ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT - page 80.

YarkoL

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 12:17:51 PM

I admit to making a perhaps unwarranted assumption that the roll-out will have to be delayed. But unless you or Lauda knows something I don’t about the extent of the problem, the possibility is hardly nonsense.

The thing is, we who aren't directly involved cannot
know at this stage.

But despite whatever we might think about segwit or
Core policy, an issue found during testing is always a sign
of progress and not vice versa.

Lauda

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 12:17:51 PM

I admit to making a perhaps unwarranted assumption that the roll-out will have to be delayed. But unless you or Lauda knows something I don’t about the extent of the problem, the possibility is hardly nonsense.

You didn't say that it was a possibility, did you? You said that it was going to be delayed; those statements are different. You have to keep in mind that there is almost 2 months before they miss their initial estimate (there isn't a fixed date). I'm certain that they are going to figure it out (as a lot of the developers are working on Segwit).

Quote from: YarkoL on March 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM

This is the proper use of testnet, to weed out network-level problems that cannot be tracked down by static code inspection or debugging sessions.

Exactly.

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: YarkoL on March 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 11:35:46 AM

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

Maybe nobody knows yet, but Lauda is right.

This is the proper use of testnet, to weed out network-level
problems that cannot be tracked down by static
code inspection or debugging sessions.

I admit to making a perhaps unwarranted assumption that the roll-out will have to be delayed. But unless you or Lauda knows something I don’t about the extent of the problem, the possibility is hardly nonsense.

forevernoob

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 12:07:44 PM

We're doomed...

I suppose you like democracy better? Well I suppose you are right it has worked extremely well for centuries...
Oh wait.. It hasn't.

Here is the Wikipedia article which I realize I should have linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making
Since you seem scared of the word anarchist.

Please read some before you dismiss it.

Fatman3001

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Quote from: YarkoL on March 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 11:35:46 AM

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

Maybe nobody knows yet, but Lauda is right.

This is the proper use of testnet, to weed out network-level
problems that cannot be tracked down by static
code inspection or debugging sessions.

No doubt, but that wasn't the point.

YarkoL

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 11:35:46 AM

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

Maybe nobody knows yet, but Lauda is right.

This is the proper use of testnet, to weed out network-level
problems that cannot be tracked down by static
code inspection or debugging sessions.

Arrakeen

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Offer escrow, receive negative trust

From the first page:

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 05:49:43 PM

Have we figured out who's benefiting here?

Fatman3001

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Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 11:54:58 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

You obviously don't know how the consensus process works. It's the opposite of being authoritarian.
You are the one being authoritarian when you try to impose your views on us.
You don't give a shit about our arguments or anything we do or say. You are just hellbent on getting things your way.

That's the wrong approach.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/seeds-for-change-consensus-decision-making

We're doomed...

Edit:

"When they can see the whites of your eyes
In emergencies, in situations where urgent and immediate action is necessary, appointing a temporary leader may be the wisest course of action."

Where's dev?

forevernoob

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

You obviously don't know how the consensus process works. It's the opposite of being authoritarian.
You are the one being authoritarian when you try to impose your views on us.
You don't give a shit about our arguments or anything we do or say. You are just hellbent on getting things your way.

That's the wrong approach.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/seeds-for-change-consensus-decision-making

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: Lauda on March 04, 2016, 11:37:28 AM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 11:35:46 AM

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

There's more than enough time (more than a month -> up to end of April to meet estimate) to figure it out and fix it. The 'nonsense' is your claim that it won't be ready by then based on this singular problem.

So neither of us knows what happened. Fair enough.

Lauda

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 11:35:46 AM

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

There's more than enough time (more than a month -> up to end of April to meet estimate) to figure it out and fix it. The 'nonsense' is your claim that it won't be ready by then based on this singular problem.

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: Lauda on March 04, 2016, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 10:37:58 AM

Not to mention the fact that SegWit testnet forked and that there’s no way this thing will be ready in a month. (Ok, I mentioned it.)

Nonsense. You can't possibly know that. The reason for which it is called a testnet is because it supposed to be used for extensive testing (which it is). I'm actually 'glad' that the fork happened there, else something might have been missed before the release. It could be a simple bug, you never know.

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

Still less dangerous than a contentious hard fork. Gavin had one job: 1) consensus threshold (90-95%); 2) Grace period (even Garzik suggested 3-6 months as a minimum). He failed miserably on both.

What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!

hdbuck

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Answer the question genuis

Fatman3001

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Innocent little buckie. Never heard of shorting.

hdbuck

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Gavin surely is short of bitcoin.. Roll Eyes

Lauda

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 10:37:58 AM

Not to mention the fact that SegWit testnet forked and that there’s no way this thing will be ready in a month. (Ok, I mentioned it.)

Nonsense. You can't possibly know that. The reason for which it is called a testnet is because it supposed to be used for extensive testing (which it is). I'm actually 'glad' that the fork happened there, else something might have been missed before the release. It could be a simple bug, you never know.

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

Still less dangerous than a contentious hard fork. Gavin had one job: 1) consensus threshold (90-95%); 2) Grace period (even Garzik suggested 3-6 months as a minimum). He failed miserably on both.

hdbuck

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on March 04, 2016, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 09:25:15 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 08:53:05 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 07:17:17 AM

Quote from: theymos on March 03, 2016, 05:04:22 PM

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process.

Why?

Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin.
That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take.

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

first of all the people behind the contention have irresponsibly been yapping their utter bullshit all over the place and therefore they have naturally been dismissed for the last year by bitcoin consensus mechanism.

second, what are the other things that can kill bitcoin? your ignorance?

ps: you can shove your "hopefully" where it belongs, and if anything, the dos attacks clearly makes the case for the 1MB hard limit.

Says the btc-shorting troll. I'm sure you're loving this.

Heh me short of bitcoin? Lol

Second answer the question you retard: what is It that could kill bitcoin?

Fatman3001

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Quote from: hdbuck on March 04, 2016, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 09:25:15 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 08:53:05 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 07:17:17 AM

Quote from: theymos on March 03, 2016, 05:04:22 PM

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process.

Why?

Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin.
That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take.

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

first of all the people behind the contention have irresponsibly been yapping their utter bullshit all over the place and therefore they have naturally been dismissed for the last year by bitcoin consensus mechanism.

second, what are the other things that can kill bitcoin? your ignorance?

ps: you can shove your "hopefully" where it belongs, and if anything, the dos attacks clearly makes the case for the 1MB hard limit.

Says the btc-shorting troll. I'm sure you're loving this.

hdbuck

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 09:25:15 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 08:53:05 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 07:17:17 AM

Quote from: theymos on March 03, 2016, 05:04:22 PM

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process.

Why?

Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin.
That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take.

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

first of all the people behind the contention have irresponsibly been yapping their utter bullshit all over the place and therefore they have naturally been dismissed for the last year by bitcoin consensus mechanism.

second, what are the other things that can kill bitcoin? your ignorance?

ps: you can shove your "hopefully" where it belongs, and if anything, the dos attacks clearly makes the case for the 1MB hard limit.

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 09:25:15 AM

Quote from: forevernoob on March 04, 2016, 08:53:05 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 04, 2016, 07:17:17 AM

Quote from: theymos on March 03, 2016, 05:04:22 PM

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process.

Why?

Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin.
That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take.

I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.

First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.

This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.

Not to mention the fact that SegWit testnet forked and that there’s no way this thing will be ready in a month. (Ok, I mentioned it.)

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