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Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real? (Read 16241 times)

legendary
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HERE IS MY DARKCOIN ADDRESS... Xu31AHZcGzccD8xz6vtE6tcLZ3FiRAytrk. WHY WOULD I SPREAD FUD ABOUT MY OWN COINS? I EXPOSED HIM AND HE BECAME VERY ANGRY. THIS GUY IS BAD NEWS! I WILL SPAM HIM EVERYDAY UNTIL THE END OF FUCKING TIME FOR TWISTING THE FACTS! HE IS A SHILL!

TAOWAY STOP PMING ME SAYING HOW FUNNY IT IS THAT YOU ARE PRETENDING NOT TO BE A DARK COIN HATER NOW.... I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK MORON.


THREAD LOCKED FOR SPAM AND CONSTANT DERAILMENT..... NEW THREAD HERE FOR SERIOUS EXAMINATION OF X11 ONLY NOT SPECIFIC COINS.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/these-new-efficient-x11-algos-everyone-is-talking-about-bullshit-or-real-559712
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Yeah, lets get back to X11
Here are the facts, just in case:

- half the electricity consumption
- optimized mining software from different development branches
- ASIC safe for now
- most modern concept
- state of the art coins (DARKCOIN - HIROCOIN)
- probably more coins of value switching over to it

X11 is per se a warrant for quality and value of a coin's core.
It was made by the creme de la creme of the coin developers.
The market performance reflects it. People just trust the concept.

2 scam coins both use it? that's it's claim to fame?

again your facts are just your statements backed by nothing... probably, state of the art, for now, half the electricity = vague and not clear.... is it half the electricity of QRK , Groestl ?

besides you missed these questions again??


1. is it more efficient than qrk? Are cats more efficient than dogs? No definition here so I'm answering to the best of my ability
2. is it more secure than qrk? 83% more secure, your definition is undefined so I've provided my own
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?Scrypt utilizes RAM heavily. The power savings is manifested through not being memory hard. So yes, more power efficient than Scrypt in the sense that the algorithms themselves are designed to use the GPU core rather than the GPU memory.
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised? Are there more efficient scrypt kernels running for cgminer? Yes, but not by more than a couple percent. Same here with x11
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk? Yes, in the sense that someone has to spend the extra time to hash 5 extra functions that quark doesn't have. Dont bring back to me the pseudo-random choice based on the if/else statement.
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane Scrypt N is different that Scrypt Jane. I can tell you that it's more asic resistant than Scrypt-N because I've already seen advertisements for scrypt ASICs saying that the Scrypt parameters are configurable.
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?Not sure where you're going here. Are you asking if something better will come along? Shit yeah something will most definitely be around that is a better solution in year 3056.


Your questions are designed to be completely loaded, sir. If you want people to stop being so hostile then perhaps you should attempt at engaging rather than presenting yourself as hostile. Else, you will be dismissed .. based on the entire thread of dismissive arguments.

From what I see, you don't want actual answers . . and want only to see shit. Nobody can help you understand if that's all you want.
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I exposed CRYPTOHUNTER FOR LYING about being at the darkcoin launch, and he spun it to make me look like I was the one spreading fud about Darkcoin. I am invested in darkcoin longterm as you can see from my previous post.

THIS IS WHAT CRYPTOHUNTER IS DOING. DELETING MY POST BECAUSE I PROVED HE WAS LYING. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH X11.
THIS IS A SHAM!!

No we know it was not you. However you learnt a lesson not to feed to trolls.

He got paid by Quarksmen to do all of this shit last 2 days and the entire forum is laughing at him and Quarks. In the past he had BeeCoin in his signature hahhahaha LMAO http://[b]BEECOIN[/b]



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I exposed CRYPTOHUNTER FOR LYING about being at the darkcoin launch, and he spun it to make me look like I was the one spreading fud about Darkcoin. I am invested in darkcoin longterm as you can see from my previous post.

THIS IS WHAT CRYPTOHUNTER IS DOING. DELETING MY POST BECAUSE I PROVED HE WAS LYING. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH X11.
THIS IS A SHAM!!

Yup, he deleted my 9 posts too in that topic.

Cryptohunter is an attention whore, nothing more.
legendary
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1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?
Can we just focus on questions #3 and #4 for now?!?!?!

