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Quote from: tokeweed on November 25, 2021, 10:58:01 AM

^ If Usman and Chimaev were to fight next, how would you line the fight or how do you think the sports betting sites will line it..?

I think they will open the market line right in the middle. Prolly 1.90 - 2.00 for either one of them making it a coin flip. Sharp money usually come first to find value but if lined in the middle, the sharps would not want to move the line first and give value to whoever becomes the underdog. Chimaev could be that special.

I agree. Although I'm saying all the time that Chimaev would beat Usman if there was a fight, of course I understand that in reality it's a coin flip. Like who can be that stupid to underestimated a great fighter like Kamaru Usman.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 25, 2021, 04:36:32 AM

He started wrestling when he was 5 years old, and he is a three-time Swedish National champion in wrestling. So, I agree with you when you say "he has the best grappling". I mean, it's not entirely surprising, right?

This is why between Gilbert Burns if Chimaev would surely have a problem with Wrestling against Burns I think he may result in striking and I am very confident with the power of his striking, but I still think against Chimaev, Burns will surely have a hard time with his Chain Wrestling, and even if they are on the ringside it is still proven effective, that is why I am really confident on Khamzat Chimaev.

I think if nothing extraordinary happens, I'm betting on Khamzat during the following year or two, no matter who he is going to fight. In no way it's a recipe for successful betting. It's just my little experiment.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on November 28, 2021, 09:51:15 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on November 28, 2021, 07:17:10 AM

An Islam Makhachev fight is what I am waiting for, and against another wrestler, I think this could be an interesting match-up, and Beneil Dariush is a Black belt of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai against a Combat Sambo, Dagestan fighter, this is going to be interesting, I am really going with Islam Makhachev because I really love the style of Combat Sambo and Chain Wrestling we could really see if what type of Wrestling is more convenient inside the octagon.

I wonder if Dariush BJJ could cancel the Dagestan ground game a bit. He's got some nice accomplishments under his belt, both in Gi and NO Gi when it comes to BJJ competition, however, he has a loss to Chiesa from a neck crank I think, so I don't know what happened there, but, I am on the Dariush hype train so I'll be a bit biased this time around XD It's not like Makhacev didn't have BJJ opposition before, recent being Thiago Moises, but, I kinda wanna think Dariush can bring something a bit more competitive to the table. Fuck, I'm hyped.

It is really interesting if which wrestling will dominate, and if you are hype, I am pretty hype aswell, and I am going with Islam Makachev all the way, pretty much we will see a possible counter for both sides, but for me, I am looking at the amount of power they will put on along with their Grappling,

So I am really expecting Dariush BBJ is also good, but this will surely be a fight of strength and endurance if it would go to the ground, I don't know If I have said this to the thread over and over, but what is good about Islam Makachev's wrestling was it has a chain a simultaneous combo that he can pull off, and even though they are near the steel bar it doesn't matter because Dagestan wrestling really works out fine even in those circumstances, and yeah I am really biased here because I would like Makachev winning this match.

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^ Intruiging match up. And either one who wins could get a shot for the title next. But yeah.. looking at Makhachev‘s last 5 matches, it looks like he hasn’t been against an elite grappler like Dariush in the UFC. I mean Thiago Moises is supposedly a good grappler but nothing like Dariush.

Here’s the Tapology page for the match up.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/617723-ufc-fight-night-beneil-benny-dariush-vs-islam-makhachev

It’s also 5 rounds. That Dariush gas tank will be tested and he’s a bit chinny.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on November 28, 2021, 07:17:10 AM

An Islam Makhachev fight is what I am waiting for, and against another wrestler, I think this could be an interesting match-up, and Beneil Dariush is a Black belt of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai against a Combat Sambo, Dagestan fighter, this is going to be interesting, I am really going with Islam Makhachev because I really love the style of Combat Sambo and Chain Wrestling we could really see if what type of Wrestling is more convenient inside the octagon.

