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July 06, 2022, 02:22:55 AM
They weighed the same, the day before. That's how it works across most fighting sports. However, due to the way they weight cut, i.e mostly waters. On the day you're going to see some fighters gain their mass back rather quickly, and therefore will be heavier than the day before.

Now, there's been criticism of this in the past, but the only way you're going to stop this is by weighing them before they step in the cage. However, that presents new problems like, bad weight cuts causing the fighters to be drained before actually fighting, since they'd be fighting like a hour after they finished cutting, more cancelled fights or fighters losing their purse, and quite frankly wouldn't earn the UFC as many money since they wouldn't get double the viewers, since a lot of people tune into the weigh ins. Thus, they make more sponsorship money.

So, to answer your question in short; It's impossible to prevent a fighter from cutting so much that he weighs the same as his opponent the day before the fight, but ultimately is heavier on the day.
I understand this, in the end the champion must do this, win all fights. Max had chances to win in the second fight, but he has bad discipline, he sometimes does rash things.

Volkanovski deserves to be a champion, I see that his statistical achievements are already being compared with those of Khabib, he really did well and deserved it.
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July 05, 2022, 03:37:23 PM
I'm a Izzy fan, but I'd like to see him take a little more risks. I mean, he claimed he didn't care about holding the belt, and wanted to style on his opponents, but we didn't see any of that. So, just words from him I think.
You need two to tango and Cannonier with his team wanted to slow down pace, this was their tactics but he lost all rounds.
Adesanya said that this was his off night and you can't expect him to perform like fighting machine in all of his fights.
Didn't Izzy take greatest risk not long ago when he made light-heavyweight division excursion with Blachowitcz?

Look at Volk, held a belt for a while now, but still is exciting, and takes calculated risks. I want to see Izzy do that, because when he puts pressure on he's one of the best. Think about the Gastelum fight, he was forced to take risks, and it was a lot more entertaining than we've seen recently.
Sure, Volkanovski had a great night and he even broken his arm in second round, but you can't say that every his fight was like this.
I think that many MMAN fans are acting like spoiled kids, like they complained about Aleksandar Rakic in past.

Pereira is given no. 6 spot after beating Strickland who was at no. 4.  Not sure why Pereira wasn't given the no. 4 spot but I'd like to see him go next or go against the winner of Whitaker vs Vettori next month.
I listened Adesanya interview and he is already asking for Pereira fight next, so his rankings doesn't matter very much if they make some deal with Dana White approval.
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July 05, 2022, 09:56:04 AM
@ Bttzed03 thanks yes, betting odds is what made me really confused about Israel/Pereira. I will ignore now Smiley

@ TopTort777 Khamzat Pereira fake,,, I am almost thinking now this UFC media is worse than Italian transfer news for football. Everything is so unreliable  Embarrassed

@ Welsh This is probably the most helpful for me, top ranked versus top ranked. I guess that means before Pereira gets his chance, others before him deserve their chance first and Cannonier already did, and could not win,,, so next chances to the top ranked.

I am getting there to understanding!
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July 05, 2022, 09:43:53 AM
So about this, what rank should a fighter be to get a shot at the title holder?
Top five at the very least. However, most of the time the second ranked fighter has already taken a shot at the champion, and lost. So, it would make sense if future contenders go through them first. I'm happy with top five, but I'm much more comfortable with top three being allowed a shot at the title. Anything below that, and it starts to get a little bit weird, like Conor.

Title shot should be earned, but should be given to anyone that's deserving. Sometimes fighters don't get that chance despite putting on good shows, and working their way up.


But the thing with 185 is Adesanya already has beaten all comers.  The UFC must update the rankings a few hours ago.  Top 5 in order are:

Whitaker
Cannoier
Vettori
Brunson
Costa

All of these guys got beat by Adesanya.

