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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Paid prediction has no guarantee of winning so it should be taken as a risk when we are dealing with paid tips/prediction.
It means that if we are realizing this fact, we should not take it as a double loss but it is part of the risk dealing with paid prediction.
If they take it as a double loss, means that they are expecting too high from the paid prediction or maybe because they are fooled by the predictor who (maybe) giving a guarantee of winning.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

A double loss indeed, I remember what happened to a close friend of mine, he was caught up with a lot of debts and he had about 20 thousand in his account so he thought about placing a bet of 15 thousand naira, he was unsure of his predictions so he paid five thousand naira for a three odds prediction on telegram... turned out that he lost the be, his 15 thousand was gone and also his five thousand naira was also wasted just like that...I wouldn't advice anyone to for predictions, what makes you think that the people giving out those predictions are experts, i see it as another system that people are using to scam others

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To me, it depends on what they were promised before they paid. Some promised that the games would be fixed and very sure. When people are promised that they tend to stake higher and have an extra set of hope. But when the person is honest and lets people know it's just a prediction that has a chance of not happening, people know how to tailor their stakes and expectations.
So if you lose to a punter who was honest with you from the beginning, it will hurt, but it is not very different from losing on your own bets, when you lose to someone who told you the match was fixed, you feel stupid and extra hurt.

Either way, I always advise people not to pay for games. I see both ways as just a means to make money whether the better enters or not. One question I always ask is, if the bets are so sure that you can be bold enough to sell them then you won't need anybody's money, you'll stake it high on your own and become rich.

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Quote from: retreat on July 31, 2024, 12:04:53 AM

If they have paid a lot of money for the prediction channel but still lose on their gambling, that just proves how stupid they are to waste money on something that is not certain. Because it is clear that in gambling, no one can provide certainty to gamblers that they can win gambling, even professional gamblers are not able to ensure that they can win their gambling. But if gamblers still choose to trust channels for predictions, then it is their fault if they lose because they are too greedy to win so they are very easy to fool.

Some people are ignorant. The ignorance makes them to become a victim of scammers until they learn. But if thought about it very well, they will ask themselves questions that if the sites truly know about the outcome of matches and games before they are played, they will make money and become a millionaire or billionaire daily without providing such service. But because it is not possible, they provide such service which is just to scam people. That should be enough to avoid such scam but people will just like the unknown foolishness until they become wise after they are scammed already.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

To me, double-loss is like an understatement for such. Even I have ever encountered this situation, and the painful part was that I want to taste if it is actually legit. At first, I stake the smallest amount of money in order to taste it, but it ends up being a win, so that is what makes me feel that it is legit and it will reduce me from stress. The second time I tried this, I staked big and even shared the predicted core with some of my friends and encouraged them to stake more money even if it should exceed their gambling budget. They all did as I said, and I also did the same. The prediction was failed, and we all lost more than we had ever expected.

Although I will say this happens because of my greed, I forgot that expert prediction is a 50-50 scheme where either you lose or you win, so for now I don’t think I will ever pay anyone to give me prediction again because I don’t think I can afford losing that much any more.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Anybody that is paying for predictions should understand that there's no guarantee of winnings, that it's an extension of gambling. I'm not into prediction sites whether free or paid, I guess it's because there are many sports enthusiasts in my neighborhood that analyzes matches and gives their predictions in bet shops. Gamblers should not entirely rely on predictions, whether it's free or they're paying for it, they should just take them on advisory basis and decide whether to go with the predictions.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

The feeling of the person is a beginner gambling will be crushing. Sadness and anger will encompass the person. There will be disappointment too because they must have put all their hopes on the accuracy of prediction channel together with the money they paid for it. If it were someone with a gambling experience, the person would already know that it is 50/50 and would have already set realistic expectations for the outcome. They'll take it as one of those experiences and either move on to any prediction channel or start their own to recover their loss feeling that they can do better.

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Ouch! That hurts more than losing from your own prediction. Imagine paying a lot of money in a signal group and they are just taking advantage of the foolishness of people to believe that such a thing exists. This should be a lesson learned from experience and if I am in that position I'd rather do my own analysis for each game that I will bet for and at least blame myself for making a mistake rather than being frustrated because someone else made a fool out of you.
These signal groups have been discussed here in the gambling section many times and I tell you, most members would just say it's not true because it ain't. Learn from the mistake, move one, that's my suggestion.

