Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real? - page 4. (Read 16302 times)

You are the only one who've ever reported non-100% cpu use with x11 cpu miners.

And instead of listening to my comment that you are bullshitting, you are making a fool of yourself.

Try -t (number of threads) to fill the cpu with job in its threads.


Everyone who has ever mined X11 with cpu, knows you are lying when you say that it doesn't use 100% cpu.



Continuing the idiocy.



Yes, so much that you don't even know how to set threads in your mining client.

memecoin tell us what other coins you have made and what other forum accounts you have used here
and then you can talk.. i have asked you a dozen times and you keep playing games.
what are you hiding ?

and give it a rest i know you have become jealous of me over time but some people are just smarter.. sorry lol
i can give you some tips on programming in c/c++ if you want

and you know what ? i seriously didn't even read what you said.. i seen you were the last guy that posted on this topic and hit reply
and i can guarantee 100% your comment is a mouthy snotty Trolling personal attack of some kind in no way related to the topic at hand in the slightest
like every single comment i ever seen you post.. you spout off and say nothing about what the topic started said and play little trolling diversion games..

please be quiet so the OP can try and get some answers.. i think we're all interested.
it's not about me or you memecoin so try contributing or be quiet please.

@Spoetnik,

Apologies for repeating myself... but this quote from the DRK dev...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5935102


Reads to me that X11 was not designed to be ASIC resistant, but to simply delay ASIC deployment, as the dev is encouraging ASIC development and deployment as soon as it becomes economically viable. In fact, reading between the lines, X11 was optimised for ASIC's.

So to ever market DRK or any other coin using the X11 algo as 'CPU only' or 'ASIC-Resistant' is misrepresentation at a best and out-right deception at worst, according to the X11 algo developer himself. Interesting the title of the ANN thread reads - [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant

I did not want to discuss DRK as requested by OP, but since DRK and X11 are inseparable, I will raise this point.

The X11 algo is not ASIC-resistant nor was ever intended to be according to the X11 developer.

memecoin be quiet you don't know anything about coding.

on topic i am looking at the source code etc. gettin deep in this biatch now lol

ok so lets put this into perspective shall we.. Darkcoin was the first X11 coin so it has to be brought up specifically.
Next lets acknowledge the fact that it came out in January 2014 right ?
And when it was released it did not have a GPU miner.. at least not one the public could use (fishy Quark gpu miner bullshit reeks on that)
So when it was released it was being paraded around as an EFFICIENT cpu only coin.. far more than other algos
WHEN it did not even use the max CPU usage on many miners.. So the comparison on that is simply ridiculous to say the least.
Later GPU's were added to mien X11 as the dev ASKED FOR ! and then it was still listed on pages such as the CPU-ONLY coin listing topic etc
all the while still paraded around as a cpu ONLY coin and getting new users because of it AND the gpu miner was only added to the ANN page
because i harassed the hell out of them on their ANN topic about it which the dev ignored even though i know he seen me pointing it out
and only added it after this topic here has been on page 1 for days.. he had to add it now he was trapped in scammy bs !

The GPU stuff i babbled on matters because they are using that as a way to say its efficient BUT
the gpu miner didn't even exist when they posted the coin making these claims !

This is about comparing X11 to other hashing algo's.. so making unfair or misleading or outright false / deceptive comparisons is what the question is here.
Comparing a hashing algo that is easier for your machine to work with vs one that is harder does NOT equal more efficient
that measn they are different and in my view comparing apples to oranges.

A key issue here is X11 was a fancy name tacked on to Quark's modified mix of algo's. so this is partly a mod of Quark that the dev refuses to admit
and partly a marketing game with a snazzy brand name tacked on to it to give the less tech savvy something to cling on to with their fanboyism.
These guys have said lots that the most important thing about a coin is the marketing team and actually nothing to do with a coin
all the tech coin stuff is secondary after thought stuff..
The goal is to mount a campaign to get people involved. Hence the behavior of treading on the edge of lying with dramatic and misleading statements
such as the shit in these coin ANN page topic titles.. It's a game people !
The coin itself is a secondary thing they really don't even care about.
And i have shown how pretty much every point / claim the Dark coin "team" is crap.. on their topic a while back before this one was made.
I was bullied and ignored and attacked with rabid fanboyism.

Public perception is money.. control that and the cash rolls in.. hence the forum bs.. as usual.

X11 what is it ? who made it and how was it made ? is there an honest answer ? And what other coins was the so called team involved with ?
Does it work more efficiently or are the devs realizing that the Quark dev missed capitalizing on the whole it's more efficient angle to push their coin ?

I just went and looked at Dark coins github and i see the usual.. throw a busted half ass useless clone out there publicly so it gets little attention
than all kinds of stuff are added to it after the fact over time.. an ingenious and common ploy / angle around here that is used heavily to coin cloners advantage.
especially when it comes to parading it around for months as asic resistant and having no public GPU miners only for them to pop up later..
and if there is GPU miners then asics are not too far off if the coin becomes profitable enough to make them.

Anyway i want facts and it starts with knowing what other coins the X11 coders team or what ever worked on..
Lets start at the begging. WHO are we dealing with and what experience in coding etc do they have and how many other coins did they post here ?

