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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 09, 2021, 02:44:49 PM

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I was more interested in your opinion whether mma should be paid more or as boxer, or not? Jon Jones is trying to get a bigger check for his fight against Ngannou. Ngannou is complaining that youtuber has earned 20m$ for 8 rounds of sparring with Floyd. Costa is saying that he is a big star, people want to see him fight so he deserves a bigger cheque, and he is not going to fight if he is not getting paid much more.

Ok, so first and foremost, Costa is fucking delusional. Outside MMA fans most people think it's just a brand of coffee. Eyeballs on the screen and asses on the seat are what gets you paid. Should there be an increase in fighter's pay in general? Yes. Should more prominent fighters like JJ, Conor, Khabib get more. Yes, but they bring something to the table in exchange. Ngannou is not there yet. Piotr Yan is not there yet. Jan Blachowitz is not there yet.

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Finally get to have a gather around this weekend to watch the UFC. I can't wait, a few beers, and Israel Adesanya who is currently my favorite fighter is coming back after his first loss, which I'm expecting him to be quite hungry. The great thing is, hes chosen Vettori who has a very rounded ability, and especially is good at wrestling, which Adesanya was caught out with against Jan. I'll put my predictions up later on, but what a card we have this weekend even outside of the main event!

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Quote from: TheNineClub on June 09, 2021, 05:00:08 AM

Vettori seems like he could be a real threat, however, I think he has not been tested all that much. It seems like he is just on the brink of making it or breaking it. Even so much that this seems a bit too early, that he would benefit from one more tune-up fight...but it is what it is.

Well, let's just wait if what may happen on the octagon I got a gist that Adesanya does know what he may do with Vettori because he had experience in fighting his, well the both of them does have experience in fighting each other, but in my opinion, Adesanya still can not underestimate Vettori I am seeing a new version of Marvin Vettori but even though that version is not enough it could not hurt if Israel Adesanya would have caution with their upcoming fight,

Marvin Vettori could have gained an increase with his skills and techniques but so is Israel Adesanya, I really like to see this clash and I am really getting excited right now.

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I am seriously thinking of throwing few satoshis on Nate Diaz to win against Leon Edwards just for fun and I could get more than five time return of my money.
We know that Edwards has much better record and he has a good takedown defense, but Nate Diaz had a long time to prepare for his fight, he has two inch reach advantage and this could be the fight that could bring him back in UFC in a big style.
Odds on Edwards are crazy low and I would never bet on him in this fight, but one more interesting bet would be for fight to go to distance with all 3 rounds, because both of them are not big finishers.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 09, 2021, 09:54:23 AM

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I was more interested in your opinion whether mma should be paid more or as boxer, or not? Jon Jones is trying to get a bigger check for his fight against Ngannou. Ngannou is complaining that youtuber has earned 20m$ for 8 rounds of sparring with Floyd. Costa is saying that he is a big star, people want to see him fight so he deserves a bigger cheque, and he is not going to fight if he is not getting paid much more.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 09, 2021, 09:54:23 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on June 09, 2021, 09:12:39 AM

I've noticed that after Floyd Mayweather - Logan Paul fight, many UFC fighters started to discuss a lot about Pauls 20m bucks. They complain that the guy with 0-1 record earned more than they during their career. I understand if these words comes from top ufc fighters, but fighters that are lower than top5-10 - I think they should train more than talk.

There was always big money in boxing. Boxing is an old sport. If I'm not mistaken even in ancient Rome people did boxing. UFC is still young and dont such rich history as boxing. That is why I think it is reasonable that boxers earn more than MMA fighters. What do you think?

^ Once you start really getting into MMA, boxing would be like.. boring. I don’t care how much those guys are paid but what I know is if you’re not a top guy in boxing you’re paid less than a regular mid tier UFC fighter. At least that’s what I heard. But go look it up.

And how was the Mayweather fight? Any good? Cos good matches is all that matters to me. And I see way less of that in boxing. I’d def watch Spence vs Pacquiao tho.