...  Pereira is given no. 6 spot after beating Strickland who was at no. 4.  Not sure why Pereira wasn't given the no. 4 spot but I'd like to see him go next or go against the winner of Whitaker vs Vettori next month.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/658602-ufc-fight-night-robert-the-reaper-whittaker-vs-marvin-the-italian-dream-vettori

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July 05, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
Thank you! It is true there are a lot of sites but I have a hard time understanding what to follow. For example this Pereira Israel fight is a sure thing or not at all, depending on the site you visit. And now I am reading Khamzat is more likely as Pereira's next one.

So about this, what rank should a fighter be to get a shot at the title holder?


Alex Pereira should first have 2-3 fights against top15 fighters to be able to have a title fight. Or lets say in more simple words - make a series of 5-8 straight wins and you will among first contestants for a title fight.

As to Khamzat and Pereira, Khamzan is in the different weight division. It is unlikely they will fight. First of all, because Khamzat aims for a title fight in welterweight. Second - you probably have seen a tweet or something like that where Khamzat challenges Pereira. Khamzat is such a guy that challenges everyone Cheesy He is ready to fight two Ngannou at once Cheesy So Khamzat vs Pereira is fake.

For me Alex Pereira has already earned his ticket for the Middleweight Championship like Michael Chandler he deserves it also. And I know the majority of the fans want this fight to be set as soon as possible, hopingly this 4th quarter of the year.

For the record:

MMA Record: 6 wins (5 KOs) 1 Loss
Professional Kickboxing Record: 33 wins (21 KOs), 7 losses (2 KOs)
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July 05, 2022, 07:02:51 AM
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It is true there are a lot of sites but I have a hard time understanding what to follow.
Don't worry too much about these speculations from all websites. The official match will be announced months before the event anyway. Dana once said not to take what you read on social media, about potential fights, seriously because what's being discussed behind closed doors is usually different from what's written. Not the exact words but something to that effect.

You can also ignore all the betting odds on Adesanya vs. Pereira that's posted all over MMA pages recently.
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July 05, 2022, 06:34:10 AM
He is ready to fight two Ngannou at once Cheesy So Khamzat vs Pereira is fake.
Plus, a terrible match up unless Khamzat wants to stand up, and bang. I'd like to see it, but honestly I kind of want to see Pereira vs Izzy just because of their history, and I think it might just make Izzy become a little more active. He'll want to prove people wrong about being knocked out, and therefore might step on the gas a little more.

I know I said top five or top three, but in certain circumstances I can understand pushing them there sooner. This case is one of them I think. I don't think Pereira would be a dominant champion if he did win it, and quite frankly he most definitely has holes in his game as of right now, which have been exposed slightly in past fights.

Maybe, in this case it's what the division needs.
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July 05, 2022, 06:23:39 AM
Thank you! It is true there are a lot of sites but I have a hard time understanding what to follow. For example this Pereira Israel fight is a sure thing or not at all, depending on the site you visit. And now I am reading Khamzat is more likely as Pereira's next one.

So about this, what rank should a fighter be to get a shot at the title holder?


Alex Pereira should first have 2-3 fights against top15 fighters to be able to have a title fight. Or lets say in more simple words - make a series of 5-8 straight wins and you will among first contestants for a title fight.

As to Khamzat and Pereira, Khamzan is in the different weight division. It is unlikely they will fight. First of all, because Khamzat aims for a title fight in welterweight. Second - you probably have seen a tweet or something like that where Khamzat challenges Pereira. Khamzat is such a guy that challenges everyone Cheesy He is ready to fight two Ngannou at once Cheesy So Khamzat vs Pereira is fake.
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July 05, 2022, 05:56:39 AM
So about this, what rank should a fighter be to get a shot at the title holder?
Top five at the very least. However, most of the time the second ranked fighter has already taken a shot at the champion, and lost. So, it would make sense if future contenders go through them first. I'm happy with top five, but I'm much more comfortable with top three being allowed a shot at the title. Anything below that, and it starts to get a little bit weird, like Conor.

