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Quote from: notblox1 on June 22, 2021, 01:55:36 PM

Quote from: TheNineClub on June 22, 2021, 06:41:12 AM

It will be interesting to see in what aspect did Volkov improve because Gane definitely has improved so this matchup actually made perfect sense. But at the end of the day, I still think Volkov is a major threat in the division and this could be his make or brake at this point.

I don't really understand this low odds on Ciryl Gane to win against Alexander Volkov, because they both have equally good skills, similar reach and striking, Gane has better takedown defense and Volkov have better takedown accuracy.
Maybe they are thinking that 8-0 score is giving some advantage to Gane, but I would never underestimate Volkov who is coming from two wins against Overeem and Walt Harris.

UFC 263 salaries got released, Israel Adesanya received $500,000 and Marvin Vettori $350,000, Nate Diaz $250,000, Leon Edwards $220,000, Brandon Moreno earned $200,000 and Deiveson Figueiredo $210,000.
This is really nothing compared to boxing and with earnings of Connor McGregor, but it is what it is.

Not the kind of salary to expect when you are famous. Adesanya only gets $500,000 despite being this popular champ. This is just what they get after getting whacked with nose and jaws broken. It's no wonder a group of UFC fighters is filing a class-action suit against UFC, I think this time they really will get what they need to have with a contract that isn't one sided.

This is published last month though but I guess it still relevant for this $5B lawsuit https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-05-08/as-ufc-pushes-may-mma-event-fighters-say-deals-are-getting-worse

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Quote from: notblox1 on June 24, 2021, 03:18:02 PM

Kevin Lee withdraws from UFC 264 fight against Sean Brady scheduled for July 10, after facing rib injury, and it is still unknown if UFC will find new opponent for Brady.

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It is a shame for a fight to go to continue when a sudden thing happen or that thing was a rib injury for Kevin Lee, but I think that there will be no replacement for Kevin Lee to fight Sean Brady on July 10, but instead, the team of Brady is willing to wait for Lee's recovery and to rebook the match for August,

I have seen the link for the Sportsbet Multi-Master Challenge and will surely participate in it, but I am still listing my picks and rethinking who really going to win.

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Kevin Lee withdraws from UFC 264 fight against Sean Brady scheduled for July 10, after facing rib injury, and it is still unknown if UFC will find new opponent for Brady.

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UFC Fight Night: Gane VS Volkov

Tanner Boser VS Ovince Saint Preux

Both of them Loss to Ilir Latifi and both came from losses Saint Preux to Jamahal Hill and Boser to Ilir Latifi and if any of them lose this I guess it is really out for him in the UFC, Tanner Boser can win this by a knockout if he could hit Ovince Saint Preux or OSP could win this by Submission, overall I guess I will go with Ovince Saint Preux this is a hard decision to make but looking at Tanner the Bulldozer Boser and OSP, Ovince Saint Preux has a lot of option to defeat Boser, So I will go with Ovince Saint Preux winning this, But looking at stake.com's odds Boser has 1.59 Preux with 2.55 giving Tanner Boser the odds.

Cyril Gane VS Alexander Volkov

Just like I said Gane is one of the well-rounded fighters in the UFC and if you look at his fight with Don'Tale Mayes he had beat him with a submission lock with a heel hook, Although Alexander Volkov could have the power with his striking I think Gane can be a little smarter and tricky in this fight and lands more hit than Volkov or make a clinch to distracts Volkov's momentum or even go with a submission Cyril Gane could be tested in fighting Alexander Volkov but I will go with Cyril Gane in this one, Stake.com's odds Gane with 1.67 and Volkov with 2.37 giving Cyril Gane the edge on the odds.

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What I dont like with Volkov, that he often keep his hand down and eat unnecessary punches with face (fight against Lewis is a good example). I know that it is hard to hold hands high all the fight, specially in heavyweights, but come on Alexander, as ref says - "protect yourself all the time" Cheesy

With Ganes explosives series that might not end well.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 24, 2021, 10:15:47 AM

Yup.. Volkov is the value side for sure. And I’m not really sure about Gane yet. It feels like he’s kinda over hyped. I mean 8 - 0 and he’s already top 6? He could need an L in there to grow as a fighter... Then again he could be another Khabib or another Jones. But I doubt it... Not with Ngannou waiting for him. Lol.