But I think the issue here is not the mid tier fighters but the top fighters and champions screaming not getting paid enough. Sometimes you do hear the mid tears complaining but they mostly just keep quiet so as not to ruin their chances of getting a title shot. So it's mostly top tier mma pay vs top tier boxing pay.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 09, 2021, 09:12:39 AM

I've noticed that after Floyd Mayweather - Logan Paul fight, many UFC fighters started to discuss a lot about Pauls 20m bucks. They complain that the guy with 0-1 record earned more than they during their career. I understand if these words comes from top ufc fighters, but fighters that are lower than top5-10 - I think they should train more than talk.

There was always big money in boxing. Boxing is an old sport. If I'm not mistaken even in ancient Rome people did boxing. UFC is still young and dont such rich history as boxing. That is why I think it is reasonable that boxers earn more than MMA fighters. What do you think?

^ Once you start really getting into MMA, boxing would be like.. boring. I don’t care how much those guys are paid but what I know is if you’re not a top guy in boxing you’re paid less than a regular mid tier UFC fighter. At least that’s what I heard. But go look it up.

And how was the Mayweather fight? Any good? Cos good matches is all that matters to me. And I see way less of that in boxing. I’d def watch Spence vs Pacquiao tho.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 09, 2021, 09:12:39 AM

I've noticed that after Floyd Mayweather - Logan Paul fight, many UFC fighters started to discuss a lot about Pauls 20m bucks. They complain that the guy with 0-1 record earned more than they during their career. I understand if these words comes from top ufc fighters, but fighters that are lower than top5-10 - I think they should train more than talk.

There was always big money in boxing. Boxing is an old sport. If I'm not mistaken even in ancient Rome people did boxing. UFC is still young and dont such rich history as boxing. That is why I think it is reasonable that boxers earn more than MMA fighters. What do you think?

I am not sure about ancient Rome, I just remember it being characterized as a back alley betting attraction sometimes in the 1800s. However, wrestling is also an ancient sport yet there is no money in it XD But you are correct, boxing has been around much more and was at a time and a place where there was a different type of money going around and that formed a certain backbone to it (dirty money, mafia) and that actually helped it to propel it to where it is today.

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I've noticed that after Floyd Mayweather - Logan Paul fight, many UFC fighters started to discuss a lot about Pauls 20m bucks. They complain that the guy with 0-1 record earned more than they during their career. I understand if these words comes from top ufc fighters, but fighters that are lower than top5-10 - I think they should train more than talk.

There was always big money in boxing. Boxing is an old sport. If I'm not mistaken even in ancient Rome people did boxing. UFC is still young and dont such rich history as boxing. That is why I think it is reasonable that boxers earn more than MMA fighters. What do you think?

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on June 08, 2021, 11:09:40 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on June 07, 2021, 04:01:10 PM

I am very excited to watch upcoming UFC 263 with fantastic main and co-main events, but all fights look great and I just hope everyone will make it without cancelation.
My early bets will go to Adesanya to win against Vettori and there are some great betting promotions, but similar odds for win have Deiveson Figueiredo to win against Brandon Moreno.
What to say about Nate Diaz finally coming back to octagon after long 2019 break and he is total underdog in fight against Leon Edwards.
I am not sure if there is going to be crowd but event is going to take place in Glendale, Arizona so I am hoping for that.

Whoa! there I'm getting excited too, you could surely have a clean bet with Israel Adesanya winning against Vettori, because of their recent fight and Adesanya have won their first clash, Don't get me wrong I am also in favor for Israel Adesanya here but the Marvin Vettori from their earlier match has long change that is why a rematch is underway, I could say that Marvin Vettori will give Israel Adesanya a good fight but for me Adesanya will still win this, but I will look further on Vettori to have more insight,

Vettori seems like he could be a real threat, however, I think he has not been tested all that much. It seems like he is just on the brink of making it or breaking it. Even so much that this seems a bit too early, that he would benefit from one more tune-up fight...but it is what it is.

