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Quote from: bittraffic on April 02, 2023, 02:43:42 PM

Pereira is not a very likable character since he doesn't smile a lot but I can say he put all his strength to be great in this sport. He is from a very poor beginning though, same as those who started from scratch. I would be happy for him to become successful too.

This year is a year where we see champions meet thier boggerbear after reigning for years like Usman and Adesanya. Usman losing in 2 fights against someone expected is just a headshaking moment. I might not make the same mistake now in 287.

Well, Alex Pereira can not please everyone, and even targeting to please anybody at all, but surely even though he is not smiling more often he doesn't really need it, because this is UFC, what is important here is if you can beat the other guy which Alex Pereira is really capable of knocking the other guy out for sure, well he doesn't need to be likable because people does like him the way he was now, even though I am not a fan of Alex Pereira because I am for Israel Adesanya, Pereira surely got the attribute in being a champion,

Quote from: tokeweed on April 03, 2023, 07:31:27 AM

^ Before seeing how easy Jones finished Gane, I was strongly thinking Ngannou could winamd even knock Jones out. But know, dunno... It could be a harder match for Ngannou than I thought. I wish the UFC could offer Ngannou 10m USD per match for three matches to tempt him back. I think that's more than most fighters got offered in MMA.

I really wish Dana White could be in favor of Francis Ngannou and subdue to what he likes to give him his freedom in what he wants I think that is not hard enough he has given a boxing match to McGregor I think Dana White can make an exception and I think there could be more privilege for being the champion and not just being in the octagon is not that hard in my opinion, if only Francis Ngannou and Dana White could agree to the terms, if the people would want that why not give it,

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 03, 2023, 07:31:27 AM

^ Before seeing how easy Jones finished Gane, I was strongly thinking Ngannou could winamd even knock Jones out. But know, dunno... It could be a harder match for Ngannou than I thought. I wish the UFC could offer Ngannou 10m USD per match for three matches to tempt him back. I think that's more than most fighters got offered in MMA.

Even though Dana White said that he would never accept Ngannou back, yesterday news give a tiny chance for Ngannou to return.

UFC is now merged with WWE. Wrestling organization has a lot of money and they really can offer Ngannou as much money as he want. So one day we might have Ngannou having a wrestling match Cheesy

For those who have missed the news: World Wrestling Entertainment is merging with Endeavor Group, the parent company of competitor UFC, to form a new publicly traded company. So far I dont know what will UFC get from that merge. More tv broadcast time? New fans? Lesnar 2.0 ? Cheesy

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^ Before seeing how easy Jones finished Gane, I was strongly thinking Ngannou could winamd even knock Jones out. But know, dunno... It could be a harder match for Ngannou than I thought. I wish the UFC could offer Ngannou 10m USD per match for three matches to tempt him back. I think that's more than most fighters got offered in MMA.

Anyway here are vids to watch before the event this weekend.

UFC 287: Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0t7p9l3ACk

UFC Free Fight: Pereira vs Adesanya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8w32EfDss

UFC Free Fight: Burns vs Magny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJNbxFD2rY

UFC Free Fight: Masvidal vs Diaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i26IBxyGTBI

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 02, 2023, 02:43:42 PM

This year is a year where we see champions meet thier boggerbear after reigning for years like Usman and Adesanya. Usman losing in 2 fights against someone expected is just a headshaking moment. I might not make the same mistake now in 287.

In 2022 UFC had 3 kings, 3 African champions. Now everyone of them has lost their belts. Two out of three lost by KOes. Anyone think that Jon Jones could submit Ngannou if they would have fought? (doubt that he could KO Ngannou). What I mean that those champs have lost their belt not by decision.

Btw, in 2022 only bantamweight and featheweight fighters managed to defend their belts. Figuieiredo, Oliveira, Usman, Adesanya, Prochazka (Texeira), Ngannou have lost their titles.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 01, 2023, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on March 31, 2023, 07:38:52 AM

And another thing.. Why was Adesanya always backing up and getting his back near the cage? It could he a mistake because he'd be having not much space to pull away once Pereira starts moving forward. It was like he was trapping himself.