He's definitely a good fighter, and has a longer career than his record suggests. However, it is fairgly early on, and while I wouldn't say Volkov is one of the better fighters in the division he is one of those tough opponents which definitely gets me to sit up, and take notice if you beat him. Especially, if its a multi round dominating performance.

Yeah, Ngannou is a beast, and I can't see many getting past him for a while. I certainly can't see Gane beating him. Although, I'd like to think that fight isn't made for a long time. We need to see Gane fight in the division for a little bit longer. Like you said; 8 - 0 isn't exactly groundbreaking.

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Quote from: Welsh on June 24, 2021, 04:48:27 AM

Both Gane, and Volkov can throw. However, I think I might actually fancy a bet of this going the distance. The odds will be decent, and while they guys do have decent engines, I think it might be a cagey one. Volkov knows that Gane is probably the better technical striker, and while Volkov probably has the power advantage Gane is going to be aware of that, which might just result in a cagey affair.

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

Simply for the odds I'm going with Volkov. This is a close fight, and it could go either way. If the odds were closer I think I would still favour Volkov for as you say; the grit, and determination he has. Why do we think the odds are so in favour for Gane?

Yup.. Volkov is the value side for sure. And I’m not really sure about Gane yet. It feels like he’s kinda over hyped. I mean 8 - 0 and he’s already top 6? He could need an L in there to grow as a fighter... Then again he could be another Khabib or another Jones. But I doubt it... Not with Ngannou waiting for him. Lol.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on June 24, 2021, 05:26:43 AM

I think that Gane is durable enough to withstand Volkov hits, and in this division, there are only a few fighters, in my opinion, you can see with a diversion of strikes and kicks and also good with submission moves, and I think Cyril Gane can have a variety of things he can throw against Volkov.

I tend to try, and not factor in durability in these "big boy" divisions since it only takes one big punch from either fighter, and if it hits well enough it would be enough to knock out anyone in the division. Durability I think helps with volume of punches, but when it comes to haymakers, if most of the fighters in the division could land cleanly, it would be lights out for their opponent.

I can definitely see why Gane is the favourite, although I did expect the lines to be a little bit closer than they are.

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Quote from: electronicash on June 23, 2021, 03:21:03 AM

Gane can move a lot faster than Volkov and they're both heavyweight, the odd says it so 1.64 on stake. it's the experience that Volkov have if it does matter in the cage facing a more agile fighter that can submit and knock out an opponent.

That was it they are both Heavyweights Gane is a lot faster and can sure kick and I can see that he also got power with his punches and can TKO with his elbow and again can get the match to the floor and win a submission, a sure agile fighter in my opinion.

Quote from: TheNineClub on June 23, 2021, 06:10:17 AM

Yeah, and that would be a complete selling point in the lower divisions, but in the heavyweight (especially in HW) it only takes one graze of a punch or a kick to end the fight. And Volkov has actually a fair amount of TKO and KO finishes in his career so I wouldn't put it past him or the fight in general. Fuck, HW tends to be such a wild card.

I think that Gane is durable enough to withstand Volkov hits, and in this division, there are only a few fighters, in my opinion, you can see with a diversion of strikes and kicks and also good with submission moves, and I think Cyril Gane can have a variety of things he can throw against Volkov.

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Both Gane, and Volkov can throw. However, I think I might actually fancy a bet of this going the distance. The odds will be decent, and while they guys do have decent engines, I think it might be a cagey one. Volkov knows that Gane is probably the better technical striker, and while Volkov probably has the power advantage Gane is going to be aware of that, which might just result in a cagey affair.

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

Simply for the odds I'm going with Volkov. This is a close fight, and it could go either way. If the odds were closer I think I would still favour Volkov for as you say; the grit, and determination he has. Why do we think the odds are so in favour for Gane?