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Quote from: notblox1 on June 07, 2021, 04:01:10 PM

I am very excited to watch upcoming UFC 263 with fantastic main and co-main events, but all fights look great and I just hope everyone will make it without cancelation.
My early bets will go to Adesanya to win against Vettori and there are some great betting promotions, but similar odds for win have Deiveson Figueiredo to win against Brandon Moreno.
What to say about Nate Diaz finally coming back to octagon after long 2019 break and he is total underdog in fight against Leon Edwards.
I am not sure if there is going to be crowd but event is going to take place in Glendale, Arizona so I am hoping for that.

Whoa! there I'm getting excited too, you could surely have a clean bet with Israel Adesanya winning against Vettori, because of their recent fight and Adesanya have won their first clash, Don't get me wrong I am also in favor for Israel Adesanya here but the Marvin Vettori from their earlier match has long change that is why a rematch is underway, I could say that Marvin Vettori will give Israel Adesanya a good fight but for me Adesanya will still win this, but I will look further on Vettori to have more insight,

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kru8eVap3WM embeded episode 2 out now. I have to say I kinda fell off the series as it always seemed the same thing regurgitated with different fighters. Even the countdown is looking the same for some time. They should switch it up a bit.

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Quote from: electronicash on June 08, 2021, 08:17:49 AM

vettori could have snatch the win if he had just did his best when he had adesanya on the ground in the 3rd round. he does have good submission record but didnt use the skills that time.

i'm hoping the rematch will have a knockout. its something that will leave no doubt unlike the uni decision. i say adesanya by ko.

That’s always in the realm of possbility esp if matched up vs Adesanya.. But dunno, it’s just a small possbility imho. And take note that Vettori hasn’t been finished via sub or KO/TKO in his pro MMA career.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/50533-marvin-vettori

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 07, 2021, 02:17:07 AM

Reminder: Adesanya - Vettori first fight was one of the toughest fight for Israel. Interesting to see how he is prepared right now. Nate Diaz is back after 2 year holiday

Israel Adesanya is coming into this fight after his first loss in MMA

Hope Adesanya and Vettori made conclusions from Adesanya's last fight and their previous fight Cheesy

Adesanya is a top striker, but his fight against Blachowicz showed how bad his wrestling really is. Yes, Blachowicz weight more that night, but Adesanya did not counter any double leg or wrestling attack. And while on the ground, Adesanya was simply dominated. Vettori is not a wrestler, but half of his wins are by submission. Adesanya must be careful!

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 08, 2021, 07:49:30 AM

Ey guys.. Dropping some vids to entertain and get yourselves pumped for the event.

I’ll be keeping a close eye on Movsar Evloev vs Hakeem Dawodu. Could be another potential fight of the night if not for the main and co main events.

UFC 263: Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPKyljRDUg

UFC 263: Inside the Octagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvzFk19TXXw

UFC Free Fight: Adesanya vs Vettori 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2hhysnRDZM

UFC 263: Embedded Ep. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwAK6Bu4OI

vettori could have snatch the win if he had just did his best when he had adesanya on the ground in the 3rd round. he does have good submission record but didnt use the skills that time.

i'm hoping the rematch will have a knockout. its something that will leave no doubt unlike the uni decision. i say adesanya by ko.

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Ey guys.. Dropping some vids to entertain and get yourselves pumped for the event.

I’ll be keeping a close eye on Movsar Evloev vs Hakeem Dawodu. Could be another potential fight of the night if not for the main and co main events.