Title shot should be earned, but should be given to anyone that's deserving. Sometimes fighters don't get that chance despite putting on good shows, and working their way up.
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July 05, 2022, 05:54:00 AM
There are plenty of sites that could help you to start, and if you are familiar with MMA then I think you should start familiarizing their style and look for the UFC Rankings so you can see who is on the top and who will be the number 1 contender,

Alex Pereira is a no ranked, to begin with, and it is Sean Stricklands' fault for giving him a fight because Sean Strickland lost to Alex Pereira, Pereira will be landing in a sweet spot on the ranking, but not that much, and he will be needing more fights to get to the Champion Israel Adesanya, he is still starting his career in the UFC I think he still needs to prove himself, but he has gained Performance of the Night award by knocking Strickland on the 1st round, so there is that,

No, I don't think he deserves a title shot yet. He defeated a top ten middleweight but he'll have to do more than a 3-fight win streak. Maybe a fight with Whittaker or Vettori first before Adesanya. BUT all matches ultimately depends on Dana. If he's happy about a fighter and the guy is easily marketable, he might give him a chance faster than the others. At the end of the day, it's still about who can bring in more crowd and pay for gate/PPV.

Thank you! It is true there are a lot of sites but I have a hard time understanding what to follow. For example this Pereira Israel fight is a sure thing or not at all, depending on the site you visit. And now I am reading Khamzat is more likely as Pereira's next one.

So about this, what rank should a fighter be to get a shot at the title holder?

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July 05, 2022, 05:15:08 AM
I'm a Izzy fan, but I'd like to see him take a little more risks. I mean, he claimed he didn't care about holding the belt, and wanted to style on his opponents, but we didn't see any of that. So, just words from him I think.

Look at Volk, held a belt for a while now, but still is exciting, and takes calculated risks. I want to see Izzy do that, because when he puts pressure on he's one of the best. Think about the Gastelum fight, he was forced to take risks, and it was a lot more entertaining than we've seen recently.

I guess I'm just getting bored of seeing him play it safe just to keep the belt. The division was already getting stale, but him point fighting doesn't really help. I can't blame him exactly, I mean the longer he holds it, the more money, and legacy he builds. I'm just talking from a fans point of view, and considering the excitement factor which Izzy is quickly losing.

I think the last time Israel Adesanya risked was his fight in light heavyweight against Błachowicz. Mainly because he was lighter than Błachowicz and lighter than light heavy division on the scales.
Before becoming a champion, he risked much more. After getting his belt, he mostly finishes his title defences with UD (only TKOed Costa that had hangover). No doubt that he is a great fighter and striker, but why a lot of people call him one of the better strikers in UFC? If he was one of the best, he would KO people in first rounds.
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July 05, 2022, 04:45:36 AM
I'm a Izzy fan, but I'd like to see him take a little more risks. I mean, he claimed he didn't care about holding the belt, and wanted to style on his opponents, but we didn't see any of that. So, just words from him I think.

Look at Volk, held a belt for a while now, but still is exciting, and takes calculated risks. I want to see Izzy do that, because when he puts pressure on he's one of the best. Think about the Gastelum fight, he was forced to take risks, and it was a lot more entertaining than we've seen recently.

I guess I'm just getting bored of seeing him play it safe just to keep the belt. The division was already getting stale, but him point fighting doesn't really help. I can't blame him exactly, I mean the longer he holds it, the more money, and legacy he builds. I'm just talking from a fans point of view, and considering the excitement factor which Izzy is quickly losing.
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July 05, 2022, 03:06:50 AM

Alex Pereira finished him good and his UFC road to the top might be faster than Jiří Procházka, and it's only a matter of time when he meets his arch enemy Adesanya.
Yesterday I watched again kickboxing fight between this two guys and he knocked down Adesanya in amazing style, so there is bad blood between them.
Adesanya had total domination against Cannonier and he won exactly like I expected, but I can't wait to see fight Adesanya vs Pereira Smiley
Almost forgot to say, that Undertaker entry style for Adesanya was one of the best I saw in UFC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWusg4MR1EE