I wonder if Dariush BJJ could cancel the Dagestan ground game a bit. He's got some nice accomplishments under his belt, both in Gi and NO Gi when it comes to BJJ competition, however, he has a loss to Chiesa from a neck crank I think, so I don't know what happened there, but, I am on the Dariush hype train so I'll be a bit biased this time around XD It's not like Makhacev didn't have BJJ opposition before, recent being Thiago Moises, but, I kinda wanna think Dariush can bring something a bit more competitive to the table. Fuck, I'm hyped.

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 27, 2021, 05:08:44 PM

News from UFC is that Beneil Dariush will fight Islam Makhachev as main event of UFC Fight Night on February 26, 2022!
This interesting fight is between number 3 and number 4 ranked fighter, so it's possible that we could see Justin Gaethje against winner of Charles Oliveira vs Dustin Poirier.

An Islam Makhachev fight is what I am waiting for, and against another wrestler, I think this could be an interesting match-up, and Beneil Dariush is a Black belt of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai against a Combat Sambo, Dagestan fighter, this is going to be interesting, I am really going with Islam Makhachev because I really love the style of Combat Sambo and Chain Wrestling we could really see if what type of Wrestling is more convenient inside the octagon.

And with Charles Oliveira that recently defeated Tony Ferguson and Michael Chandler, against Dustin Poirier, is a good fight a fight that is anticipated by many, my thought I would surely look forward In the performance of Oliveira, if he can surely make a technical win against Dustin Poirier, that is also a fighter that will surely make adjustments, with fighters that he faces,

I really don't like the event right now and it will start December 5 so it is surely a long break for UFC, but I am more anticipating the future fights and what I am anticipating right now was the Cyril Gane VS Francis Ngannou fight, The UFC 270 that could be on January 23, 2022.

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 27, 2021, 05:08:44 PM

News from UFC is that Beneil Dariush will fight Islam Makhachev as main event of UFC Fight Night on February 26, 2022!
This interesting fight is between number 3 and number 4 ranked fighter, so it's possible that we could see Justin Gaethje against winner of Charles Oliveira vs Dustin Poirier.

The fight most of us really wanted, but also didn't want XD I just am not keen on seeing any of them loose XD However, I am a big Dariush fan and I really want to see him bring out the best tools and see him tested. I mean, as far as personal preferences, this is a title fight for me. The winner of this goes for the title, that's it.

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News from UFC is that Beneil Dariush will fight Islam Makhachev as main event of UFC Fight Night on February 26, 2022!
This interesting fight is between number 3 and number 4 ranked fighter, so it's possible that we could see Justin Gaethje against winner of Charles Oliveira vs Dustin Poirier.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 27, 2021, 06:58:53 AM

Quote from: TheNineClub on November 27, 2021, 05:15:36 AM

Do people still want to see him win or lose?

People just want to see him. He is like a second part of a movie, sequel, another episode of tv series Cheesy

They just want to know what kind of weird stuff he would do next. He is like an entertainment. Like visiting zoo. We just go there to see animals, but not to see how they hunt, fight for food and etc.

Personally, I am more interested to see him doing trash talk, act crazy during conference, make posts in twitter or instagram, after fight words. Then seeing him fighting, tactics, training.

I like all of your references, pertaining to Conor McGregor, I am on the I don't care side, he now has a screw loose and doesn't really know what to do anymore, it seems that Machine Gun Kelly and Francesco Facchinetti incident was more of a publicity stunt, but a mental disorder, I think he should look for a psychologist to be examined, or a friend to talk to, my opinion Conor McGregor might have a mental problem, maybe it worsen due to the loss he had with Dustin Poirier, he really doesn't want to accept that he truly lost to him, right now he is rank 9 in the lightweight division, he surely needs a fight that can get him back on track.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on November 27, 2021, 05:15:36 AM

Do people still want to see him win or lose?