No that would mean no ROI for Quark phags who quarked this dumb quark salesman to attempt dumbFUD in order to Quark Quark Quark. Go buy some Quark from quarks in order to quark his feelings.
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1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?
Can we just focus on questions #3 and #4 for now?!?!?!
legendary
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Yeah, lets get back to X11
Here are the facts, just in case:

- half the electricity consumption
- optimized mining software from different development branches
- ASIC safe for now
- most modern concept
- state of the art coins (DARKCOIN - HIROCOIN)
- probably more coins of value switching over to it

X11 is per se a warrant for quality and value of a coin's core.
It was made by the creme de la creme of the coin developers.
The market performance reflects it. People just trust the concept.

2 scam coins both use it? that's it's claim to fame?

again your facts are just your statements backed by nothing... probably, state of the art, for now, half the electricity = vague and not clear.... is it half the electricity of QRK , Groestl ?

besides you missed these questions again??

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?
hero member
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Yeah, lets get back to X11
Here are the facts, just in case:

- half the electricity consumption
- optimized mining software from different development branches
- ASIC safe for now
- most modern concept
- state of the art coins (DARKCOIN - HIROCOIN)
- probably more coins of value switching over to it

X11 is per se a warrant for quality and value of a coin's core.
It was made by the creme de la creme of the coin developers.
The market performance reflects it. People just trust the concept.
legendary
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can we get back to x11 now?? or must this be a justification of the instamine of drk coin thread.

You kicked everyone in the thread discussing it out, so they moved here obviously.  You only have yourself to blame for the derailment of this thread.

they were not discussing what the thread was about they were simply trying to justify it and derail it.  You posted here what i deleted so great.

as i put in that thread i tire of darkcoin now..... it was instamined as proven by this and we know the windows qt was not available...



1.  The block reward was 500 every couple seconds at launch!  Not 20 or 50 coins every 2.5 minutes as listed.  There was also no windows wallet so only linux users could mine.  This allowed about 1.7-2 million Darkcoins to be instamined in the first 24hours.  Representing about 50% OF ALL DARKCOINS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE!!!  All mined in the first 24hours by just a few wallets.  Then the rules were changed increasing the block time to 2.5 minutes and eliminating the 500 block reward, (but only after the instaminers had claimed 2 million or so coins first.)

2.  Today many of those day 1 instamined coins have already been sold and right now approx 24% of all Darkcoins are held in just 10 wallets.  This could be 10 people or it could be simply Evan with 10 different wallets.

3.  My opinion is that it is unfair and unfortunate that this occurred and IMO it represents a very real risk to Darkcoin in that there is an opening for a good dev to make an Identical X11 coin that has all the attributes of Darkcoin, plus a few more features, and have a truly fair and equitable launch.  The instamining will continue to be brought up as it currently represents about a 10% premine given the Dev recently reduced the total coins that will ever be in existence to around 22million!


that is the facts right there... i dont care about darkcoin that much it was a side issue that arose from this thread.... but it is boring now. The is no denial from drkcoin fans just justification... job done.


so forget dark coin now... it was an instamine scam.... if it goes on to become something larger that is great i don't care either way...  people now the truth now and  make their choice...

so back to x11 then...
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can we get back to x11 now?? or must this be a justification of the instamine of drk coin thread.

You kicked everyone in the thread discussing it out, so they moved here obviously.  You only have yourself to blame for the derailment of this thread.  Anyways, I'm done discussing anything with you now. Have a good day.
legendary
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No his topic tries to justify the instamine with no windows qt, and then changing things around with the params to make it even harder to mine coins than before..lowering blocks reducing total minting....

So you'll only allow people to post in that thread if they talk shit about the instamine, but if they say they don't care or it's not a big deal, they're "derailing the thread"  Gotcha.  Clear agenda buddy lol

If by talking shit you mean posting block explorer proof showing the HUGE instamine.... yes they are allowed Smiley

I'll break it down for you fellas.

Here are some facts.

1.  The block reward was 500 every couple seconds at launch!  Not 20 or 50 coins every 2.5 minutes as listed.  There was also no windows wallet so only linux users could mine.  This allowed about 1.7-2 million Darkcoins to be instamined in the first 24hours.  Representing about 50% OF ALL DARKCOINS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE!!!  All mined in the first 24hours by just a few wallets.  Then the rules were changed increasing the block time to 2.5 minutes and eliminating the 500 block reward, (but only after the instaminers had claimed 2 million or so coins first.)

2.  Today many of those day 1 instamined coins have already been sold and right now approx 24% of all Darkcoins are held in just 10 wallets.  This could be 10 people or it could be simply Evan with 10 different wallets.

