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August 20, 2013, 12:10:23 PM
#33
I'm considering selling all of mine at the market price of $175, and waiting to see what happens next. Its so hard to decide lol. What if it hits $200? etc.

You are in BTC because of fiat profits? SELL SELL SELL

You are in BTC because of freedom? HOLD HOLD HOLD

Every BTC sold goes from weak hands to stronger hands. Just do it!

This was a bad call. After the market has gone up for many months in a row, parabolically, Rampion advises someone who considered selling at $175 to hold.

2 days later, on April 10th, the price peaked out at $266 and crashed to $105, only to end the day at $165.

It continued to go down the days after and bottomed around $50 only a week later.

What price would you have sold ?  at $120, $140, $160...?    Now it's easy to talk about but then...
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August 20, 2013, 11:55:30 AM
#32
I am world's probably worst trader, and there is no way I could ever dream of aspiring to your list. But if there is some sort of reward / prize in this competition, then I would like you to consider me.

I made a call telling the price will go from 66 to 123

trading call: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=ajb3vm56v6ao5s38q6jgc7cm22&topic=178336.msg2673061#msg2673061
trading call confirmation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2965168

Then for those who missed the 66 bottom I made two calls to catch up the move.

trading call: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=mcr4tdi9nppt5a7p5fditsn9k4&topic=178336.msg2676745#msg2676745
trading call confirmation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=mcr4tdi9nppt5a7p5fditsn9k4&topic=178336.msg2677325#msg2677325

trading call: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=mcr4tdi9nppt5a7p5fditsn9k4&topic=178336.msg2729995#msg2729995
trading call confirmation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=mcr4tdi9nppt5a7p5fditsn9k4&topic=178336.msg2734572#msg2734572

After being criticized, I promised not to make any more BTCUSD calls, but if you encourage me I might consider giving non-BTCUSD calls

Would the above count for 1 or for 3 calls?
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August 20, 2013, 08:44:31 AM
#31
If you make trades based on what other people think thats fine but you can't then blame them for it.

Good point. I agree. It's your own decision that you followed their opinion, so if you want to blame someone, start with yourself.

Equally if you follow one's opinion and it works out, and you want to praise someone, start with praising yourself since you made that decision to follow them.

Blaming others or yourself is not healthy though. It's called self attack and leads to more of the same since you don't come to an understanding of why you did something, but instead try to ban it. It won't work and you will repeat since the cause of your mistake was not addressed. Praising someone or yourself is the other end of the spectrum and also not healthy since you don't come to an understanding why you or the other person did it right.

I do think it is ok to thank for opinion that proved valuable, and to point out opinion that proved wrong.

And ofcourse, if you do follow people's opinion, as I also do, it is wise to study their track record and see their success rate.

Studying track records is a lot of work though, this thread shares my work on this, and I hope people share their knowledge on people's track record here also.
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August 20, 2013, 07:46:19 AM
#30
Loozik made some really incredible predictions in the last month in the Wall Observer Thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loozik-101803

I found these 3 guys on a btc chart gambling site too, with more than 70% win rate.
http://btcoracle.com/leaderboard.php
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August 20, 2013, 07:23:01 AM
#29
the Forum has been inundated with trolls probably from the Street who are desperately trying to get their hands on bitcoin.  you can tell this by the pronouncements of doom and gloom from these people.  as the stock market plummets, these punks are looking for the next bull market to rotate into and its bitcoin.  but they need to get you to sell to them so don't let it happen.  we are going back up and soon.

Bad call by cypherdoc. On June 11th 2011 when price had just peaked out at $31.5, 2 days before, and was averaging at $17.6 that day, he advises not to sell but to buy hold (edit: I stand corrected) and predicts it will go back up.

The price continued to fall for 5 months in a row to a low of $2 by November 18th 2011.

To my knowledge be remained bullish the whole way down.
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August 20, 2013, 07:18:22 AM
#28
If you make trades based on what other people think thats fine but you can't then blame them for it. Very few people could predict when that parabolic price rise would crash. Nobody would predict every move unless they happen to be god. Price crash happened at $266 but I would have not been surprised at all if it had instead kept going and hit $500 a week later.

