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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

It's incredibly dumb to pay for predictions as there is so much abuse going on with tipsters trying to fake their advice and manipulate users into paying. So many people become blind to the obvious facts when the potential for easy money is waved in front of their face. Unfortunately the phrase "there's an idiot born every minute" applies and even the worst scammers can lure in people with a bit of smooth talking or simply catching people at the wrong moment. The only way that most of us learn not to fall for these tricks and ask more questions at the very beginning is often to feel the pain of losing ourselves, because that can stamp in your brain a warning to avoid these tricks in future.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Are people still actually paying for predictions?? It's quite funny to me because we live In a generation where you can have access to these things for free, if you are new to sports betting there are several websites to get free predictions, there are even predictions on YouTube you can get daily if you subscribe to their channels which doesn't require any fee whatsoever, so why are people still wasting their money on something that is not even 100 percent accurate..at the end of the day you might lose the bet and the money paid on prediction would be a waste, I consider this to be a bad investment

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Never paid for it but I think you have a point there, many gamblers on their attempt to make their hobby their main occupation see in those services a way to reach their goal, so they pay for it thinking that they they will obtain some profits with it, but as we know this is not possible, so they do indeed lose money twice, but many of those gamblers even after suffering those negative results do not really learn their lesson, and it is possible they will try several of those services before they give up.

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When I started gambling for the first time in my life, at some point I was seeing some sports prediction groups on Facebook, telegram and Twitter which I used to think that those people who were giving out those prediction were really experts that can give out only accurate prediction but I was wrong until I realized it, the only good thing is that I have not paid any one or joined a paid sports subscription channels because I realized so fast that there's no body that can give out an assured game.

I believe that newbies are the only people that can waste money to buy signals for casino game or sports prediction.

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If you want to ask about the feeling then the answer is the same as your title "This is a double loss thing." First of all I actually never had or knew about a group that basically give a signal for gambling use, I knew a channel that selling crypto signal for spot and future sbut never know about paid signal for gambling.

The case is still the same whether you buy a signal for gambling or a signal for trade the result is gonna be a double loss thing, back then I paid a lot for a trading signal but the result was not good enough to pay another month. From there I never bought again because in my opinion they just sell their signal but usually don't care with their result they only post a picture when profit but rarely post when hit loss, In trading I still believe in copy trade rather than paid signal.

Maybe it's just their tricks to make gambling signals and already consider themselves good at sports betting so they make scenarios like this, but I rarely find gambling signals.

Pay for gambling signals - Lose bets - Then it's a double loss.

Actually, it is not much different from trading signals, the advertisements they offer are clearly promising by showing winning pictures and this is usually spread on social media everywhere, which in the end is to attract many people to join, in essence just avoid it, this clearly does not make sense.

I know right Im just not rarely find but I never actually find about gambling signal at the beginning I just don't believe there is kind of signal that provide for gambling.

Even tho there is gambling signal then it should be easy to find for the provider winning streak from their own game without selling it. If he so good he can multiply his money in no matter of second IMO.

Social media is the great attractor even today i still find the trading signal in my daily ads hahah

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Quote from: Su-asa on August 01, 2024, 07:28:24 AM

The easiest way for one to make money is for the person to be smart, those that makes money from people are smart also, no matter that they might be scammers, they just makes people beliefs that their predictions are accurate. However if you pay to receive their codes and you still lose they will make you to belief that sometimes it happens like that and you will succeed the next one (which is lies). Most importantly, there is not accurate predictions anywhere, and paying for predictions won't help as a gambler. Moreover, it's only gamblers that are desperate for winning that pays for booking codes.

Even legit prediction site doesn’t promise guarantee win. They usually just post their win rate that ranging above 50% with huge bet quantity so a service that promise a sure profit even outside gambling is surely scam.

Scammer is indeed smart and feeding on the weak minded gambler that doesn’t know how to verify legit services and not.

There’s, some instances that red days on bets is inevitable because no one can control the actual play of the players during the game but most importantly on tipster services is they are consistent on balancing their win rate by contributing more win than lose.

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Quote from: Solosanz on August 01, 2024, 09:39:21 AM

Of course it's a double loss, or most of the time I call it stupid.

When someone offer a trading, invest, mining and anything related to money channel, believe me, they're the one who make money, not the members. Never join something like that if you're looking for money, but if you looking to make friends and knowledge, go ahead.

Well, I haven't tried it myself because I prefer to be wrong with my own mistakes, but there are both bettors and traders with a relatively long profitable track record. So, at first glance it might seem that paying them a fee to follow their rates might be profitable, and in some cases it is. The problem is that you never know if those positive results they have had are also due in large part to positive variance or luck, which at some point runs out, and if it happens when you have paid them to imitate them you are left looking like a fool, without your betting money and without the fee.

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Of course it's a double loss, or most of the time I call it stupid.

When someone offer a trading, invest, mining and anything related to money channel, believe me, they're the one who make money, not the members. Never join something like that if you're looking for money, but if you looking to make friends and knowledge, go ahead.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 01, 2024, 09:13:00 AM

Dont forget the membership fee that sometimes comes before even the predictions. So you can call those cases a "triple loss thing".

