenko is a tough fighter but I remember Ronda was a tough fighter too and what I have learned about UFC is that a fighter can't always win.

I think you have given grasso opponents to many credit her opponents have not been highly ranked and are not on the level of Valentina Shevchenko and Santos is ranked 2nd in the division and Valentina Shevchenko might have struggled but Santos is 2nd in the division she should have difficult. I cannot see Grasso who is a wrestler beat Valentina Shevchenko who has the best take down defense and can wrestle too. She has the best striking and Grasso has struggled in previous fights with strikers.

A lot of people seem to be very worried about fighters having dad bods. But I do not mind those types of bodies when it is the heavyweight level of competition. Because it is obvious that fighters at that level are going to have some difficulty maintaining the weight.

I also think this means he is not going to jump around the octagon too much. He's going to look for takedowns and will try to wrestle his opponent. And yes he can out-wrestle almost anybody. And the only reason I say "almost!" is because I have not seen him wrestle against Khabib Nurmagomedov.

Regards

Duke

It's also heavyweight, so you don't really expect the fighters to be in the best of conditions, i.e ripped to the walls. I mean, Ngannou was one of the exceptions there, mainly because of his huge frame though. Gane's in pretty good shape for a heavyweight, but Jon Jones didn't look awful by heavyweight standards. Very similar to Gane in my opinion.

I'm not too worried about that, I do find the odds a little surprising considering Jon Jones is coming back from a lengthy time off, and he's moving up a division. Usually, anyone that's moving up aren't considered the favourite. So, I guess that gives anyone that hasn't seen Jon Jones fight, an idea of how good he actually was. He out wrestled DC which was absolutely nuts at the time.

Conor McGregor, Dustin Poirier and others have tapped immediately when fighting Khabib but all of them are doing well and no one says that either Conor or Dustin are weak and don't have balls. Definitely for a while everyone will say that but who cares Both of them have millions, who really cares? A person who has to wake up at 6 am every morning to do job that he doesn't love?

By the way, did you know that Dana White intended to become a professional boxer but changed his mind after seeing a boxer with Chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

What about Mike Tyson's fight with Peter McNeeley after he was released from prison?

UFC fighters don't have that much muscle to my mind to get tired because of that. For them it's beneficial to have more strength and less mass because of weight competition. Also, strength is more of a neurological function than a muscle function but definitely more muscle size means more strength and more muscle-mind connection too in general.

Bro, I'll take this risk too. The offer of Stake.com is just too sweet to pass.
$5 bet minimum. Doubled. Then the winnings from the x6.40. This is absolutely inviting for UFC gamblers out there who thinks Grasso can win this fight.
https://stake.com/promotions/promotion/alexa-grasso-championship-double-winnings
I love the analysis and let's wish that is what will happen when the match comes. I don't know why she is that far as an underdog but she had been winning her fights recently. The last time against Viviane Araujo was a great performance (but if I remember correctly, I bet against Grasso here) so I am expecting a better one against the Champion.

That's exactly what I thought when seeing him at the stare downs post pre-press conference a couple of hours ago.
Will he be able to cut down to make weight?

Ciryl looked like Ciryl as he wears his weight well but Jones just looked different not the lean mean bones we are all use to seeing.
I know he is older now so overcourse would have packed on the weight not being in the octagon for so long, but damn, when he raised his arms after the staredown with Gane. You saw his belly sticking out from under his shirt.
Alot of dehydration in the next 13 hours for him I would think. Cause if he misses weight that would be an utter disaster for this main event.

Have you seen Jones and Gane stare down? Jones looked big, even though some say that Gane is 10kg heavier. It looks like this fight is going to end quick. Either Gane will tap, or Jones will ne ground and pounded. Even though Gane is an underdog, and Jones wrestling is a key to win, I think that 3 years of inactivity would play a major role. If this wasnt a title fight, that I would go with Jones. As it is a title - I am with Gane. I just dont remember anyone who has returned after a huge pause and was as cool as he used to be.

Here are my picks and predictions for the upcoming UFC 285

Jon Jones VS Ciryl Gane

The stake odds for this fight are 1.61 for Jones and 2.46 for Gane, I have seen Jon Jones's physique surely he was fit to be the Heavyweight but I want to really know the official weight before giving my prediction I think it will surely do, for me, Jon Jones had a long rest from entering the Octagon and because of his new figure I think he will become slower or can even gas out easily while Ciryl Gane is used in this division so he will never need any adjusting to do, while Jon Jones in the other hand even if he had the wrestling prowess, for me Ciryl Gane is a genius in his forte, every fight he had he will take the experience and absorb it in every fight he takes, for me, I think Ciryl Gane has an ace up his sleeves he is not underestimating Jon Jones one bit for everyone that saying he is scared of Jon Jones I say he just got respect from Jone Jones that is why he is preparing to much for this, my pick is Ciryl Gane,

Valentina Shevchenko VS Alexa Grasso

The stake odds for this fight are 1.14 for Shevchenko and 6.40 for Grasso, For this fight surely Shevchenko has the capability in getting it done both with her wrestling and on the stand-up is why there is no 1 wants to fight her, but that fight with Taila Santos has proven that she got a weak spot and Taila Santos has exposed it, for me Grasso and camp have seen that fight and will surely find ways in dealing with Shevchenko, well surely a lot have pertaining that Grasso will lose in this fight but that was a tasty odds if Alexa Grasso won, and I am betting on stake so this will be tasty when Grasso win this, that is why I want to risk this up and go for Alexa Grasso,

Geoff Neal VS Shavkat Rakhmonov

The stake odds for this fight are 5.20 for Neal and 1.20 for Rakhmonov, Right this fight I really don't see Rakhmonov losing this or having difficulty against his opponent, this is Khamzat Chimaev 1.5 for sure, If I can see a slight chance for Grasso to win Geoff Neal doesn't really stand a chance against Shavkat Rakhmonov for sure there is no need for further explanation for this is going to be a win for Rakhmanov betting on round 1 Submission win for Shavkat Rakhmonov,