When price hit $70 less than 2 months ago I wrongly predicted it would continue down to the bottom of the long term channel. Thats the breaks, technical analysis predicted it would, but that doesn't account for Ben Bernanke deciding to start blabbering about tapering the QE.

Long term predictions are much easier. In the long term, whether you bought at $266 or $50 both will be considered very cheap one day. Bitcoins can and most likely will rise a lot more. This is a consequence of keynsian economics, and an unbacked fiat monetary system.
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August 20, 2013, 07:06:50 AM
#27
20 days after the April 10 peak



The most significant resistance to increasing bitcoin prices is currently above $145. The recent peak at $160 has not yet been surpassed.

Now that 20 days have elapsed after the all-time-high of $266, the amount of buying enthusiasm that used to arrive each Monday morning is waning. Based upon the decline back to underlying trend predicted by speculative financial bubble theory, and comparison with the June, 2011 bubble, I expect the trading emphasis to shift to defending the support at $120, rather than pushing above $160 to new highs. I believe, that until $120 is breached to the downside, the way down will be primarily motivated by profit taking, and below $120 by loss-staunching and periodic capitulations.

What would negate the case for a the short term bear market? New high prices, in particular a new all time high.  What would confirm the case? A long battle at $120 with a breakthrough to lower prices, in particular a low below $60.

Sentiment continues to cool 20 days post bubble peak, e.g. Google Trends, Reddit.

I sold some more bitcoins at $135 and have outstanding sell orders below $150, attempting to raise more $ selling into what I think is a Sucker's Rally.

Great call from SlipperySlope. When price was at $140 on April 30th he predicts it to fall to $120, and if it goes below $120 he predicts it to fall even more, seeing 'loss staunching and periodic capitulation'.

The next day the prices started collapsing and bottomed at $79 already 3 days later on May 3th. Today, 3.5 months later, that price of $140 was not touched again.
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August 20, 2013, 06:31:27 AM
#26
Quote from: rpietila link=topic=85687.msg1797718#msg1797718
I will enter buy side at $50-$100, sell 10% (total) to strength between $200-$500.

I am hoping a stabilization for a few weeks/months at $100-$150.

Recently updated my 3-month forecast and the weighted avg target price was EUR 533. Despite all, it is a sickly strong buy.

This was a bad call by rpietila also made on that famous day of April 10th 2013 when price peaked out at $266. He advises to buy and forecasts the price to average around €533 the next 3 months.

Price started tumbling that day to a low of $50 only 6 days later, taking the average price of $184 of that day, this buy signal led to huge losses.

The average price the next 3 months turned out to be around $100 or €75 instead of €533.
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August 20, 2013, 06:19:03 AM
#25
Here is my calls 100% trend accuracy:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2530362
Called the 0.0055 Bottom on LTC/BTC-https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157440.msg1667644#msg1667644
 Called the buy signal on 3.17.2013 at 48.15 -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154119.msg1633552#msg1633552
 Called the correction from 49 to 33 -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149817.msg1591419#msg1591419
 Called the rally from 5.2 on 5.31.2012 -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96878.msg1067596#msg1067596


Thanks for informing. Would you be willing to follow the format to quote the call here, 1 call per post, and say why it was a good call, mentioning what the price did afterwards? That way I can easily add you to the list without spending too much time.  
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August 20, 2013, 06:08:38 AM
#24
BTFD

This was a bad call by cypherdoc. His letters above stand for 'Buy The Fucking Dip'. His corresponding paying newsletter made the case to buy on the correction that famous day of April 10th 2013 when the price peaked out at $266 and collapsed instantly. He advised his clients to buy that dip. Taking the average price of that day $184 as a buy in point led to huge losses as the price ended that day at $165 and continued to go down bottoming at $50 only 6 days later. Today, 4 months later, the price never touched that $184 again and stands currently at $103 (bitstamp). To my knowledge he has remained bullish, advising to buy, on the whole way down up until today.  
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August 20, 2013, 05:59:59 AM
#23
I have.  And its not pleasant.  In fact, they are extremely vicious.  Without appropriate risk management, they have the ability to wipe you out.

Imagine the Spring ramp repeating itself while you're holding short.  The mentality has settled in with virtually all the Bears that Bitcoin is done and is going to zero.  They are taking their victory laps and cheering their profits.  This type of mentality is just as bad as the speculative bubble, only in reverse.  