Nobody chooses or plans to get his back near the cage, but Pereira pushed him real hard and he knows all his weaknesses very well.
I am sure Adesanya will try to change his tactics this time and make some corrections, but I don't know if that will be enough to win.
He has one more week to prepare mentally and physically, but this is most important fight in his life.
Win and he is back on top as champion, lose and he is not getting more title shots for some time.

Pereira is not a very likable character since he doesn't smile a lot but I can say he put all his strength to be great in this sport. He is from a very poor beginning though, same as those who started from scratch. I would be happy for him to become successful too.

This year is a year where we see champions meet thier boggerbear after reigning for years like Usman and Adesanya. Usman losing in 2 fights against someone expected is just a headshaking moment. I might not make the same mistake now in 287.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 31, 2023, 07:38:52 AM

And another thing.. Why was Adesanya always backing up and getting his back near the cage? It could he a mistake because he'd be having not much space to pull away once Pereira starts moving forward. It was like he was trapping himself.

Nobody chooses or plans to get his back near the cage, but Pereira pushed him real hard and he knows all his weaknesses very well.
I am sure Adesanya will try to change his tactics this time and make some corrections, but I don't know if that will be enough to win.
He has one more week to prepare mentally and physically, but this is most important fight in his life.
Win and he is back on top as champion, lose and he is not getting more title shots for some time.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 31, 2023, 07:38:52 AM

^ And another thing.. Why was Adesanya always backing up and getting his back near the cage? It could he a mistake because he'd be having not much space to pull away once Pereira starts moving forward. It was like he was trapping himself.

Anyway, I'll start looking through the rest of the roster and try to actually find value in these match ups again. The greasy parlays, while fun, aren't really working out for me. I'm just wasting my BTC. Lol.

Actually, this is just what I think when Israel Adesanya backed away, Alex Pereira will always move forward always clearing the distance, and Adesanya doesn't want to move from side to side because he doesn't want to make mistakes because Alex Pereira tends to punch from side to side so Izzy is pretty much aware of that, and the only defense that Israel Adesanya has was the clinched but yeah in backing in that fence he has allowed Pereira, and Alex Pereira didn't notice this on the start of the match, he just realized this on the 5th round, when Adesanya would clinch to him Adesanya's center defense was open that surely have given the opportunity for Pereira, so for me, It could be the movement of Pereira that cause Israel Adesanya to back further away to the fence and this is the 1st time Adesanaya is fighting a guys taller than him or had the same height, not the same guys like Robert Whittaker, Marvin Vettori, and Jared Cannonier then don't have the same height as Pereira,

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^ And another thing.. Why was Adesanya always backing up and getting his back near the cage? It could he a mistake because he'd be having not much space to pull away once Pereira starts moving forward. It was like he was trapping himself.

Anyway, I'll start looking through the rest of the roster and try to actually find value in these match ups again. The greasy parlays, while fun, aren't really working out for me. I'm just wasting my BTC. Lol.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 29, 2023, 08:23:15 AM

You could watch the replay here...

https://mmacore.tv/videos/Israel_Adesanya_vs._Alex_Pereira_Full_Fight_UFC_281_Part_1/10476080

I'm gonna watch it too this week if I don't get lazy. Lol. I'll prolly just watch the last round at the part when Adesanya started falling apart. I don't know what his game plan was but his back was too close to the cage and that's where Pereira wanted.

And I thought the event was going to be this coming weekend. It's going to be at the weekend after. -_-

Thanks for the Link I have watched it again, for me, Israel Adesanya was winning the fight no doubt about that, from striking there were some points for Pereira but after that big right hand from Izzy, Alex Pereira was now respecting Israel Adesanya's striking, then on the 3rd round Alex Pereira shooting a takedown was his big mistake because Israel Adesanya is more dominant with wrestling than him he surely got much tool than Pereira and you could see that Alex Pereira was gas out from that grappling that Izzy kept on pressuring Pereira, and on the start of the 4th round you can see that Alex Pereira is now catching his breathing, and when the 5th round enters his corner have said something to him, pretty much Adesanya was not catching his breath or fatigue but because he knows that he already won the fight and have most of the rounds he was confident and was kind of sloppy that was his big mistake,

It was a bummer that it is not this week but UFC just got to have some week rest and this is their rest for this week while we are having a break I surely rewatch their Kick Boxing fight, and this UFC fight as well and watch Israel Adesanya's training, and right now finding video of Alex Pereira's training aswell,

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 31, 2023, 03:23:27 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on March 30, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Adesanya is better than Pereira if we're talking about pure skills and technique. But there are other factors that also help win a fight. There's size, strength, cardio and other things like heart and motivation. And sadly for Adesanya, there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. For Adesanya it could be Pereira. For Usman it's Edwards.