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It's always good to prepare for upcoming fight event with watching pre-fight interviews, and both Alexander Volkov and Ciryl Gane looked very happy and relaxed in their interviews.
Volkov really needs to improve his English speaking skills, or maybe use translator and just keep your native Russian language.
I usually check that before betting on someone and I glance at face-offs, and only then I am looking at stats with previous fight results.
Check all interviews from MMA junkie, and don't miss this main event, I expects fireworks

https://www.youtube.com/c/MMAjunkieVideo/videos

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Quote from: notblox1 on June 22, 2021, 01:55:36 PM

Quote from: TheNineClub on June 22, 2021, 06:41:12 AM

It will be interesting to see in what aspect did Volkov improve because Gane definitely has improved so this matchup actually made perfect sense. But at the end of the day, I still think Volkov is a major threat in the division and this could be his make or brake at this point.

I don't really understand this low odds on Ciryl Gane to win against Alexander Volkov, because they both have equally good skills, similar reach and striking, Gane has better takedown defense and Volkov have better takedown accuracy.
Maybe they are thinking that 8-0 score is giving some advantage to Gane, but I would never underestimate Volkov who is coming from two wins against Overeem and Walt Harris.

UFC 263 salaries got released, Israel Adesanya received $500,000 and Marvin Vettori $350,000, Nate Diaz $250,000, Leon Edwards $220,000, Brandon Moreno earned $200,000 and Deiveson Figueiredo $210,000.
This is really nothing compared to boxing and with earnings of Connor McGregor, but it is what it is.

No Ciryl Gane has a longer reach than Volkov : 205.7 cm against 203.2 cm for Alexander Volkov despite being smaller (1m93 vs 2m01 for Volkov), I also think being undefeated in 13 Muay Thai/K1 fights with 9 victories by KO and being undefeated in MMA with 8 wins whose only 2 were by decision, makes him a very promising competitor. I'll bet on him @1.64 on Stake with the KO double winnings promotion you've mentioned in the other thread.

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Quote from: electronicash on June 23, 2021, 03:21:03 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on June 23, 2021, 01:01:33 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

I know that I don't know much about Volkov and I haven't finish getting information about him, because I am also much busy with other things, and I only have my gut feeling in this match and I think that Cyril Gane could have a slight advantage over Volkov call me crazy but this is what I feel, and because I am still reviewing all fights of Volkov that is why I am saying this, and I am not yet on the fights that he has his peak potential and the Volkov that you all know,

But I still think Cyril Gane has a slight advantage over Alexander Volkov on agility, speed, and accuracy and good takedowns.

Gane can move a lot faster than Volkov and they're both heavyweight, the odd says it so 1.64 on stake. it's the experience that Volkov have if it does matter in the cage facing a more agile fighter that can submit and knock out an opponent.

Quote from: tokeweed on June 22, 2021, 07:12:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMbgcLL-7k

the sound of the kick slap made me expect a knockout but it's by submission. not the usual end when heavyweight fighters fight. looks like he can do all.

Yup.. He’s pretty good. But I feel like it’s going to be close with the stand up. Gane will throw more volume but Volkov has more power behind his strikes. So we’ll see if Gane goes with his wrestling.

And here’s the thing. Gane is just 8 - 0. Volkov has waaay more experience. Volkov at 2.50 is value.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on June 23, 2021, 01:01:33 AM

But I still think Cyril Gane has a slight advantage over Alexander Volkov on agility, speed, and accuracy and good takedowns.

Yeah, and that would be a complete selling point in the lower divisions, but in the heavyweight (especially in HW) it only takes one graze of a punch or a kick to end the fight. And Volkov has actually a fair amount of TKO and KO finishes in his career so I wouldn't put it past him or the fight in general. Fuck, HW tends to be such a wild card.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on June 23, 2021, 01:01:33 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

I know that I don't know much about Volkov and I haven't finish getting information about him, because I am also much busy with other things, and I only have my gut feeling in this match and I think that Cyril Gane could have a slight advantage over Volkov call me crazy but this is what I feel, and because I am still reviewing all fights of Volkov that is why I am saying this, and I am not yet on the fights that he has his peak potential and the Volkov that you all know,

But I still think Cyril Gane has a slight advantage over Alexander Volkov on agility, speed, and accuracy and good takedowns.

Gane can move a lot faster than Volkov and they're both heavyweight, the odd says it so 1.64 on stake. it's the experience that Volkov have if it does matter in the cage facing a more agile fighter that can submit and knock out an opponent.