I have most unpleasant news for you.  The Squeeze of the Century is coming.  It may not be tomorrow, next month, or even next year, buts its coming and you will be crushed.  

I know the feeling.  You shorts are probably sleeping less well now while you're making profits than you did before.  Thats because deep down you know the protocol has not failed, you know that 99% of the people want Bitcoin but just don't know it yet, you know the developers are still out there and working on improvements, and you know that big money is waiting on the sidelines for the perfect time to buy and buy hard.

Typically the ramps come in the middle of the night.  You wake up and the price has doubled trapping you deeply in the losing trade.  You wait and wait for the price to come back down but it never does as the price moves upwards incessantly to force you to cover.  The pendulum has swung too far to the wrong side.

Just wait.  Its coming...

Great call from cypherdoc, price averaged $2.6 that day april the 18th 2011. He warned the others that it would go up. Exactly 1 month later on November 18th 2011 it found it's bottom at $2 and went up strongly from there for 2 years in a row ending in the spike of $266 on april 10th 2013. To my knowledge he remained bullish and advised to buy the whole way up.
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August 20, 2013, 05:50:12 AM
#22
People, congrats to all who are still holding... im letting my last block go today.  I think this is SO unhealthy for btc.  When this thing roles over its gonna drop dramatically.  It will burn so many newbies.  They will not want to come back.  

A gradual rise, with sensible ups and downs would build the base of users much better.  But THIS?!?!  This is just BS, bad news for adoption.  This will ultimately set us back.  

Any one who thinks its like a singularity or something are just caught up in the euphoria.  Nothing hits adoption like this.  Maybe i'll be proven wrong, but i doubt it.  These new buys understand very little about btc other than its going up fast and they can make quick money.  When it starts to drop they will understand no more about btc as a currency, only that it is dropping and looks like a bubble bursting.

Thoughts?  Did i do right selling out today?  Or will i get run over as this sucker goes straight to $1k.

--
Doob

Great call, doobadoo sold out at $236, and warned the others, price went up the day after to $266 and collapsed instantly to $105 only to close at $165, 6 days later it bottomed at $50.
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August 18, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
#21
But its SOOO much more fun to make the call, have everybody ignore you and then laugh as you take their coinz!  Grin

Posted when BTC was 87...
Hope all you newbie doomsayers got back in!  Grin  If not, well welcome to bitcoin and thanks for your coins.  Trading here requires a steady hand; its not for the faint of heart.  You can choose low volatility and inflation (USD), or high volatility and deflation (BTC)  Grin



Good call indeed, price continued to go up from $87 to $111 by July 31st. Smiley

Added you to the list.


Actually I don't think anymore this was a good call. You don't make a call. From what I see, now that the price is back up to $87, you are laughing with people that sold their coins on the recent correction that bottomed at $65. You make no statement about future price expectations and whether to buy or sell. So I removed this plus.

If you disagree, I value your feedback.
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August 18, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
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August 18, 2013, 11:58:10 AM
#19
Here is my calls 100% trend accuracy:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2530362
Called the 0.0055 Bottom on LTC/BTC-https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1667644
 Called the buy signal on 3.17.2013 at 48.15 -https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1633552
 Called the correction from 49 to 33 -https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1591419
 Called the rally from 5.2 on 5.31.2012 -https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1067596

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August 18, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
#18
I hope you succeed in the future to also get the big picture right (that the bull market was over and a bear market would start) and that you choose the right course of action so that you help yourself and others to reduce losses instead of increasing them.
You do realize that for someone to profit in trading, someone else has to lose, right?

Yes. Why you ask?
It sounded like you were saying it was a holy mission to correctly predict the market, and everybody would profit from this.

EDIT: maybe, to the extent that trading could be useful (in providing information to the economy), correctly predicting price based on value fundamentals is the best thing that a trader can do.
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August 18, 2013, 11:40:30 AM
#17
I hope you succeed in the future to also get the big picture right (that the bull market was over and a bear market would start) and that you choose the right course of action so that you help yourself and others to reduce losses instead of increasing them.
You do realize that for someone to profit in trading, someone else has to lose, right?