Indeed it is a foolish thing to depend on others for predictions while using your own money to bet. But this is common because people have the notion that certain "gurus" exist who can predict every game correctly and they should be entrusted with their money for making the profits.

Whenever someone asks for money for predictions, think of it in the proper sense, it is a full scam that everyone should stay away from.

You always have to think in simple logic that if someone is really good at predicting match results, then they should be making a lot of money and not need to make people pay for their predictions.
I can believe that someone is very successful at predicting results based on their experience, but not those who can do it with a really high probability.

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Quote from: Su-asa on August 01, 2024, 07:28:24 AM

The easiest way for one to make money is for the person to be smart, those that makes money from people are smart also, no matter that they might be scammers, they just makes people beliefs that their predictions are accurate. However if you pay to receive their codes and you still lose they will make you to belief that sometimes it happens like that and you will succeed the next one (which is lies). Most importantly, there is not accurate predictions anywhere, and paying for predictions won't help as a gambler. Moreover, it's only gamblers that are desperate for winning that pays for booking codes.

Their prediction can not always works good for people who wants because those people must realizes that no accurate predictions. They don't have to pay to those group who gives the prediction and it is better they learn the analysis so they can analyze by themselves.
If you use their prediction, you must pay for their prediction and that is not cheap so it is better if you use that money to place your bet. You don't have to pay anything and try to analyze with your skill.
You will have a chance to improve your skill if you can learn and that will helps you in analyzing the match without rely on other people prediction. If you have a good skills, you can increase your chance to win although that will not be 100% win.

It's true because if it's not luck gamblers won't win a cent from gamble. Some gamblers that joins the channels don't play according to all the predictions, they reshuffle the games, removed the ones they are not certisfied with and keep the remaining. Some of them also make their own research about the games (like checking to their head to heads) before placing them, but still it's just luck that makes us all to win.

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Dont forget the membership fee that sometimes comes before even the predictions. So you can call those cases a "triple loss thing".

Indeed it is a foolish thing to depend on others for predictions while using your own money to bet. But this is common because people have the notion that certain "gurus" exist who can predict every game correctly and they should be entrusted with their money for making the profits.

Whenever someone asks for money for predictions, think of it in the proper sense, it is a full scam that everyone should stay away from.

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Quote from: Su-asa on August 01, 2024, 07:28:24 AM

The easiest way for one to make money is for the person to be smart, those that makes money from people are smart also, no matter that they might be scammers, they just makes people beliefs that their predictions are accurate. However if you pay to receive their codes and you still lose they will make you to belief that sometimes it happens like that and you will succeed the next one (which is lies). Most importantly, there is not accurate predictions anywhere, and paying for predictions won't help as a gambler. Moreover, it's only gamblers that are desperate for winning that pays for booking codes.

Their prediction can not always works good for people who wants because those people must realizes that no accurate predictions. They don't have to pay to those group who gives the prediction and it is better they learn the analysis so they can analyze by themselves.
If you use their prediction, you must pay for their prediction and that is not cheap so it is better if you use that money to place your bet. You don't have to pay anything and try to analyze with your skill.
You will have a chance to improve your skill if you can learn and that will helps you in analyzing the match without rely on other people prediction. If you have a good skills, you can increase your chance to win although that will not be 100% win.

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I feel like if you are getting your bets or whatever from someone else, then you are already accepting defeat and if the result comes in not that great then we are going to be doing quite expectedly, the idea was to get it from others so you end up getting bad result isn't that shocking, that would be basically what people expect anyway, not a shocker at all. This is why I think it's quite obvious that we are going to end up with a lot of people who do not know what they are doing or how they are going to get a result from that at all.

Just let the situation pass, and focus on something else, we are going to end up with a problem that we can't fix that easily, it is going to take a while and we are going to face that as an issue if we are not careful as well. I know that a lot of people will focus on what we can do to make that work, but in the end it's just us letting others dictate what we are betting on, if we accept that even just once, then we are accepting defeat.

Just bet on whatever you want to bet on and if you can do that then you are going to end up with a good result eventually. Something that we can see how we can improve, very important distinction without a doubt.

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Seriously? Is this thing still need to be asked? I mean the answer here is already obvious and that is; of course, they will feel bad about it because the loss is not just one but two. Also, of course that losing is still there even though the information have already came from a paid signal group. They can't guarantee a 100 percent win but they only have a higher winning percentage than compared to a normal individual whose ability when it comes to sports betting is not that excellent enough.

It was only the match fixers are the ones that can give us a sure win but they are only hard to find for this reason and the ones that usually present them selves out there are only just a scam.