He should wear it with a long leather jacket next and makes the lights go dim a bit more with matching candles on the runway, and I think that will be Phenomenal, I think Israel Adesanya is still a kid in heart, for having this kind of entrance, loving Anime, and explicitly saying the Tabbo word Hentai on his podcast he surely loves what he is doing and I think he is an open book when Sean Strickland was getting over him Strickland simply is reading through Adesanya, but Still loving what he is doing,

Some good fights this weekend. Can’t say I was really surprised by anything but I could’ve done without the Suga eye poke. Izzy and Suga did their jobs though. Lots of folks not too happy about how some gambling houses handled the Suga fight, but it was a bit of a weird scenario. Still not exactly sure how that’s being counted on records. I guess this makes up for the Suga loss that he doesn’t recognize. Now he’s been on both sides of the coin. Hopefully he doesn’t fall off from here. Feels a little like the magic is gone.

In Israel Adesanya's case, I think the fans, and should I say MMA fans were really on a different path, there are some that like Izzy's performance but there are some that get bored with how Israel Adesanya fought, but for me, I think he is just playing it simple and safe and dominating the fight in the distance and gaining points, and pressuring Jared Cannonier from the distance was actually a great strategy and not all the fans will be loving his performance because is quite very simple,

In the O'Malley fight, I can not say if it was really intentional or not, but Pedro Munhoz said it was 2 pokes and a groin kick, he felt in the heat of the fight but he's not saying that O'Malley have done it intentionally but for me, I think he is,

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July 04, 2022, 11:25:28 PM
Israel Adesanya VS Jared Cannonier Round 5 Decision - WIN
Big congratulations to Isreal, One of the biggest winners in that game apart from him is drake the musicians who bet a whopping $1M  that he was going to win and won $2.5M. Isreal is making a good record for himself with now twenty three wins and one loss. His confidence level will be up as well having not lost any of his last twelve fights and preparing to face Pereira who he has a history with, it will be an entertaining fight to see them both once again, head to head on the stage.

Is his bet only on Izzy? How could this be? The odds on Izzy was only 1.18. Izzy might not be Drake's only bet or he should share to us what sportsbook he is using before it becomes bankrupt from giving very good odds heheehhe. In any case, the Last Stylebender versus the Killa Gorilla was not very good to watch. It was very boring and according to Alex Pereira the fans were leaving on round 4.



During his UFC 276 post-fight press conference, Pereira expressed disappointment in Adesanya’s showing in the main event.

“It was not a fight that not only (didn’t) excite me but also did not excite the crowd. I was very sad to see that,” Pereira said of Adesanya’s performance. “So I hope when we fight, he do a better fight than that. For sure, I want to make him fight to give a better show to the crowd.”

Since Pereira first signed with the UFC, speculation has risen regarding a third fight between him and Adesanya. Pereira has accused Adesanya of ducking him leading up to Adesanya’s post-UFC 276 callout.


Source https://www.mmanews.com/2022/07/pereira-adesanya-ufc-276/

Disappointing to see how boring the fight.  It didn't live up to what is expected to see since the two are known to throw shots that could immediately bring anyone of them down.  It didn't entertain the people on the side of the cage, they are the ones looking for action.

As for  Pereira, he is likely trying to annoy Adesanya. Pereira  is looks up to what Izzy had achieved in UFC while in the first try of Izzy in the combat sports he had knocked him down. A little bit more of intimidation, Dana could match the two.


Agreed. Uncle Dana will begin creating his storyline for the only man who knocked out Israel Adesanya. However, I predict Izzy will avoid this fight and he will declare that he will go on a vacation to a place far somewhere hehheehehe. Alex Pereira is the man he fears.