Please shut the fuck up and go away. You are the only one in all of existence that actually believes the garbage spewing from you keyboard. You spout off on these forums about having dirt, and you never follow through. That is exactly what Muddafudda does. How about you post some evidence to back up all of these claims you make. Show us an example of your divine coding abilities. I don't care about X11 or DarkCoin, but it is not a copy of Quark like Quark is a copy of Sifcoin. And because I know your reading comprehension is lacking, I will bold what I really want you to get from this: Please shut the fuck up and go away.

nice advertisement but you repeated the same old bs we have already heard..
i call bullshit on you because i went and downloaded you miner and tried with a pool and i got between 60 and 83% cpu usage on my haswell i7 4770k cpu.
that proved your full of shit.
you can NOT compare your shitty cpu miner hashing mess running at 60% cpu usage with a scrypt miner running at 100% cpu usage.
sorry that is concrete irrefutable crystal clear proof your flat out plain and simple WRONG !

claim no.1 busted.

and then we can dig into the rest of it lol

when one algo is maxing out my cpu and one is not that is a notable point.
further more you are comparing X11 shit to what ? scrypt ?
so what will happen if i make a coin based on the MD5 hashing algo ? ..using 12% cpu usage ? LOL

I bet i know more about this stuff than you do so called dev..
i have long ago reversed engineered my windows firewall i am using and the HASHING algo's it uses and cracked the program,
and then i coded three different keygens for it in different languages using the HASHING algo's AND the custom secret algo the coder made up i reversed.
When you walk in here and copy and paste Quark and give it no credit at all and play mr smart dev your bullshitting all of us !

Let's hear some tech specs mr dev you didn't post ANY..
The people that came by here and commented have while you avoided it and still are.. i wonder why ? hmmm

You have brain washed people into believing a marketing ploy. It's pure bullshit !

Great, thank you! And now Darkcoin is in my watch list

You're my friend so you're invited. Sadly though for you ....you have to stick to the topic and tell only the truth

I didn't want the x11 thread derailed further so now you dark coin haters have your own thread to discuss your fav topic.

Come over and play ... .although taoway should know right now, extreme drkcoin hate will not be tolerated on there. Only post the facts , you've done a great job so far but i just sense you are working yourself up now.

@cryptohunter has created a self moderated topic where only him and his friends can play. Like I said here, some pages ago, this was never a discussion but a statement.

ah okay thanks for the explanation

Quote from the DRK dev... whom I understand was the developer or at least the most prominent promoter of X11...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5935102


That in a nutshell tells me that choosing X11 for its ASIC-resistance is not sound choice, as it appears the developer's true intent in designing X11 was only to delay ASIC's while still being ASIC-centric.

Cool you watch a very good TV show.

off topic: off

Imagine that every hash function in the chain has a collision. That's mean that it transforms, say, 2^256 possible values into lesser # of values. For example, let's suppose it's twice as small for every hash in the chain, 2^255. So, chaining, say, 256 such functions will lead to very small target space, with very few possible block hashes.

From the start you had that posture, anyone who doesn't share your view is a fool. It's visible that you only want to undermine x11, and now Darkcoin. What's the end game ? I don't now yet. From the efficiency of the algo the subject has nicely shifted to the coin, and now you use the word "scam" like you discovered it yesterday.  

how was screwing your niece?

what did you mean when you said it could create more collisions?

Agree, he is very biased and hard to deal with, but his posts are well worth reading.

Well, that's correct if 'breaking' means finding a way to almost instantly calculate hash value. But imagine that a way to instantly find a collision is found. Bitcoin code (on which almost all altcoin wallets are based) prevents duplicate block hashes, but one can 'borrow' valid block hash from another blockchain with the same PoW algorithm and reuse it. Another question is where and how inject arbitrary bits into block header, there is only 32 bit of nonce and something like 14 low bits of time value, so this attack is rather theoretical for now. Quick conclusions - the first hash in chain should be the strongest one, high difficulty blockchain could damage its weaker siblings with the same algorithm.

Point is, if there's less heat, then something surprising is going to happen. Basic common sense. Watch the Groestlcoin

I think no, as long as PoW hash is not used to calculate Merkle root, but even this would be almost insignificant. And most altcoins use old good double SHA-256 for transaction hashes, IIRC.
Orphan rate is an excellent topic, I'd be glad to see a good discussion about it, though I have almost nothing to contribute to it.

Very interesting! Could you give a link to discussion?

Heheheheh

another fool who ignores the elephant in the room ... i made it elephant size and you still can't see it can you LOL

someone who ignores important facts and focuses instead on speculation is certainly hiding something....


although let me make it easier for you.... I NOW HAVE ANOTHER  AGENDA ON TOP OF EXAMINING X11.... let me change the OP a bit to reflect my new agenda.

1. TO HIGHLIGHT DRKCOIN IS A SCAM BECAUSE IT SEEMS IT ACTUALLY IS A SCAM.

do you have issue with that agenda?? if so why?

1. Dark coin (called some other name) was launched  and the BLOCK EXPLORER shows a huge amount of blocks being instamined almost INSTANTLY.
2. Dark coin bolstered their instamine by starting WITHOUT AND WINDOWS QT ( THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION)