Turkey shoots down russian military plane on Syria border - page 3.

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 08, 2015, 08:55:50 AM

Meanwhile, flight recorder has been found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jwiMuq05A

Something tells me that Erdogan is going to be humiliated once again.

The Russians also have the "Black Box" of the Polish Presidential Aircraft that crashed in Russia. So far the Poles have received a "transcript" of what was said on the aircraft before it crashed. Aren't the Russians gems?

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 08, 2015, 08:55:50 AM

Meanwhile, flight recorder has been found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jwiMuq05A

Something tells me that Erdogan is going to be humiliated once again.

I don't know how much information will be available in the flight data recorder, as the attack was very sudden and unprovoked. Well, if the GPS data of the flight path is available, then it will refute Turkish claims that the Su-24 strayed on to the Turkish territory.

BTW... the postmortem report confirms that Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov died of gunshots. More than 8 gunshot wounds were found on his body:

http://most.tv/news/59392.html

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Quote from: Xubu on December 08, 2015, 11:24:59 AM

Quote from: frank0929 on December 08, 2015, 09:32:07 AM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on December 05, 2015, 06:45:23 AM

Hahahaha. I see this just now. That fits perfect to his broken English.
I remember this "sii yuu" moment. Cheesy

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlr8dAlRKLA

At least the guy makes makes himself clear in English. As it's not his main language.

It's not my first language as well, but that doesn't prevent me from educating myself. And I'm not a president, at least for now.

Common, maybe it's time to stop deceiving yourself? Then you'll see that this guy doesn't deserve his current position. He's just another ignorant and unbelievably greedy scumbag. I'm ready to bet that any member of this community would be better than him.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 08, 2015, 12:06:40 PM

Quote from: galdur on December 08, 2015, 03:49:24 AM

Iraq PM says IS smuggles majority of oil via Turkey

It is not rocket science. Turkey is also the easiest route to smuggle the Iraqi and Syrian oil. The Turkish oil refinery in the city of Batman is the closest to the ISIS-controlled oilfields in Syria and Northern Iraq. They can't smuggle the oil to Jordan, as the terrain is mostly desert and there are no refineries close to the border.

Well yeah, I doubt that very many of those who have opinions on that oil transport, have much of a clue about topography in the area. They may not even be aware of the existence of topography.

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Quote from: galdur on December 08, 2015, 03:49:24 AM

Iraq PM says IS smuggles majority of oil via Turkey

It is not rocket science. Turkey is also the easiest route to smuggle the Iraqi and Syrian oil. The Turkish oil refinery in the city of Batman is the closest to the ISIS-controlled oilfields in Syria and Northern Iraq. They can't smuggle the oil to Jordan, as the terrain is mostly desert and there are no refineries close to the border.

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Quote from: frank0929 on December 08, 2015, 09:32:07 AM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on December 05, 2015, 06:45:23 AM

Hahahaha. I see this just now. That fits perfect to his broken English.
I remember this "sii yuu" moment. Cheesy

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlr8dAlRKLA

At least the guy makes makes himself clear in English. As it's not his main language.

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It's not like NATO is any better.

That's easy to say, come with proof please!

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Quote from: J. J. Phillips on December 05, 2015, 06:45:23 AM

Hahahaha. I see this just now. That fits perfect to his broken English.
I remember this "sii yuu" moment. Cheesy

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlr8dAlRKLA

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Not surprisingly the only sensible strategy in this whole mess is from the Russians and Germans, those who avoided creating the mess to begin with. Now the German Foreign Minister is welcomed in Baghdad and the Iraqis offer the Russians cooperation in the fight.

Enemies once, then friends to the great chagrin of those who always want chaos and war instead of cooperation and trade. I seriously doubt that they can be made enemies again. They´ll eventually come out as the winners, as usual, once the dust settles and this catastrophic mess has been resolved. It´s always important to have the right friends in the right places.

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Meanwhile, flight recorder has been found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jwiMuq05A

Something tells me that Erdogan is going to be humiliated once again.

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Iraq PM says IS smuggles majority of oil via Turkey

Baghdad (AFP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Monday that most oil smuggled by the Islamic State group goes through Turkey, joining a chorus of countries linking it with the jihadists' financing....

https://news.yahoo.com/iraq-pm-says-smuggles-majority-oil-via-turkey-174734468.html

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I´ll tell you who tells them to think what is in no touch with reality. News stories starting with "experts say" "unnamed government sources" et cetera. They didn´t learn to be wary of them while the Iraq was was being scammed on and have continued lapping it up since and are very unlikely to stop now. I guess they want the more to believe the liars the more they are lied to. Not sure which syndrome of dysfunction that falls under.

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Quote from: BigBoy89 on December 06, 2015, 01:45:31 PM

Quote from: HWoodrow on November 24, 2015, 06:10:34 AM

Hope that nothing will happen. It is very hard to prevent what will happen. Target was that every west state must be united in way to fight against the ISIS.