Yes. Why you ask?
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August 18, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
#16
I hope you succeed in the future to also get the big picture right (that the bull market was over and a bear market would start) and that you choose the right course of action so that you help yourself and others to reduce losses instead of increasing them.
You do realize that for someone to profit in trading, someone else has to lose, right?
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August 18, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
#15
However, I checked your post history and found this call also made by you on April 10th:

Quote from: thezerg link=topic=85687.msg1797296#msg1797296

People, please keep in mind that a pullback is what the some investors are waiting for... to let exuberance pop.  The fundamental value and promise that underlies Bitcoin remains strong.  So hang onto your coins!

This was a bad call. Indeed price had swung widely that day from the all time high of $266 to $105, closing the day at $165. I'm guessing your call was around $130 when you gave the advice to hang onto your coins. However price dropped every day after that to a low of $50 by April 16th.  

Guess you didn't see that one coming   Smiley

No, all I didn't see was the magnitude.  If you look at the post just before that one, I called a DDOS drop BEFORE the crash and recommend that people put in bids.  It may be a little unclear out of context (if you weren't trading at that point), but that post means to put bids in significantly BELOW the market price.  If you had sold around when I posted (to prepare for a DDOS buyback) the price would have been $230+ ($230 had some stability -- 260 was a hard-to-hit peak).  I bought back too early (due to the incredible lag you just had to guess what the price was going to be 15 minutes later when your trade actually made it through the queue) at $150 giving a profit of only $80 per coin.  When you want to lock in a profit, you err on the high side... and actually, my buys were staggered to catch the "DDOS" so I didn't do that well on every coin...

And as you can see by the post I was replying to, the price was already below $106 (probably FAR below given the velocity at that time).  I was essentially suggesting that people think really hard before selling below $90-100 -- and as you can tell by the words "fundamental value and promise" this was meant to be long term advice.  Judging by the oscillations in the next 6 months that has not been bad advice.

You can't quote a locked forum so here's the relevant profile page:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thezerg-55749

Thanks for making your case.

I agree that you called the DDOS attack and I will take your word for it that it was around $230.
 
However, what did you do with it? Did you advise to sell around $230? No, you did not. Here is what you said:


Quote from: thezerg on: April 10
looks like the DDOS is here, flash crash to come soon... hope you put in your bids!  Last chance for coins below 250...


So you advised to buy more on a possible correction, as you expected price to continue to go higher than $250 after the DDOS drop.

If one followed you and bought successfully more coins at say $150 that day he did not make any profit. In fact he just lost on the coins he already owned, and now increased his position. After that the price did not go back up to $250 but ended the day around $165. And continued to drop every day after that to a low of $50 a week later. So following your advise given, would have only increased the total loss.

That was a very bad call. Predicting an event about to happen correctly (DDOS) has no value if you got the big picture wrong (price will continue to go up after that, while it actually continued to go down) and the chosen course of action (buy more) makes you lose even more money.  


About your second call during the drop to hold.

On the first day of the crash, April 10th, according to bitcoincharts data, mtgox price did not go below $105. So it is impossible that the price was below that when you advised to hold. Please explain, preferable with supportive data! Until then I have to dismiss your comment about that and will continue to use the price of $130 to use as the price when you placed your advise to hold. Note that weighted price of that day was $180, so I'm being generous already I think.  

Advising to hold at $130 that day was the right call as the day ended at $165. However next day it dropped to $124 and continued to close lower every day after.

Today, 4 months later, there have only been a few weeks where holding at $130 was the right decision, all the others showed a loss. I don't look at the future here, only at the past to evaluate calls.

I think it is fair to say that overall it was a bad call to hold at $130 on March 10th.


Summarized, you predicting the DDOS drop and a sharp correction correctly was an accomplishment but advising to buy more if it would happen, and during the correction you advising to hold, were both bad calls. I will keep this as one bad call since it was the same time period, even same day.

I hope you succeed in the future to also get the big picture right (that the bull market was over and a bear market would start) and that you choose the right course of action so that you help yourself and others to reduce losses instead of increasing them.

I will evaluate your other calls from 2012 in a next post.
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August 18, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
#14
People already shouldn't be listening to speculation calls here as financial advice so technically they choose to do what they want and it's their risk. Seems pretty healthy to me. The weak hands let go for stronger hands to hold.

Indeed, people choose by their own risk who's opinion to value and who's opinion to ignore. I hope this thread helps them to make a better informed decision.
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