People just want to see him. He is like a second part of a movie, sequel, another episode of tv series Cheesy

They just want to know what kind of weird stuff he would do next. He is like an entertainment. Like visiting zoo. We just go there to see animals, but not to see how they hunt, fight for food and etc.

Personally, I am more interested to see him doing trash talk, act crazy during conference, make posts in twitter or instagram, after fight words. Then seeing him fighting, tactics, training.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 26, 2021, 11:13:10 PM

The skeptical me thinks that Michael Chandler is using Cowboy Cerrone’s strategy to make Conor choose him not only as the next opponent, but also the next to receive a healthy payment from uncle Dana hehehe.

It also appears that Chandler wants to retire after the clobbering he received from Justin Gaethje hehehe. He might he pondering for himself that he should be paid well for this because he will never be champion in the UFC.

UFC lightweight contender Michael Chandler has branded those who discredit former two-division champion Conor McGregor‘s abilities as a “casual” or a “hater.”

Source https://www.mmanews.com/2021/11/chandler-anyone-who-discredits-mcgregor-is-a-casual/

I wouldn't blame him, but for the life of me, I can't see why Conor is STILL the guy to call out. Is he really putting up such big viewing numbers? Do people still want to see him win or lose? I was under the impression people just didn't care anymore, and that was probably the worst place you want to be in. I don't know, I might be looking at this the wrong way, but I was a person who cared and I just don't care anymore, so I'm guessing most people are like that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 26, 2021, 07:58:33 AM

^ I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy. I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170. Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.

But yeah.. Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract. Grin

That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit: How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal? Just curious...

If Burns would sign up a contract then that would be a good showcase for Khamzat Chimaev to really show what he can do because if he can not take on Gilbert Burn that lost to Kamaru Usman then what is the purpose of letting him fight for a title match, for me Colby Covington will be a pushover not really underestimating Covington but for me, I don't see him having a shot of dominating Khamzat Chimaev inside the octagon, whether it may be a stand-up or ground fight.

Quote from: Welsh on November 26, 2021, 03:13:26 PM

Don't get me wrong, I think he could potentially be something special. He's already pretty damn good, but I'm just not eager to jump the gun especially when he hasn't been tested in every way yet, especially when it comes to title talks. Considering Usman is also a pretty damn good wrestler, but also has the advantage of very good stand up.

I might be wrong, and I'll be happily wrong if it means the division comes a little more competitive, I'm all for that. I've just been sold on hype before, and it I've always got bitten in the arse, especially when it comes to betting.

Well, I really understand where you are getting this, and yes in gambling your picks in some mere hype over Khamzat Chimaev, is surely a gamble, and I truly respect what is your opinion,

But I have seen something from Chimaev not only because of the style of his fighting pretty much similar with Khabib Nurmagomedov, Islam Makachev, Magomed Ankalaev, and (Flyweight Khabib) Muhammad Mokaev. because all that fighters I think may bring potential to each division, but Khamzat Chimaev in my opinion has raw power, he might struggle with Gilbert Burns but I think he will likely shove this hurdle and win,

Anyway, pretty many fighters that specialize in Combat Sambo or Dagestan Wrestling could be a really tough opponent, that is why each of them tries to be indifferent division, just my thought.

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The skeptical me thinks that Michael Chandler is using Cowboy Cerrone’s strategy to make Conor choose him not only as the next opponent, but also the next to receive a healthy payment from uncle Dana hehehe.

It also appears that Chandler wants to retire after the clobbering he received from Justin Gaethje hehehe. He might he pondering for himself that he should be paid well for this because he will never be champion in the UFC.

UFC lightweight contender Michael Chandler has branded those who discredit former two-division champion Conor McGregor‘s abilities as a “casual” or a “hater.”