UFC 263: Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPKyljRDUg

UFC 263: Inside the Octagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvzFk19TXXw

UFC Free Fight: Adesanya vs Vettori 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2hhysnRDZM

UFC 263: Embedded Ep. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwAK6Bu4OI

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 07, 2021, 02:17:07 AM

Reminder: Adesanya - Vettori first fight was one of the toughest fight for Israel. Interesting to see how he is prepared right now. Nate Diaz is back after 2 year holiday

Israel Adesanya is coming into this fight after his first loss in MMA, in the past he has returned well after a loss in kickboxing but we are yet to see how he is going to overcome that and Marvin Vettori was his toughest fight to date and Marvin Vettori will be prepared for his best version as his last few fights were incredible, but what i noticed is that his face changed a lot and i am not sure whether it is a plastic surgery mishap, did anyone notice that or my eyes are playing games Undecided

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Leon Edwards will win against Nate Diaz and hopefully he will get a title shot after that as he really deserves the title shot.

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I am very excited to watch upcoming UFC 263 with fantastic main and co-main events, but all fights look great and I just hope everyone will make it without cancelation.
My early bets will go to Adesanya to win against Vettori and there are some great betting promotions, but similar odds for win have Deiveson Figueiredo to win against Brandon Moreno.
What to say about Nate Diaz finally coming back to octagon after long 2019 break and he is total underdog in fight against Leon Edwards.
I am not sure if there is going to be crowd but event is going to take place in Glendale, Arizona so I am hoping for that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 07, 2021, 09:51:55 AM

^ The sad thing is I did. Lmao. And the thing with Roz is he’s mostly low volume. I thought Sakai would do a better job staying away at distance and out volume Roz. But he didn’t. Lol.

I also think Sakai would do the same but I think the tenacity of Rozenstruik has shaken him that he can not do something like that, Jairzinho Rozenstruik was always on the center waiting for Augustus Sakai, Rozenstruik has held his ground while Sakai is the one that is circling outside well it doesn't matter there are some other changes,

Well, UFC 263 is up, and again I surely support Israel Adesanya here, while Marvin Vetorri surely had lost to Adesanya in 2018 is he a new version of him back in 2018 when they fought or history will repeat itself, well whatever my deep research have got me I will still support Israel Adesanya so I will surely bet for him.

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^ The sad thing is I did. Lmao. And the thing with Roz is he’s mostly low volume. I thought Sakai would do a better job staying away at distance and out volume Roz. But he didn’t. Lol.

Quote from: TopTort777 on June 07, 2021, 02:17:07 AM

UFC 263

Date: June 12, 2021
Main Card: SUN, JUN 13 / 5:00 AM EEST
Prelims: SUN, JUN 13 / 5:00 AM EEST
Early Prelims: SUN, JUN 13 / 1:00 AM EEST

Venue: Glendale, Arizona, United States

Main card (ESPN)
Middleweight: Israel Adesanya (c) vs. Marvin Vettori
Flyweight: Deiveson Figueiredo (c) vs. Brandon Moreno
Welterweight: Leon Edwards vs. Nate Diaz
Welterweight: Demian Maia vs. Belal Muhammad
Light Heavyweight: Paul Craig vs. Jamahal Hill

Preliminary card (ESPN+)
Lightweight: Drew Dober vs. Brad Riddell
Light Heavyweight: Eryk Anders vs. Darren Stewart
Women's Flyweight: Lauren Murphy vs. Joanne Calderwood
Featherweight: Movsar Evloev vs Hakeem Dawodu

Early preliminary card (ESPN+ / UFC Fight Pass)
Women's Bantamweight: Pannie Kianzad vs. Alexis Davis
Lightweight: Frank Camacho vs. Matt Frevola
Featherweight: Chase Hooper vs. Steven Peterson
Lightweight: Fares Ziam vs. Luigi Vendramini
Heavyweight: Carlos Felipe vs. Jake Collier

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_263

First 3 fights in main card are worth watching !
Reminder: Adesanya - Vettori first fight was one of the toughest fight for Israel. Interesting to see how he is prepared right now. Nate Diaz is back after 2 year holiday

^ Yup. I think the line for Vettori def has value cos he also showed a lot of improvement since their first match. It should be closer imho.

At first glance Lauren Murphy and Dawodu seem to be live dogs here.

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