Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real? - page 2. (Read 16302 times)

I'm done. You erased a legitimate answer in your other thread about "darkcoin / scam" and it's obvious you seek not the truth. Rather you want to portray a single-sided version of dirt aimed at x11, darkcoin etc. So be it - do what you have to.

incorrect... you said some things of interest which i noted. However at the end you put yourself you could not say if it was superior in anyway over QRK at all.

I am not skipping i want to know simply that it is the best algo for coins to move to right now. If it is not better than QRK then how can it be simply the best one to jump to.

The agenda the agenda.............why keep mentioning this....

I'm going to make it very simple, forget scryptN, forget scrypt jane, myriad and heavy. It gets to confusing for you to compare all at once.

Let's start with the most similar one then move on from there.

Is it better in anyway at all than QRK. No point just saying it has more algos... some say it is causes more collisions, some are saying more algos = more chance of one failing.

I just want a clear cut answer backed by technicals....

Is x11 better than qrk = Yes or NO.

Next we move to other comparisions. Heavy coin, myriad, scyptN etc.

really you know what if someone created a table .... and put the pros and cons of each against each other.... that could end this discussion pretty soon.  I guess there would have to be some agreement on the table but it should not be too hard since then we will be comparing actual figures and facts not opinions and agendas.

Just wanted to say thanks for asking some of the hard hitting questions we've all been wondering. I didn't read the 11 previous pages of probably mostly troll info, so thank you for also keeping the OP updated with the cliff notes hehe! Good thinking.

Now for what I've found so far in a couple months of throwing every algo at my gpus yet. I'm not doing scientific lab experiments here, just sharing what I've found, but I have been searching after some of these answers myself lately. So, don't take my findings as fact, just my own results so far with inconsistent testing.

I find Scrypt and Scrypt-N to generate the most heat, crashes, noise, and other general issues of unpleasant natures. It would appear to use much more electricity. I do know that this is part of the design of Scrypt, as it was intended to be intensive as an answer to early asic takeover of SHA. I'm about to the point of being sick and tired of the heat, noise, and energy of all things Scrypt.

So far I'm seeing X11 to be at least initially more gentle on the GPU. It would appear to use less electricity, clearly makes less heat, and thus less noisy. (I have sensitive ears so this matters to me, but doesn't matter to some.) I can't comment on it's security. I have better things to do than hack coin chains or wallets. I can say that X11 seems to be much more complicated to get GPU's tuned for, but hey sometimes that's part of the fun! Several friends have reported that finding as well.

As of yet, I am still unsure whether I'm pushing my cards to the limit with X11, and I'm not entirely sure I care enough about any of the X11 coins to find the limits.

As for "asic resistant", well I think we're past that as a community. This is just a myth that the inexperienced "coin devs" came up with. Being on computers for over 30 years, I can tell you there is no such thing. There is no asic for it yet, and that's about it. I or anyone else with enough time or money could make an asic for anything. I could make an asic that orders you a pizza, flushes your toilet, emails your ex'es, and hashes X11, if anyone would like to pay me enough money to design it

One thing I would like to see discussed is actual profit. I do like the car analogy, but these Scrypt-N guys are constantly blowing up their racecars, and chasing coins that aren't really breaking the bank either thus far. For those who really like X11, and I'm not so much into it, we could benefit from seeing 24-hour profit comparisons versus the hotter / more electricity consuming algos.

If you can turn a similar profit at the end of the day with a cooler and more efficient algo, then that is a win for miners. For example, HVC ( Heavy algo ) is cool and quiet on GPU's and it's been almost as profitable for me personally in testing. But that's just one coin in one example and I'm not saying it's repeatable. I'm saying it is something we as a community should think about: efficient and hopefully safe algos that we can all still make money on and use as valid currency.

Just some thoughts, thanks for the brainstorming

Obvious troll is obvious...

He doesn't want to be bothered with facts, they derail his agenda thread.

When I wrote an entire list, you skipped it, went to end and said "what? better than quark? Ohhh nooooo" and that was the end of it.

So, I'll just post a link this time: http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/X11

Don't derail the thread further .... i didn't see you moaning to flipme when he admits to sick fantasies about children. That is sick yet i see no outrage from others.

However, as soon as someone swears or says something taboo on the opposing side of the arguement people get all squeamish..  

Swearing is swearing sickness is sickness. You can't bend the rules for some and not others.

Let's get back to the x11 merits above all other algos.........as yet nothing still.

Really if you don't have any benefits to list at all there is no point saying anything is there? I mean we want to hear some benefits not about your objections to some people swearing and not others.

At times people get mad and swear... sure if you don't like it you don't like it but still can't have separate rules on here.

Anyway we're past this now so just get back to x11 .....the thread is growing pages long and still we await to hear why x11 is marketed as the best algo out there and we should all swap to it.

As yet nothing of note about it comes up.