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That's really double loss. It will be very painful and instantly I will delete the app from my devices. Paying for prediction signals for sports betting is bad because sports is not a game you can't just guest what the two team will exactly play but it is a guest work. Even the group you are paying the money to tell you the out of the game does a guest work which you can also do so I don't see any reason for a gambler to pay for prediction.

Probably it has worked for some people in the past base on luck so others wanted to try but they were not lucky.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Certainly it would be double loss thing because the main reason why people joining the particular prediction channels is because they want to gets good results from their bets so that's why some people are dare to pay with the particular amount of money to became an members of those channels and i am sure for the promotions those channels offering high percentages of winning to them and it makes those people is very tempting want to joining but in fact the results is really unexpected

Few years ago i was joining prediction channel similar like this through an telegram app but i was joining them for free and for each week those channels have share their predictions about the particular events and they have over than 60% percentages of winning but i didn't dare to always be rely on their tips and so far i didn't dissapoint to them because they didn't offering 100% of accuracy even the owner of those channels has said bets using the money you can affords to lost because gambling is fully risky and the predictions can be very often to be missed

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They feels when they paid for a prediction group, they will have a big chance to win the match but that will not always work as they must know that the match can change anytime. They can not expect to win many times from the prediction and they lose on the match, they gets a double loss because they lose in their bet and they paid a subscription for the prediction. Joining in the signal groups or channels will not guarantee you can win many times but by joining that groups will helps you not to analyze and only rely on that groups.

But that will not be a good idea because you don't know who they are and how good their skills in analyzing the match. Many groups like that can scam you anytime so you will lose your money because you paid the subscription services to them. That will makes them desperate because they can not win the money instead just lose their money and in the end, they leave the group with sad and desperate feeling.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

I have never been the member of such signals groups thus I'm wondering whether they should pay for 1) any prediction delivered to group or 2) just selectively for those ones that have appeared to them be logical. The first opt seems to be unfair to me and I think their loss/regret (if any) must be compensated by the signal-site via , let's say, security deposits from both sides refunded after prediction has cleared.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

Your question is rhetorical. How would someone feel, after he lost money? Excited? Enthusiastic? He would most likely feel bad.
It's not just the signal groups and prediction channels. I remember that there were gambling products on Clickbank, promising to teach you how to win the lottery or how to make consistent money via sports betting. This is basically selling "snake oil" and the people, who buy such products aren't smart at all. There will be always people, who spend money on garbage products and services. You can call it a double loss or a triple loss. It doesn't matter. What matters the most is to learn from your financial mistakes and never repeat them.

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Quote from: retreat on July 31, 2024, 12:04:53 AM

If they have paid a lot of money for the prediction channel but still lose on their gambling, that just proves how stupid they are to waste money on something that is not certain. Because it is clear that in gambling, no one can provide certainty to gamblers that they can win gambling, even professional gamblers are not able to ensure that they can win their gambling. But if gamblers still choose to trust channels for predictions, then it is their fault if they lose because they are too greedy to win so they are very easy to fool.

It seems that those gamblers who subscribe to paid channels are preparing themselves for a loss in advance. Of course, influencers try to predict the outcome of matches, but in reality, they also cannot know the information and guess with 100 percent probability. It turns out that gamblers subscribers are simply trying to shift responsibility for their decisions to another player. It is better to always think with your own mind and be responsible for your own actions.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

I would also be very interested in knowing the emotions of these people and asking why they think that if they buy a forecast, it should come true. Aren't these people stupid? Don't they understand that if it were that easy, we would all be driving Lambo? But as long as there are simpletons who think that everything in the world can be bought, scammers will present them with such harsh lessons.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:30 PM

Actually I don't know if this should be discussed here but I think it will make up a good discussion.
Although it's just for those that have joined a signal groups/channels for predictions, but still ended up losing. Am just curious to know how they feel when they paid for a prediction and finally lose the games even after paying their money thinking that the predictions are sure. IMO, this is a double loss thing.

it's a double loss but before paying to join a prediction platform you already know that what they will end up doing is to carry out thier own prediction based on thier own analysis and level of knowledge on the sports and not that the sports has already been fixed and the outcome sent to them before the start of the game. Paying for those kind of things is just a way of reducing your level of exposure to risk and while it might not work in some context, it's something you have to know even before joining those platforms that what you're getting is a 50/50 possibility.