3.  My opinion is that it is unfair and unfortunate that this occurred and IMO it represents a very real risk to Darkcoin in that there is an opening for a good dev to make an Identical X11 coin that has all the attributes of Darkcoin, plus a few more features, and have a truly fair and equitable launch.  The instamining will continue to be brought up as it currently represents about a 10% premine given the Dev recently reduced the total coins that will ever be in existence to around 22million!


can we get back to x11 now?? or must this be a justification of the instamine of drk coin thread.
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rather than being a snotty little cunt ...
Dude, please spare us of this kind of language. Make your points without resorting to it.
gimme a break i have had 1000 vile insulting attacks on me in here this last month alone..
many of these guys hunt me and harass and troll me and never even make any effort to stay on topic in the slightest
they think this is a free for all to quote and and attack spoetnik web site.. so gimme a break.
i think i handle things rather well considering the monolithic amount of abuse i am subjected to here 24/7
YOU TRY BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT !

i also don't swear much but i get picked apart here by rabid vultures with anything i say non stop !
and i have seen a million people swear so if it's such a problem then why is sooo many here doing it besides me ?

maybe you guys should grow up and fuck off and get off my god damn back and quit
quoting me and harrasing the hell out of me ? seriously do i hunt and stalk and harass any of you people ?
grow the hell up. and quit worrying about quoting me and running your damn mouth.. stick to the topic or fuck off .
I don't care what you all think of me i care about what you think about what i said in regards to the topic at hand...

and that guy has been a huge massive mouthy jerk to me a 100 times before on other topics in case you guys didn't notice..
want me to go find them and show you all ? ..he's a mouthy scam defender.
I understand. I take your points seriously and read what you and many others have to say, and also don't like to bring moral high horse B.S.  Further, being a man and not native English speaker, I easily shrug it off and some drama even amuses me. But not when this reaches the level of spam, and derails threads and discussions, though.

Then people attacking you today, are sometimes the same ones that you attacked and insulted last month, for frivolous or no reason at all. What kind of new person in this forum, posting without bias or agenda, trying to learn and understand stuff, likes to be attacked?
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No his topic tries to justify the instamine with no windows qt, and then changing things around with the params to make it even harder to mine coins than before..lowering blocks reducing total minting....

So you'll only allow people to post in that thread if they talk shit about the instamine, but if they say they don't care or it's not a big deal, they're "derailing the thread"  Gotcha.  Clear agenda buddy lol

Stop feeding the troll.

Just report him for generally abusing this forum.
Thats what he's doing.

already did.  we should make a new topic honestly, this guy has a clear agenda and refuses to allow any discussion that doesn't fit his agenda to take place.
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No his topic tries to justify the instamine with no windows qt, and then changing things around with the params to make it even harder to mine coins than before..lowering blocks reducing total minting....

So you'll only allow people to post in that thread if they talk shit about the instamine, but if they say they don't care or it's not a big deal, they're "derailing the thread"  Gotcha.  Clear agenda buddy lol

Stop feeding the troll.

Just report him for generally abusing this forum.
Thats what he's doing.
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No his topic tries to justify the instamine with no windows qt, and then changing things around with the params to make it even harder to mine coins than before..lowering blocks reducing total minting....

So you'll only allow people to post in that thread if they talk shit about the instamine, but if they say they don't care or it's not a big deal, they're "derailing the thread"  Gotcha.  Clear agenda buddy lol
legendary
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i erased you becaue you tried to derail.... sorry no derailing aloud.

stop derailing this thread with drk coin if people want to read about that scam....go ahead to the dark coin thread. It is getting very plain to see there.


His post was certainly on topic, it just didn't fit your agenda of trying to make dark coin look as bad as possible. 

No his topic tries to justify the instamine with no windows qt, and then changing things around with the params to make it even harder to mine coins than before..lowering blocks reducing total minting....


i don't care what the price of it was?  we are examining the facts regarding if the instamine took place to what possible extent.

The price of it does not alter these facts ... trying to justify and derail simple as that.

Justification is no use. There is no justification for a planned instamine after you make a big deal about no premine.

Discuss the price on your own thread.

Also if you have nothing to add relevant to this x11 thread why are you posting?  more derailing.....
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i erased you becaue you tried to derail.... sorry no derailing aloud.

stop derailing this thread with drk coin if people want to read about that scam....go ahead to the dark coin thread. It is getting very plain to see there.