 

Quoting stuff to reply to your BS accusations = harassing. Lol?

gimme a break i have had 1000 vile insulting attacks on me in here this last month alone..
many of these guys hunt me and harass and troll me and never even make any effort to stay on topic in the slightest
they think this is a free for all to quote and and attack spoetnik web site.. so gimme a break.
i think i handle things rather well considering the monolithic amount of abuse i am subjected to here 24/7
YOU TRY BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT !

i also don't swear much but i get picked apart here by rabid vultures with anything i say non stop !
and i have seen a million people swear so if it's such a problem then why is sooo many here doing it besides me ?

maybe you guys should grow up and fuck off and get off my god damn back and quit
quoting me and harrasing the hell out of me ? seriously do i hunt and stalk and harass any of you people ?
grow the hell up. and quit worrying about quoting me and running your damn mouth.. stick to the topic or fuck off .
I don't care what you all think of me i care about what you think about what i said in regards to the topic at hand...

and that guy has been a huge massive mouthy jerk to me a 100 times before on other topics in case you guys didn't notice..
want me to go find them and show you all ? ..he's a mouthy scam defender.

edit:
and i already proved my point AlexGR look at previous pages and quit lying.
want screenshots ?

That's all he can do. He has no point as anyone can download an x11 cpu miner and confirm on their own that it uses 100% cpu with the proper -t setting (threads)... eg -t 8 for 8 threads, -t 2 for 2. But even if, hypothetically, it took 50% cpu, one would simply load two instances and be at 100%.

then step up smart ass..
posting a fucking meme picture does not dispel FUD.. facts do, or is that out of your realm of comprehension smart guy ?
go back to defending Doge coin kids.. and remember I told you so
you all were blowing the coin cloner on that one then switched over to Dark coin now lol
like i said you would and i predicted it to the day.

Dude, please spare us of this kind of language. Make your points without resorting to it.

i can prove any claim i have ever made easily so no your the one bullshitting..
and your incessant defending of scam coins on every topic shows your motivations.
rather than being a snotty little cunt you could have simply asked me to prove what i said..

LOL not at all.... every one screams lets go x11 but nobody provides answer of why ?  here have a go yourself. I am asking is x11 marketing bullshit or does it have advantages over what we had....here answer these and let me know i am still very interested

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?


are these question FUD?

sure get discussing.... discuss all you like the pros and cons of x11 and weight them against qrk, scryptn, myriads method, heavycoin


dispell my fud of asking for advantages..... start with QRK tell me all about why we should move to x11 over the QRK algo...  

I don't need to provide anything i am asking a question. If you are telling me asking a question is FUD then that is a strange view to take.

You know what if you want a new thread where i just post these questions

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?


just tell me some definite benefits of x11 that are real benefits not maybe beneficial but then again if the miner can be improved shown to not be beneficial at all.

and i don't even reply in the thread.... except if you ask me something directly. I will do it. However i will delete anything that is not directly related to the questions with evidence to back it up?

Would that be fair enough for you?


Come on really NO evidence at all it gives anything above and beyond previous algos??  This is madness, x11 is the new rage,  most communities pushing to jump to it.

Yet no hard evidence at all to suggest is useful above and beyond the chained algo we had??

Yet reading your posts you seem to have made up your mind. You do not leave it for a discussion, you state like it is the truth and look for someone to refute your claims with proof.
Think it is time you either provide some proof or stop spreading FUD until we get some solid facts.

Yes scrypt with the current miners we have for other algos consumes twice the electricity, same goes for QRK, and some of the single algos consume even LESS electricity that QRK and X11.

However that is not the point of the discussion. The point is to find out if x11 offers anything new over previous algos or algo chains.

Since it consumes more electricy than some of the other single algos and about the same as qrk then x11 offers nothing ground breaking there.

We are look for new things it offers over all other know algos so we know the best way to go for scrypt coins wishing to.

Others want to know if that 50% untapped power can be tapped into by certain coders or not. As yet nobody really knows for sure.

I have done a lot of power testing and Scrypt consumes exactly the double of power than X11.

hehe i thought you wanted to stay on topic about x11's merits

I would hate to have to rely on some of your products you say you code..... your logic is all over the place.  You want to ask me questions outside of topic, i reply to you... you complain and want to go back on topic , so i go back on topic, but you seemingly demand to go off topic again ..... hehe you poor tortured wretch.  

No the other thread is clear, some people can follow the rules that i and everyone else is abiding by, your brain obviously is incapable of following the rule of logic or any other rule.

Can we get back on topic to x11 now. Thanks ..

Now you must resort to using the big red letters again...

No. lets get back to call you out for your true motive of running this thread at all.
Which is a poor try to make propaganda against your very thread subject.
As is your other thread, against Darkcoin, which is self moderated and in which you delete any post which doesn't suit your agenda.

hehe you deliberately ask me to verify a point and then moan about derailing.... sure fool

okay back to x11 then no further discussion on anything other than x11 unless people force it off topic.... let's get back to x11.