I believe you don't have to be too serious with your gambling to the extent where you try to get what's now flying around as correct predictions and will have to even pay for it. On most platforms like this where gambling discussion takes place, after selecting the games you're playing, you can just get some feedback from fellow gamblers which should serve to help out to give a more solid justification to whatever games you've already selected.

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Quote from: alegotardo on July 30, 2024, 08:13:15 PM

I'm sorry to be honest, but I believe that people are very ignorant, believing that signal groups/channels really are a reliable source for the results of their bets.
I agree that it may be useful or interesting to pay to have privileged information on a certain subject that can give you an advantage over other bettors so that you can form your opinion on which bets to place and who to bet on, which are more profitable and accurate.
However, the final result must always be up to the bettor.

As awful as it may sound, that's the truth: who the hell pays for "insider information" and completely trusts someone else's judgment with their money? On top of that, I bet that 99% of these paid signaling groups use generic information, which can already be found on prediction websites. You must be extremely naïve to believe that there are shortcuts to making money and exiting poverty. No one is out there handing out money. I don't think there's a largest defeat in gambling, especially when you are confident you are going to win.

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If they have paid a lot of money for the prediction channel but still lose on their gambling, that just proves how stupid they are to waste money on something that is not certain. Because it is clear that in gambling, no one can provide certainty to gamblers that they can win gambling, even professional gamblers are not able to ensure that they can win their gambling. But if gamblers still choose to trust channels for predictions, then it is their fault if they lose because they are too greedy to win so they are very easy to fool.

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It's definitely a tough pill to swallow. Paying for something that promises a high chance of winning, only to end up losing is incredibly frustrating. It's like losing twice – the money and the hope. That’s why I never invested in a prediction service, only to end up losing even after paying for what I thought were sure-fire predictions.

And that should give you a hard lesson not to trust this type of group. You have no idea where they are getting their signals and how they are predicting such results of the event. Most if not all are just after for the money, hence, they will give predictions even if the likelihood of happening is low. Just think of the fact that they are also humans, who are only basing their predictions from experience and knowledge of the sports. There are still blind spots that they may not consider as they have no control of such as environmental conditions, unknown injuries, coach strategies among others.

Alot of sport bettors have become victims of this scams, and funny thing is that many of them still subscribe to the service on daily basis even with the high rate of loses that have been recorded using such predictions sites and services, I hard a case sometimes ago where a gambler paid high amount of such predictions, and at the end when the game was played he lost, and being angry with the outcome he got the guys that linked him up with the scammer arrested and eventually he was able to recover the money he paid for that predictions service.
But that leads me to ask a question, which is.

What will happen if the gambler make the subscription payment in cryptocurrencies let say like bitcoin or USDT, it could become impossible to track the scammers if the predictions failed?

Not at all since there would really be those bettors would really be making use of their own common sense on the moment they would really be able to encounter these groups. Actually its not really that hard to determine whether it would really be worth or not on dealing up with those groups on which if you could really be able to make your own analysis then there's no sense that you would really be joining up these groups and paying for it. You could actually make some research on your own and its for free of charge on which this is more worthy rather than on paying up something on which you could really actually make your own.
When it comes to sense about double loss thing then it could be considered on which you have lost your bet and you have lost that money that you paid up on a certain group.

Just like on some other mentions on which if it do pertains about on the moment that you have lost then you wont really be having that regret on the time that you are basing
up with your own decisions and analysis. This is why its really that important that you should really know on the actions that you would really be making.

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Many people have said it and indeed those who still rely on betting prediction signal services can really understand and feel what to accept when they have experienced it, greater defeat.
Indeed, there are some predictions that are given accurately but that will not happen in the long term or guaranteed all predictions can be correct because this is gambling and betting where the results cannot be known for sure.
Even though it is sports bet, there are still many unexpected results, each player or each team will not always be able to achieve absolute victory and there will be rapid and significant decline and increase in performance.

Talking about losses, it is clear that it is multiple loss and only wastes time or can only give sense of disappointment.
Just think logically, those who have such services if they are sure and guaranteed to win will use their predictions to bet themselves without having to sell them in particular group channel.
This becomes business for them and customers become source of income for them.

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