For uncle Dana, Izzy's vacation will certainly be disappointing. However, he has a weapon for this. He will make an interim middleweight championship for Alex Pereira. I predict it will be versus Robert Whitaker.
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July 04, 2022, 03:19:46 PM
Some good fights this weekend. Can’t say I was really surprised by anything but I could’ve done without the Suga eye poke. Izzy and Suga did their jobs though. Lots of folks not too happy about how some gambling houses handled the Suga fight, but it was a bit of a weird scenario. Still not exactly sure how that’s being counted on records. I guess this makes up for the Suga loss that he doesn’t recognize. Now he’s been on both sides of the coin. Hopefully he doesn’t fall off from here. Feels a little like the magic is gone.
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July 04, 2022, 01:51:32 PM
Volk also announced he'll be moving up a division, which I'm all for. I honestly, after that performance against Max, don't think there's too many contenders in the same division. I thought Max would do better than that, but it's quite clear that Volk has just continued to get better, while Max looking a little stagnant.
Volkanovski is without a doubt best fighter in his Featherweight division and he is getting better with each new fight, but Lightweight will be totally different beast for him.
Charles Oliveira, Poirier, Gaethje, Makhachev are top of the food chain in that division and he needs to improve more and put some weight if he wants to compete with them on same level.
Everyone wants to be champion in two or more categories but it's not easy to do it and remain champion for long.

Also, I haven't watched the post conference yet, is it worth watching? I'd only be interested in Strickland's attitude after being knocked out. That's if he didn't have to go to hospital for a few checks that is.
Alex Pereira finished him good and his UFC road to the top might be faster than Jiří Procházka, and it's only a matter of time when he meets his arch enemy Adesanya.
Yesterday I watched again kickboxing fight between this two guys and he knocked down Adesanya in amazing style, so there is bad blood between them.
Adesanya had total domination against Cannonier and he won exactly like I expected, but I can't wait to see fight Adesanya vs Pereira Smiley
Almost forgot to say, that Undertaker entry style for Adesanya was one of the best I saw in UFC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWusg4MR1EE
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July 04, 2022, 10:09:40 AM
So guys, I am quite new to this sport,,, but I am trying to follow the news and developments, still very difficult for me to understand especially how the future match ups work and how weird one guy decides who meets who usually.

So my question is, because all the news outlets are 50-50. Do you think this Pereira guy has earned enough to meet Adesanya? One big win yes, but is it enough to say he now deserves to fight the main man?

There are plenty of sites that could help you to start, and if you are familiar with MMA then I think you should start familiarizing their style and look for the UFC Rankings so you can see who is on the top and who will be the number 1 contender,

Alex Pereira is a no ranked, to begin with, and it is Sean Stricklands' fault for giving him a fight because Sean Strickland lost to Alex Pereira, Pereira will be landing in a sweet spot on the ranking, but not that much, and he will be needing more fights to get to the Champion Israel Adesanya, he is still starting his career in the UFC I think he still needs to prove himself, but he has gained Performance of the Night award by knocking Strickland on the 1st round, so there is that,

Israel Adesanya vs. Jared Cannonier - Israel Adesanya's gimmick is more entertaining than the fight. Dana White should book  Alex Pereira for the next title defense or I more  fight in the top 5 before facing Adesanya.


All are true, Israel Adesanya's gimmick was more entertaining but for me, his fight was not that bad, I think many people are bored with his style because he tends to be on the safe side than clobber his opponent without further thinking about what will happen, the way Izzy fight is part of the game plan, if you are bored over it and doesn't like the way he fights there is still an option to not watched it, This is how Israel Adesanya fights he can Knockout his opponent but I think when an opportunity comes, right now his record is 24 matches 23 Wins and 1 Lost, and with 15 of his win was by Knockout and 8 wins are all Decision,

Pedro Munhoz vs. Sean O’Malley - What a disappointing fight! Sean O’Malley next fight should be in the top 15 for us to see if this guy is a prospect to be a contender in the Bantamweight Division.