Source https://www.mmanews.com/2021/11/chandler-anyone-who-discredits-mcgregor-is-a-casual/

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 26, 2021, 07:58:33 AM

^ I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy. I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170. Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.

But yeah.. Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract. Grin

That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit: How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal? Just curious...

Don't get me wrong, I think he could potentially be something special. He's already pretty damn good, but I'm just not eager to jump the gun especially when he hasn't been tested in every way yet, especially when it comes to title talks. Considering Usman is also a pretty damn good wrestler, but also has the advantage of very good stand up.

I might be wrong, and I'll be happily wrong if it means the division comes a little more competitive, I'm all for that. I've just been sold on hype before, and it I've always got bitten in the arse, especially when it comes to betting.

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Quote from: Welsh on November 25, 2021, 05:15:54 PM

Quote from: TheNineClub on November 25, 2021, 05:12:06 PM

About Ryan Hall, he was exposed in his last fight, but that alone would not be an issue. The thing is he is being figured out. I am a BJJ guy myself, and always rooted for Hall, but the infrequency of his fighting led him to get kinda left behind as fighters moved on in their styles, knowledge, and technics. Who knows, maybe he can pull something out of his ass for a couple of more fights and get a nice streak going.

Yeah, if you can avoid the roll, and get out of the leg grab, you basically can unleash heavy fists on him without much coming back your way. Ryan Hall, is probably one of the only fighters I enjoy watching that is one dimensional. I don't mean he only knows the leg lock, as he's clearly a wizard on the ground hence the nickname, but he relies on his BJJ heavily, probably more than anyone else in the UFC.

I've been critical of other fighters that rely on one approach for example, Brady recently. However, I can't help but like Ryan Hall. I do think his previous fight was much harder than the one coming up though, so I'm hopeful on his chances despite his obvious short comings.

I guess I'm a fan just because I appreciate his skill on the mat, and I've also followed some of his courses that he does at his academy. Plus, is there anything more iconic than his confused looking shrug after he wins?

Oh definitely, still a fan, and I love his teaching style. I think I myself started rapidly blinking like him after I watched some of his instructionals XD And his ground game at the time was one of the best. That being said, there is less and less room for specialists in MMA, especially at this level. Fighters have been transitioning to a more versatile approach that does everything really good, but nothing exceptionally well. And Hall is, in some aspects, in a situation where leg lockers were 5 years ago when not many people were doing that, but, now people are catching on and a slight shift is occurring. Hall Isn't in Tristar anymore, right? Under Zahabi he really dialed in some of his striking.

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^ I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy. I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170. Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.

But yeah.. Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract. Grin

That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit: How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal? Just curious...

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Quote from: Welsh on November 25, 2021, 07:17:22 PM

I'm going to sound like an hypocrite here due to liking Ryan Hall, despite not being a very well rounded fighter in terms of MMA, but when it comes to Khamzat Chimaev we haven't seen enough of his other skills other than his wrestling, and if he has title aspirations, I don't think he can soley rely on his wrestling. I know I'm somewhat ignoring that for Ryan Hall above, but I don't expect Ryan Hall to ever challenge for anything, because he's simply not go enough as a overall fighter, but his BJJ on the mat is nothing short of incredible at times.

I'm not saying Chimaev isn't a promising fighter, because he clearly is, but I'm holding off getting too excited about him until I actually see him in a competitive fight, and one which is is forced to use alternative skills. Khabib despite being a great wrestler didn't rely on it completely, for example in the Justin Gaethje fight, and Mcgregor fight he actually did very well in the stand up against both guys. Yeah, he finished the fight via submissions, but he hurt both of them on the feet. More so Connor though.