Yes everyone should focus on one common enemy which is Isis who are killing innocent people, it's not between Russia and Turkey it's actually the Cold War between Russia and the west let's hope it doesn't get escalated

Who told you that ISIS is everyone's common enemy? It is simply wrong. For example, the common enemy of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, and Israel is Bashar al Assad, and not the Islamic State. ISIS may be the common enemy of Russia, Iran, and the Hezbollah. But that is it. No one else takes the ISIS seriously enough.

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Quote from: BigBoy89 on December 06, 2015, 01:45:31 PM

Quote from: HWoodrow on November 24, 2015, 06:10:34 AM

Hope that nothing will happen. It is very hard to prevent what will happen. Target was that every west state must be united in way to fight against the ISIS.

Yes everyone should focus on one common enemy which is Isis who are killing innocent people, it's not between Russia and Turkey it's actually the Cold War between Russia and the west let's hope it doesn't get escalated

One would think that NATO should censure Turkey for this provocation. Failure to do so, would indicate either they are following an "agenda" contrary to its expressed purpose at the behest of (who?), or have outlasted their relevance as a viable means of arbitrating between the nations. When alliances break down, maybe its time to forge NEW alliances. For one thing, I personally believe that dealing with Russia by former cold war standards is a mistake that serves only those that profit from strife and conflict. I feel that Russia taking the field against IS is a very positive move and that the United States should stand shoulder to shoulder with them in this fight. We have done so in the past when our political differences couldn't be further apart, but we were brothers in arms against a common threat. I think if Turkey pulls any more stunts like this, and their goose should be cooked, and the rest of NATO should bring the trimmings.

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Quote from: BigBoy89 on December 06, 2015, 01:45:31 PM

Quote from: HWoodrow on November 24, 2015, 06:10:34 AM

Hope that nothing will happen. It is very hard to prevent what will happen. Target was that every west state must be united in way to fight against the ISIS.

Yes everyone should focus on one common enemy which is Isis who are killing innocent people, it's not between Russia and Turkey it's actually the Cold War between Russia and the west let's hope it doesn't get escalated

Right. Idiots and nuts without any clue or plan declared a war on terror fourteen years ago and now several destroyed countries later let´s hope it doesn´t escalate. It seems a little late, not to mention pointless, to hope that those same idiots and nuts are going to somehow fix things now.

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Quote from: HWoodrow on November 24, 2015, 06:10:34 AM

Hope that nothing will happen. It is very hard to prevent what will happen. Target was that every west state must be united in way to fight against the ISIS.

Yes everyone should focus on one common enemy which is Isis who are killing innocent people, it's not between Russia and Turkey it's actually the Cold War between Russia and the west let's hope it doesn't get escalated

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It´s Fabian Socialism. Needless to say it originated with British fruitcakes and deviants and is very popular with their ilk both sides of the Atlantic. Americans wonder what has been turning things to shit there? Right. The fruitcake that is pushed desperately by the ruling elite, media and banks for the presidency in spite of total lack of credibility or trustworthiness? You get one guess. Getting things through gradually, wearing the opposition down over time. Attrition is its middle name. Named after Fabius, who wore down Hannibal back then.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 06, 2015, 01:04:33 PM

Quote from: galdur on December 06, 2015, 12:56:50 PM

The more basket cases in the periphery of Russia that end up on Welfare in the European Union the better for Russia. Ukraine, Turkey, some other likely candidates in the near future. It´ll play itself. Those who are cocky now will be begging with hat in hand later.

The EU will disintegrate the same way as the USSR disintegrated. It was not the low crude oil prices which caused the demise of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, it was the exploding population of the non-productive republics, such as Tadzhikistan, Uzbekistan and Azerbaidzhan, which strained the resources and caused the breakup. The same will happen with the EU as well.

They´re emulating the Soviet Union. A newer, improved, kinder version of course or so they think. It´s basically the same model. Rubber-stamp parliament, politburo, komissars, "independent" republics etc. The model has been scammed on Europe gradually over time, since nobody in their right mind would be interested in such a deadbeat system if it were presented originally for open debate and democratic processes. Now that most people are starting to realize what has been creeping up on them they want it turned back. It´s one huge failed experiment.

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Quote from: galdur on December 06, 2015, 12:56:50 PM

The more basket cases in the periphery of Russia that end up on Welfare in the European Union the better for Russia. Ukraine, Turkey, some other likely candidates in the near future. It´ll play itself. Those who are cocky now will be begging with hat in hand later.

The EU will disintegrate the same way as the USSR disintegrated. It was not the low crude oil prices which caused the demise of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, it was the exploding population of the non-productive republics, such as Tadzhikistan, Uzbekistan and Azerbaidzhan, which strained the resources and caused the breakup. The same will happen with the EU as well.

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The more basket cases in the periphery of Russia that end up on Welfare in the European Union the better for Russia. Ukraine, Turkey, some other likely candidates in the near future. It´ll play itself. Those who are cocky now will be begging with hat in hand later.

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