I'm not too fond of Sean O'Malley his character and the way he says that he is dominating the fight but the truth is that he really is not, if you look at every fight of Munhoz he is not a quitter, every doubter in saying that Pedro Munhoz is just saying his eye hurt just because he wanted out of the fight if you look at the score cards it was really a close fight but two judges are in favor for Munhoz on the 1st round, so why would he want to make excuses that he wanted to be out of the fight, and Reed Harris is saying he sees Munhoz in the morning and his eye was still shut, and the medical reports have said that it was a right corneal abrasion, from that eye poked of Sean O'Malley, and Pedro Munhoz is saying that there are two eye pokes and a hit to his groin, and if we look closely on the 1st eye poke it was the thumb of Sean O'Malley but it was just a slight eye poke and Munhoz was really OK but that 2nd eye poke went inside and really damage his eye,

But I can not say that Sean O'Malley have done that on purpose or it really was an accident it is up for you to decide on what you think, but one thing that I am sure about is Sean O'Malley was not dominating the fight I really think it was a close fight, it was a competitive fight,
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July 04, 2022, 08:24:48 AM
Israel Adesanya vs. Jared Cannonier - Israel Adesanya's gimmick is more entertaining than the fight. Dana White should book  Alex Pereira for the next title defense or I more  fight in the top 5 before facing Adesanya.

Alexander Volkanovski vs. Max Holloway - No doubt Alexander Volkanovski is the goat in the Featherweight Division better to move up and aim to be a double champ.

Sean Strickland vs. Alex Pereira - What a brutal left hook was that, so cold.

Pedro Munhoz vs. Sean O’Malley - What a disappointing fight! Sean O’Malley next fight should be in the top 15 for us if this guy is a prospect to be a contender in the Bantamweight Division.




Alex Pereira first shot was great but I think the point is how carefully  hadn't waited for the right timing when He was swinging the second punch.

The Sean O'malley match was a total disappointment. It would have been a good match, ended too soon. I think, given a little more time, they could have opened their eyes and continued the fight. I think he should be in the top five in Bantamweight.

I don't want to say anything with Volkanovski. He has no rivals in this weight, he has proven it again, he should go up to a higher weight and make a belt match there.

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July 04, 2022, 08:15:41 AM
Israel Adesanya vs. Jared Cannonier - Israel Adesanya's gimmick is more entertaining than the fight. Dana White should book  Alex Pereira for the next title defense or I more  fight in the top 5 before facing Adesanya.

Alexander Volkanovski vs. Max Holloway - No doubt Alexander Volkanovski is the goat in the Featherweight Division better to move up and aim to be a double champ.

Sean Strickland vs. Alex Pereira - What a brutal left hook was that, so cold.

Pedro Munhoz vs. Sean O’Malley - What a disappointing fight! Sean O’Malley next fight should be in the top 15 for us to see if this guy is a prospect to be a contender in the Bantamweight Division.


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July 04, 2022, 02:49:22 AM
UFC on ESPN: dos Anjos vs. Fiziev



Date: JULY 10
Main SUN, JUL 10 / 4:00 AM EEST
Prelims: SUN, JUL 10 / 1:00 AM EEST

Venue: UFC Apex

Main card (ESPN+)
Lightweight: Rafael dos Anjos vs. Rafael Fiziev            
Middleweight: Caio Borralho vs. Armen Petrosyan            
Bantamweight: Said Nurmagomedov vs. Douglas Silva de Andrade            
Heavyweight: Jared Vanderaa vs. Chase Sherman            
Middleweight: Jamie Pickett vs. Denis Tiuliulin            
Lightweight: Michael Johnson vs. Jamie Mullarkey   
Preliminary card (ESPN / ESPN+)
Women's Flyweight: Cynthia Calvillo vs. Nina Nunes            
Bantamweight: Aiemann Zahabi vs. Ricky Turcios            
Women's Flyweight: Antonina Shevchenko vs. Cortney Casey            
Middleweight: Cody Brundage vs. Tresean Gore            
Light Heavyweight: Karl Roberson vs. Kennedy Nzechukwu            
Bantamweight: Ronnie Lawrence vs. Saidyokub Kakhramonov      

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_ESPN:_dos_Anjos_vs._Fiziev
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