Well, you can be right, and I may be wrong because I really think there is no fighter in UFC that can't be defeated even Khabib Nurmagomenodov almost losses to Gleison Tibau and after watching that fight I really did think that Tibau won, even Khabib's Father was really surprised that Khabib did Win,

For me, I think Chimaev had a decent striking but has the power to knock out an opponent if you look at his fight with Ikram Aliskerov because of that Sambo Background Chimaev is having a hard time taking down Aliskerov that is why he resolves with taking Aliskerov into exchanging punches and kicks, and he ended in an uppercut that out cold Aliskerov in an instant, in my opinion, I am not really interested in the event of the UFC right now and would care to watch a Khamzat Chimaev VS Gildert Burns or Colby Covington fight than the Rob Font VS Jose Aldo fight.

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@Welsh. It appears you and Colby Covington certainly have very similar opinions on Khamzat Chimaev hehe. However, I am skeptical of his opinion. I reckon this might be a business or career decision if Colby demands the UFC to organize a fight with him versus Khamzat. It would be Colby’s short cut and be given the right to challenge for the welterweight championship again if he is the winner.

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I'm going to sound like an hypocrite here due to liking Ryan Hall, despite not being a very well rounded fighter in terms of MMA, but when it comes to Khamzat Chimaev we haven't seen enough of his other skills other than his wrestling, and if he has title aspirations, I don't think he can soley rely on his wrestling. I know I'm somewhat ignoring that for Ryan Hall above, but I don't expect Ryan Hall to ever challenge for anything, because he's simply not go enough as a overall fighter, but his BJJ on the mat is nothing short of incredible at times.

I'm not saying Chimaev isn't a promising fighter, because he clearly is, but I'm holding off getting too excited about him until I actually see him in a competitive fight, and one which is is forced to use alternative skills. Khabib despite being a great wrestler didn't rely on it completely, for example in the Justin Gaethje fight, and Mcgregor fight he actually did very well in the stand up against both guys. Yeah, he finished the fight via submissions, but he hurt both of them on the feet. More so Connor though.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 25, 2021, 04:36:32 AM

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He started wrestling when he was 5 years old, and he is a three-time Swedish National champion in wrestling. So, I agree with you when you say "he has the best grappling". I mean, it's not entirely surprising, right?

Swedish National Championship does not necessarily be the toughest competition but Khamzat Chimaev is from Chechnya and he won bronze medal at the Russian National Championships at junior level which is a really high level competition, so his level his much higher and the way in which he recently dominated Jack Hermansson in a wrestling match is more than enough to create fear on anyone fighting at Welterweight and Middle Weight.

Quote from: TopTort777 on November 25, 2021, 07:02:39 AM

Usmas is way more experienced than Chimaev. I think he is better at striking. If we cross out wrestling, Usman has more advantages.

When you compare experience there is no doubt that Kamaru Usman is superior, but he does not have one punch knockout power but Khamzat Chimaev showed his one punch knockout power and he are yet to see his striking potential nor his grappling level because he finishes the fights faster.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on November 25, 2021, 05:12:06 PM

About Ryan Hall, he was exposed in his last fight, but that alone would not be an issue. The thing is he is being figured out. I am a BJJ guy myself, and always rooted for Hall, but the infrequency of his fighting led him to get kinda left behind as fighters moved on in their styles, knowledge, and technics. Who knows, maybe he can pull something out of his ass for a couple of more fights and get a nice streak going.

Yeah, if you can avoid the roll, and get out of the leg grab, you basically can unleash heavy fists on him without much coming back your way. Ryan Hall, is probably one of the only fighters I enjoy watching that is one dimensional. I don't mean he only knows the leg lock, as he's clearly a wizard on the ground hence the nickname, but he relies on his BJJ heavily, probably more than anyone else in the UFC.

I've been critical of other fighters that rely on one approach for example, Brady recently. However, I can't help but like Ryan Hall. I do think his previous fight was much harder than the one coming up though, so I'm hopeful on his chances despite his obvious short comings.

I guess I'm a fan just because I appreciate his skill on the mat, and I've also followed some of his courses that he does at his academy. Plus, is there anything more iconic than his confused looking shrug after he wins?

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