His post was certainly on topic, it just didn't fit your agenda of trying to make dark coin look as bad as possible. 
legendary
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I'm done. You erased a legitimate answer in your other thread about "darkcoin / scam" and it's obvious you seek not the truth. Rather you want to portray a single-sided version of dirt aimed at x11, darkcoin etc. So be it - do what you have to.


i erased you becaue you tried to derail.... sorry no derailing aloud.

stop derailing this thread with drk coin if people want to read about that scam....go ahead to the dark coin thread. It is getting very plain to see there.

Cliff notes

I'll break it down for you fellas.

Here are some facts.

1.  The block reward was 500 every couple seconds at launch!  Not 20 or 50 coins every 2.5 minutes as listed.  There was also no windows wallet so only linux users could mine.  This allowed about 1.7-2 million Darkcoins to be instamined in the first 24hours.  Representing about 50% OF ALL DARKCOINS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE!!!  All mined in the first 24hours by just a few wallets.  Then the rules were changed increasing the block time to 2.5 minutes and eliminating the 500 block reward, (but only after the instaminers had claimed 2 million or so coins first.)

2.  Today many of those day 1 instamined coins have already been sold and right now approx 24% of all Darkcoins are held in just 10 wallets.  This could be 10 people or it could be simply Evan with 10 different wallets.

3.  My opinion is that it is unfair and unfortunate that this occurred and IMO it represents a very real risk to Darkcoin in that there is an opening for a good dev to make an Identical X11 coin that has all the attributes of Darkcoin, plus a few more features, and have a truly fair and equitable launch.  The instamining will continue to be brought up as it currently represents about a 10% premine given the Dev recently reduced the total coins that will ever be in existence to around 22million!




anyway back to x11 thanks.
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These algos are just a gimmick, a real currency works without any fancy algo. Btw POS is the future
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I'm done. You erased a legitimate answer in your other thread about "darkcoin / scam" and it's obvious you seek not the truth. Rather you want to portray a single-sided version of dirt aimed at x11, darkcoin etc. So be it - do what you have to.


+1

guy has a clear agenda


here's your response if anyone is wondering.

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For someone that is going out to uncover the "scam" that DRK is, you've certainly haven't done any of your homework, like reading the first pages of the DRK thread.

The "instamine" issue has been brought up multiple times in the DRK thread - so apparently you haven't read it. Usually all those complaining are butthurt individuals who didn't buy in when cheap - because DRK was extremely cheap on entering exchanges. Your type of complain is different. You simply want to attack DRK and find stuff as you go along.

Anyway, 15 days after launch, DRKs could be bought on ccex for 0.00001 BTC. There was massive dilution of DRKs from miners to buyers from 0.00001 up to 0.002 BTC - and especially a lot that were sold in the 0.00002-0.00018 range.

Did you want any DRK? No you didn't. If you did, and even if missed mining, you could be a bagholder right now of epic proportions for pennies. There are buyers who bought and have >100x profit from miners who didn't really appreciate their mined coins and sold them for nothing. You see people rarely appreciate what they have in abundance. And the miners who were there from the pre-ann, sold bags of them when they found the chance in ccex. Thus a large percentage of the quickly mined coins were diluted from miners wallets and pools to exchanges and buyers / investors.

When something becomes successful, people would like the opportunity to buy before the success was achieved. But since they can't go back in time, they can rationalize their mistake / lost opportunity and say others were at fault. But here there's no excuse: Even if someone did not took part in the "instamine" he only had to go to the exchanges and pick up the "worthless" DRKs for 1/140th of current prices.

It is 100% hypocritical for some to say that they care about unfair distribution when this second opportunity was there for EVERYONE that desired a large piece of the pie by buying extremely cheap (more than 100 times cheaper the current price), at least 15 days later than the launch.

I can say this because this is one of the largest mistakes of my life, in hindsight. I arrived on DRK at late January as I was looking for a cpu coin to put my celeron for work. I saw the specs and immediately it stood out as something innovative, not a shitty clone. I said here we are. I started mining (~25 DRKs per day for the celeron) and as soon as it hit the exchange (early feb) I went to sell my coins. Seeing how cheap they were, I was like WTF... I should buy at these prices, not sell... and yet I didn't. Who's to blame? Me. I could have made >100x if I bought. The opportunity was there and I simply didn't take it. And I was just sitting idle when buyers were sweeping everything for nothing.

When dealing with coin distribution and fairness etc etc and how some people got more and some less etc etc, you can't simply overlook that the first coins were on sale for dirt-cheap prices. It was like 10.000 BTC pizza stories. And we are not saying a day later but half a month AFTER the launch and with people fully realizing that the coin was going to be the first anonymous coin, but without realizing the implications in terms of the market
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