So much better that managed to lose 3 times Cheesy

If Adesanya is better, why didnt he make conclusion after fight/fights and lose next fight to him? Pereira was so bad at ground games, that even Adesanya managed to do takedowns and control him on the ground. Why Izzy did not stress on that, but decided to outstrike Pereira. Because Pereira oustriked him in kickboxing, then Adesanya decided to avenge that omission?

P.S. Where is Welsh ? We are discussing his kid for two pages already Cheesy

Don't get too amped up... Again, as said, if we're just talking about pure skills and technique, Adesanya is better. Remember, Adesanya was on his way in winning the match before he got finished.

But there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. And also watch those kick boxing matches. Adesanya was also ahead before the knock out and the other one is close but Pereira won, hence the observation that Pereira has Adesanya's number.

I think the rematch will be close with Pereira edging it.

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but I myself would not be surprised if there were several famous athletes who used illegal drugs.

No waaaay

P.S. I never consider Jon Jones as greatest fighter because of his illegal moves in octagon, drug issues, doping. Not the greatest, just talented.

Yes, Jon Jones cannot be crowned as the greatest fighter of all time because he has failed and has a history of using illegal drugs, which makes it clear that every fighter cannot use doping or certain drugs.
In fact, I have a mainstay heavyweight fighter, Stipe Miocic, and he deserves to be called a GOAT in the UFC because Miocic has a 20-3 career record in the UFC.
Maybe Jon Jones did have quite a satisfying fight and his career record was so epic, but after it was discovered that he was taking drugs, many of his fans were disappointed, including the UFC board.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 31, 2023, 03:23:27 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on March 30, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Adesanya is better than Pereira if we're talking about pure skills and technique. But there are other factors that also help win a fight. There's size, strength, cardio and other things like heart and motivation. And sadly for Adesanya, there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. For Adesanya it could be Pereira. For Usman it's Edwards.

So much better that managed to lose 3 times Cheesy

If Adesanya is better, why didnt he make conclusion after fight/fights and lose next fight to him? Pereira was so bad at ground games, that even Adesanya managed to do takedowns and control him on the ground. Why Izzy did not stress on that, but decided to outstrike Pereira. Because Pereira oustriked him in kickboxing, then Adesanya decided to avenge that omission?

P.S. Where is Welsh ? We are discussing his kid for two pages already Cheesy

That may be the reason why Adesanya may win this time. He knows the weakness of Perreira and yet he was filled with pride or ego and tried to outbox him which made him lose his belt. He has lots of skills that could end the fight quickly or even if it went to 5 rounds he can still win the decision by putting Perreira down on the mat as much as possible.
But I used "may" because there's a chance Perreira is also strengthening his weaknesses. I don't want to think that he is a lazy fighter that would not patch things up. We may see him perform some takedown defense so that it could stay at a stand-up fight.
Adesanya could win his title back, it's just a manner of discipline and staying focused on the plan. No more shortcuts or playing with his prey.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 30, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Adesanya is better than Pereira if we're talking about pure skills and technique. But there are other factors that also help win a fight. There's size, strength, cardio and other things like heart and motivation. And sadly for Adesanya, there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. For Adesanya it could be Pereira. For Usman it's Edwards.

So much better that managed to lose 3 times Cheesy

If Adesanya is better, why didnt he make conclusion after fight/fights and lose next fight to him? Pereira was so bad at ground games, that even Adesanya managed to do takedowns and control him on the ground. Why Izzy did not stress on that, but decided to outstrike Pereira. Because Pereira oustriked him in kickboxing, then Adesanya decided to avenge that omission?

P.S. Where is Welsh ? We are discussing his kid for two pages already Cheesy

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Quote from: bittraffic on March 30, 2023, 12:02:19 PM

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It seems like fate is really playing bettors as well when we see Adesanya still is more favored by bookies. Since then it's always Adensanya that people are betting to win but a big disappointment every time. I'm starting to believe he is in love with Alex. Cheesy

Israel Adesanya actually motivated Alex Pereira to focus on MMA when he dissed Pereira during an interview when he was asked about his knockout loss in Kickboxing, you can search that video online and after that Alex Pereira was in the corner for the Anderson Silva fight in UFC 234 and Pereira made his mission to defeat him in MMA as well Cheesy

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Quote from: bittraffic on March 30, 2023, 12:02:19 PM

Pereira had done it 3 times already against Izzy, once in Kickboxing. Pereira is Izzy's nightmare that doesn't go away and he may do it many times more.

Twice in Kickboxing and once in MMA, if Alex Pereira can make the weight then i am expecting him to win the fight once again but looking at his training videos, he looks much bigger now and he might struggle to get to championship weight with the body mass he gained.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 30, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Adesanya is better than Pereira if we're talking about pure skills and technique.

After losing from him so many times, I am seriously starting to question if Adesanya is better than Pereira in anything, except performance outside octagon as a showan.
I just saw his new statement saying that this fight against Pereira is his last chance for title and proving he is better than his opponent.

Quote from: tokeweed on March 30, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

But there are other factors that also help win a fight. There's size, strength, cardio and other things like heart and motivation. And sadly for Adesanya, there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. For Adesanya it could be Pereira. For Usman it's Edwards.

Pereira is stronger fighter and Adesanya showed that he can have problems with fighters like that.
Maybe putting on some weight and more muscles would make him more dangerous, but this would slow him down.
When I compare all this fighters you mentioned with Khabib, I see how amazing unique fighter he was, and it's a shame to see him retire so early on top.

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Israel Adesanya is going to be out for revenge in this match. And we have seen him perform really well when he is out for revenge previously. So I think revenge is something that makes anyone a lot more dangerous. That is probably the same thing going to happen here. In the upcoming fight between him and Alex Pereira, I say Israel Adesanya is going to be the winner.
Don't really want to make any statement about Jones. He could have been so much better if he just was a little more hard-working and serious about his career.

This is what is good in the UFC because they settle it quickly as soon as possible the re-match is because the fire on the emblem is still on and the memory of the fight of these two good fighters is still fresh. They need to fight once more to finish their rivalry and we will see more amazing actions from these two. I think Adesanya is still traumatized about his loss and he won't gonna recover in the first round until he gets to realize that Alex Pereira is still just a normal opponent just like the others that he fought before. and when that happens, I'm sure his performance will be boosted and his chance to win will be high at that moment.

It seems like fate is really playing bettors as well when we see Adesanya still is more favored by bookies. Since then it's always Adensanya that people are betting to win but a big disappointment every time. I'm starting to believe he is in love with Alex. Cheesy

Pereira had done it 3 times already against Izzy, once in Kickboxing. Pereira is Izzy's nightmare that doesn't go away and he may do it many times more.

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Quote from: kro55 on March 28, 2023, 01:24:19 PM

Israel Adesanya is going to be out for revenge in this match. And we have seen him perform really well when he is out for revenge previously. So I think revenge is something that makes anyone a lot more dangerous. That is probably the same thing going to happen here. In the upcoming fight between him and Alex Pereira, I say Israel Adesanya is going to be the winner.
Don't really want to make any statement about Jones. He could have been so much better if he just was a little more hard-working and serious about his career.

This is what is good in the UFC because they settle it quickly as soon as possible the re-match is because the fire on the emblem is still on and the memory of the fight of these two good fighters is still fresh. They need to fight once more to finish their rivalry and we will see more amazing actions from these two. I think Adesanya is still traumatized about his loss and he won't gonna recover in the first round until he gets to realize that Alex Pereira is still just a normal opponent just like the others that he fought before. and when that happens, I'm sure his performance will be boosted and his chance to win will be high at that moment.

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You are right, this is gonna be totally the last chance for Adesanya. Even though if he wins, imho this will be their last fight. Otherwise they will slow down whole division. How can it be fair competition, when same two guys fight for the belt. I believe Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier would like to try on middleweight belt on their waist. But I admin, that if Pereira wins again, but later looses to someone who is perfect at submitting, then they might meet again but not fight for a belt.

Adesanya is a kickboxer too, but he was able to destroy every fighters and not get submitted in middleweight, Pereira should be safe if he's keep staying in middleweight. But there's a new name which came from EFC and KSW, it's Dricus du Plessis, he seems to be a good contender.

I'm not sure if Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier able to beat Pereira, even though Pereira is quite new in UFC, but he was very experienced in kickboxing.

Because there were mostly strikers in middleweight or low class wrestlers by the time he defended his belt. I am not doubting Adesanya skills, no doubt he is talented. Sorry, forgot old Yoel Romero. He did not submit Adesanya, because he was running all the time Cheesy

One of the most boring Izzy fights.

Indeed Whittaker, Vettori, Cannonier will find it hard to beat Pereira, maybe even impossible for them to beat him, but it does not mean they dont want to fight him. It is hard to stand aside if you want to be champion, but have to wait because two other guys have unfinished business and find out two is better. That is why I dont like such cases when Moreno fight Figueiredo 4 times and etc.

Adesanya is better than Pereira if we're talking about pure skills and technique. But there are other factors that also help win a fight. There's size, strength, cardio and other things like heart and motivation. And sadly for Adesanya, there's just some fighters that have the other fighter's number. For Adesanya it could be Pereira. For Usman it's Edwards.

And it's funny Du Plessis was mentioned by Apocollapse. While the guy is strong and has heart, I don't think he's up there in skill yet and he looks gassy. Put him in a 5 rounder vs Whitaker or Vettori and he'll get beat.

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You are right, this is gonna be totally the last chance for Adesanya. Even though if he wins, imho this will be their last fight. Otherwise they will slow down whole division. How can it be fair competition, when same two guys fight for the belt. I believe Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier would like to try on middleweight belt on their waist. But I admin, that if Pereira wins again, but later looses to someone who is perfect at submitting, then they might meet again but not fight for a belt.

Adesanya is a kickboxer too, but he was able to destroy every fighters and not get submitted in middleweight, Pereira should be safe if he's keep staying in middleweight. But there's a new name which came from EFC and KSW, it's Dricus du Plessis, he seems to be a good contender.

I'm not sure if Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier able to beat Pereira, even though Pereira is quite new in UFC, but he was very experienced in kickboxing.

^ Pereira is certainly new to UFC. But he has been doing well. After all, beating Israel Adesanya is not an easy task to do. And in the next fight, it is going to be interesting to see if Alex Pereira can actually beat Israel Adesanya. Because then I think people would not keep saying that all these guys are better than Alex Pereira.

But me, I am someone who actually thinks Alex Pereira is far above average. He's certainly better than people give him credit.

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You are right, this is gonna be totally the last chance for Adesanya. Even though if he wins, imho this will be their last fight. Otherwise they will slow down whole division. How can it be fair competition, when same two guys fight for the belt. I believe Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier would like to try on middleweight belt on their waist. But I admin, that if Pereira wins again, but later looses to someone who is perfect at submitting, then they might meet again but not fight for a belt.

Adesanya is a kickboxer too, but he was able to destroy every fighters and not get submitted in middleweight, Pereira should be safe if he's keep staying in middleweight. But there's a new name which came from EFC and KSW, it's Dricus du Plessis, he seems to be a good contender.

I'm not sure if Whittaker, Vettori and Cannonier able to beat Pereira, even though Pereira is quite new in UFC, but he was very experienced in kickboxing.

Because there were mostly strikers in middleweight or low class wrestlers by the time he defended his belt. I am not doubting Adesanya skills, no doubt he is talented. Sorry, forgot old Yoel Romero. He did not submit Adesanya, because he was running all the time Cheesy

One of the most boring Izzy fights.

Indeed Whittaker, Vettori, Cannonier will find it hard to beat Pereira, maybe even impossible for them to beat him, but it does not mean they dont want to fight him. It is hard to stand aside if you want to be champion, but have to wait because two other guys have unfinished business and find out two is better. That is why I dont like such cases when Moreno fight Figueiredo 4 times and etc.

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