Quote from: tokeweed on June 22, 2021, 07:12:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMbgcLL-7k

the sound of the kick slap made me expect a knockout but it's by submission. not the usual end when heavyweight fighters fight. looks like he can do all.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

I know that I don't know much about Volkov and I haven't finish getting information about him, because I am also much busy with other things, and I only have my gut feeling in this match and I think that Cyril Gane could have a slight advantage over Volkov call me crazy but this is what I feel, and because I am still reviewing all fights of Volkov that is why I am saying this, and I am not yet on the fights that he has his peak potential and the Volkov that you all know,

But I still think Cyril Gane has a slight advantage over Alexander Volkov on agility, speed, and accuracy and good takedowns.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on June 22, 2021, 06:41:12 AM

It will be interesting to see in what aspect did Volkov improve because Gane definitely has improved so this matchup actually made perfect sense. But at the end of the day, I still think Volkov is a major threat in the division and this could be his make or brake at this point.

I don't really understand this low odds on Ciryl Gane to win against Alexander Volkov, because they both have equally good skills, similar reach and striking, Gane has better takedown defense and Volkov have better takedown accuracy.
Maybe they are thinking that 8-0 score is giving some advantage to Gane, but I would never underestimate Volkov who is coming from two wins against Overeem and Walt Harris.

UFC 263 salaries got released, Israel Adesanya received $500,000 and Marvin Vettori $350,000, Nate Diaz $250,000, Leon Edwards $220,000, Brandon Moreno earned $200,000 and Deiveson Figueiredo $210,000.
This is really nothing compared to boxing and with earnings of Connor McGregor, but it is what it is.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on June 21, 2021, 07:08:38 AM

Ah, I remember the time when in every conversation I would mix up Volkov and Volkanovski XD It would confuse the shit outta me and everyone else. Volkov seems to me neither here nor there in the sense that he is missing just that edge to prevail on the top. A few years back I saw him as a champ...now, not sure.

Haha. If you put those two together it would be more funny.

Volkov does not look as a champ. He is simply big and tall. He reminds me of a Stefan Struve (Volkov is just 10cm lower). Stefan Struve 2.0
He was also a heavyweight. And like Volkov, never was a champ and never had a title shot. Same will be with Volkov. Volkov is, I don't know to say it right, just a regular guy, heavyweight. Average. UFC management will never make him a champ. They cant sell him for good money. That is Gane will win, face Ngannou and will fly away into KO Cheesy

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^ I think Volkov has reached or almost reached his ceiling. Let’s see if Gane’s improvement is enough to beat Volkov. My lean on Volkov is more about the value of his line being plus money at 2.50. I think it should be closer.

Quote from: notblox1 on June 21, 2021, 04:46:33 PM

Giga Chikadze will probably replace Max Holloway who canceled his fight against Yair Rodriguez scheduled for July 17 event at the UFC Apex in Las Vegas.

Interesting turn of events in Light-Heavyweight category is that Jan Blachowicz thinks that Jiri Prochazka should first fight against Aleksandar Rakic before getting a title shot, and I am very interested to see this fight.
Here is his full interview with James Lynch published few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Y3Myr7Xwg&t=0s

Oooo interesting. But kinda a huge step up in competition for Chikadze. We’ll see if he’s up to it. If it’s a close 5 rounder then you know Chikadze should be top 5.

And totally agree with Blachowicz for Prochazka’s own good. Proch get hits a lot. He should work on that our he gets slept by Blachowicz.

Edit: Some vids.. This free vid of Gane doesn’t really show what he is currently as a fighter. Mayes is somewhat of a UFC noob on this vid.. They both were. I think you guys should watch the replays at MMA Core for his match ups vs JDS and Roz if they still have them

UFC Free Fight: Volkov vs Overeem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VDUCWbhr0

UFC Free Fight: Gane vs Mayes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMbgcLL-7k

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM

^ I’m not entirely convinced with Gane yet and Volkov is a slight step up in competition but Volkov is the underdog at 2.50? Looks good to me.. I think the line should be closer imho. And sure the technical skill advantage goes to Gane but Volkov has the grit.

It will be interesting to see in what aspect did Volkov improve because Gane definitely has improved so this matchup actually made perfect sense. But at the end of the day, I still think Volkov is a major threat in the division and this could be his make or brake at this point.

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