With that being said, we can also experience a double loss at them, so we must be careful and it would be better if we can just play the game on our own. That way in case we don't win, we can only lose once and then we might enjoy it more or we can feel more thrilled because the pickings and analysis have came from our own hard work. It also adds up to our experiences, making us to be more better in this game. I'm not saying that we can't learn from the other scenario but our learnings there is we can only get wiser and avoid those schemes later on.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

You won't pay next time if you aren't winning. The reason why sports bettor subscribe because they believe that they will win in the long run. These so called experts also tell you how to do the bankroll management, so even if you lose, you'll not discourage right away as you have a good bankroll that will give you a chance to recover. it's okay to subscribe actually, test your profitability but if you'll lose, you have to stop.

There's also this tipster who would tell you how much you bet, don't trust these people as they'll tell you to bet big so they'll get bigger commission when you win, but if you'll lose, they are risk-free.

I like your second paragraph because it just speak the truth. They are scammers. But your first paragraph is not that accurate. All of them are the same. They have one goal which is to make money from people. If the people win, they make money. If the people lose, they will not lose. They are all the same. The best is to not subscribe to anything like this because it is a scam. All of them are scam.

The easiest way for one to make money is for the person to be smart, those that makes money from people are smart also, no matter that they might be scammers, they just makes people beliefs that their predictions are accurate. However if you pay to receive their codes and you still lose they will make you to belief that sometimes it happens like that and you will succeed the next one (which is lies). Most importantly, there is not accurate predictions anywhere, and paying for predictions won't help as a gambler. Moreover, it's only gamblers that are desperate for winning that pays for booking codes.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 01, 2024, 03:50:54 AM

Quote from: stadus on July 31, 2024, 06:52:43 AM

Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

You won't pay next time if you aren't winning. The reason why sports bettor subscribe because they believe that they will win in the long run. These so called experts also tell you how to do the bankroll management, so even if you lose, you'll not discourage right away as you have a good bankroll that will give you a chance to recover. it's okay to subscribe actually, test your profitability but if you'll lose, you have to stop.

There's also this tipster who would tell you how much you bet, don't trust these people as they'll tell you to bet big so they'll get bigger commission when you win, but if you'll lose, they are risk-free.

I like your second paragraph because it just speak the truth. They are scammers. But your first paragraph is not that accurate. All of them are the same. They have one goal which is to make money from people. If the people win, they make money. If the people lose, they will not lose. They are all the same. The best is to not subscribe to anything like this because it is a scam. All of them are scam.

So tell me why would someone go bet above their lose limits? It this advisable as a responsible gambler or what because I know if gambling expert are the ones sending you games at same telling you amount to bet is like wanting that person to lose it all why, because at first they have commission from your winnings and have zero commission from ones Lost this shows very bad habits.

This comment made me reflect back to a random person who chatted me on Facebook saying he has some trusted matches telling me which favorite gambling website do I go gambling so he could send me their bet tickets.. all would do is to open site and insert the id he gonna give me after which I must stake with at least 10-20k NGN then when win I have to send him his share from the bet what did is to asked him what if I lose the match would you contribute to the lose and he said his lose is sit and make prediction while I am to stake with my money.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

There is no sure thing in predictions.Real genuine prediction pages tell you that they on average on a certain period can bring you more wins than lost bets,this does not mean that you will be in profit though as the amount that you bet on each game the service provide will define the outcome for you,few wins with huge amount can cover more lost bets with small amount.

As for those who fall for fixed or sure predictions,they should learn the hard way so they don't even think about sending money to scammers again.

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Quote from: stadus on July 31, 2024, 06:52:43 AM

Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

You won't pay next time if you aren't winning. The reason why sports bettor subscribe because they believe that they will win in the long run. These so called experts also tell you how to do the bankroll management, so even if you lose, you'll not discourage right away as you have a good bankroll that will give you a chance to recover. it's okay to subscribe actually, test your profitability but if you'll lose, you have to stop.

There's also this tipster who would tell you how much you bet, don't trust these people as they'll tell you to bet big so they'll get bigger commission when you win, but if you'll lose, they are risk-free.

I like your second paragraph because it just speak the truth. They are scammers. But your first paragraph is not that accurate. All of them are the same. They have one goal which is to make money from people. If the people win, they make money. If the people lose, they will not lose. They are all the same. The best is to not subscribe to anything like this because it is a scam. All of them are scam.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Losing money twice as a gambler is something you'll not want to experience because the pains and regrets that comes with it are most times too difficult to bear. When a gambler gambles with his own predictions, the stakes are mostly not that high because he'll not be convinced enough that he's going to win so he'll stake with an amount he'll easily bear the losses but when a gambler pays to subscribe to a particular signal channel, he'll stake high because of the belief he's going to definitely win any games he gets from the signal channel which is why it'll be very difficult to bear such losses. My advise to gamblers is that they shouldn't be subscribing to any signal channel because most of them are not sure of the games they give their subscribers to stake on

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Yes, it's a double-loss thing. And I expect someone wise enough to quit paying more subscription money after several attempts. The feeling at initial was that there was no space for loss and that they would get a huge cashout if they consistently paid for games in a month. The opposite is now the same. After some tries they are to stop it and maintain their pattern of gambling which has been favorable to them. It's better to lose i a bet from you than lose the bet after you have paid for it. Although some gamblers feel safer betting games that was given to them by other gamblers.

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