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Zackgeno96
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
September 10, 2015, 09:04:15 PM
#112
Quote from: actmyname on September 09, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: alani123 on July 08, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: sherbyspark on July 08, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Slark on July 08, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong
darkangel11
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
September 10, 2015, 05:13:30 PM
#111
This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.
u9y42
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
September 09, 2015, 05:20:35 PM
#110
Quote from: actmyname on September 09, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

I think that has been mentioned about a million times already, in this thread alone. Tongue

At any rate, even if the general idea is right, comparing the rating of a computer chess program with a human player directly doesn't tend to work very well, due to the way ratings are calculated1 - basically, there aren't enough high profile computer versus human matches for that to provide very accurate information by itself (though, again, it's undisputed that computer engines can be much stronger than human players).

1 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine#Comparisons, below the engine's table.
actmyname
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
September 09, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
#109
Quote from: alani123 on July 08, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: sherbyspark on July 08, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Slark on July 08, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
mrbigA
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
August 14, 2015, 06:21:48 AM
#108
Chess and gambling? It makes no sense.
To gamble, chance should be a part of the game. It will make more sense if others can bet on players.
letsplayagame
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
August 13, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
#107
Quote from: bitllionaire on August 13, 2015, 01:30:38 PM
How can I find someone to play this site?

Did you read my post? I am one of the top players in the world and I would not play for bitcoin against a stranger online. My caveat was that if you are just betting a small amount for purely entertainment reasons then I see no problem. Most people are unlikely to cheat if playing for a very small amount as it is essentially just a waste of time.

It does not matter if the site operator is completely honest or has "software to detect bots". There are free chess programs available that any user could run from another machine completely undetected good enough to beat me or anyone else. You will not find one Grandmaster who disagrees with me regarding the strength of current chess engines.

If you want to bet against someone who you know and trust completely, then do so.  I see no purpose of involving a 3rd party gambling site to hold your funds or take a cut. There are many free websites and mobile apps you can use for free to play against someone you know.
bitllionaire
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
August 13, 2015, 01:30:38 PM
#106
How can I find someone to play this site?
letsplayagame
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
August 13, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
#105
Quote from: vendetahome on July 27, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Feel free to join my thread if you want to play for free.

No prizes, just the opportunity for the bitcointalk community to play a top rated player for free!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12096904

Cheating is a major issue in chess so I do not recommend playing for bitcoin online (unless your goal is solely entertainment).  Many tournaments now have strict rules to prevent players from accessing computer aided assistance during games.

I can confirm that every chess player in the world would currently lose in a long match versus a top computer. There is a very small chance for a human to win (and larger chance to draw especially with white) in any given game but ZERO chance any human would win a long match.

This is not an issue open for debate in 2015. This was a legitimate debate in the 1990's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov

CryptyMike
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 27, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
#104
Quote from: Sourgummies on July 27, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: CryptyMike on July 27, 2015, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: vendetahome on July 27, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.

Skeptic for an okay reason I suppose, but no point in ruining his thread. 90% of this chat has been speculating about a bot, well lets wait and find out for real.

Sourgummies
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 27, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
#103
Quote from: CryptyMike on July 27, 2015, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: vendetahome on July 27, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.
CryptyMike
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 27, 2015, 03:16:01 PM
#102
Quote from: vendetahome on July 27, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!
vendetahome
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 27, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
#101
Quote from: Wolframite on July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game
Wolframite
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
#100
Quote from: SyGambler on July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
SyGambler
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
#99
Quote from: Wolframite on July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots
Wolframite
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 25, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
#98
Quote from: rooch99 on July 23, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: pooya87 on July 22, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: pooya87 on July 20, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 08, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.
yes you will find it intresting:)
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it
rooch99
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 23, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
#97
Quote from: pooya87 on July 22, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: pooya87 on July 20, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 08, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.
yes you will find it intresting:)
pooya87
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 22, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
#96
Quote from: rooch99 on July 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: pooya87 on July 20, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 08, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.
jaberwock
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 21, 2015, 04:07:04 PM
#95
Quote from: rooch99 on July 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: pooya87 on July 20, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 08, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


For the humans may be if the game difficult is adjusted, but it is much harder to make a decent computer intelligence to play.

And I see people using bots to play against players and win, if the site becomes successful
plost24
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 21, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
#94
i don't know how to play i will train for free and then be prepared to lose  Grin Grin Grin Grin
rooch99
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Re: try your chess skills for bitcoin
July 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
#93
Quote from: pooya87 on July 20, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: rooch99 on July 08, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,
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