Topic: Turkey shoots down russian military plane on Syria border - page 9. (Read 9723 times)

All right. It may be that when you talk about America and its supposed urge for world peace you mean more the population than the maniacs in charge. And if so I could probably agree with that. Yet; someone has to vote those people into power, assuming that the elections can be taken seriously.

Have You listen the Turkish report??
They claim 17 seconds "inside Turkish territory", how they could warning for 5 minutes the Russian bomber and how fast they fly?
Flycontrol not registered interception from Turkish Aircrafts.
And US forces are still watching on radar registrations, with NO COMMENT.

Well, I wouldn't tag America to the description you just provided. But I completely respect your opinion and can understand (at most) that the view of the world from your eyes is different from the view from mine. (At least I'd love to see your list, maybe PM me.)

Aside from this specific talk, isn't the hardest thing about country politics is that the stories of the motivation or rationale for one decision or another, or one agreement that leads to another, can go on for decades? Look at Palestine and Israel. If you look at the last 60 days of action you may think "oh this one side is completely out of line!" But if you look at the last 60 years of action you could think "this other side started it all!"

(Israel and Palestine were just an example)

But once decades go by you have a new generation that has inherited a problem that for some reason is so serious it can't be forgotten by the new generation.

Maybe we all need just have a reset. Forget what happened before...let's start tomorrow trying to work with each other rather than against each other. What a different world that could be. Nice talking to you...

Well, I don´t think acting like homicidal maniacs and running roughshod over country after country for freakin decades killing and maiming and displacing millions is indicative of any special peacefulness. Maybe I should post the list from say 1953.

OK... I get it. Anyone who disagree with you is an idiot and a racist. How many times do you scream "racist" in a day? I have noticed that you have done it two times in a single post against two different users. I would admit that it is an intelligent method to run away from the arguments, when you don't have anything to reply.

Hey man, I prefaced my comment by implying you all wouldn't believe it. It is in fact true though, America doesn't want to take a generation to fight ISIS or any terrorists.  

What America does want is to eliminate the act of terrorism. What happened in Paris by ISIS should never happened. What happens in Africa by Boko Hiram should never happen. We are a world of adults, when children have violent temper tantrums (that result in killing innocent people) those children need to be disciplined.

America has 100% tolerance for civil disobedience (read about the Occupy movement, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement). And for those that don't know, civil disobedience is showing your frustration for anything in a civil peaceful way.

America has 0% tolerance for violent disobedience.  

Almost all problems can be solved peacefully (recognizing that some problems just can never be solved.) No problems are solved violently. Violence breeds violence. Terrorism breeds terrorism. And on it goes until we kill each other or learn to live with our differences.

Doesn´t want perpetual war? Fourteen years they declared a war against terrorism that they said would last decades even a century and couldn´t hide their glee over those rosy prospects for the war industry. And a few weeks ago Obama´s ISIS "czar" stated that defeating ISIS could take a generation. Peace is the absolutely last thing that these warmongers are interested in.

I don't think America is vouching for Turkey's claims, but they're acknowledging that Turkey is upset and enlisting NATO to get involved and keep the peace.

As much as everyone here who lives outside the US thinks, the US really doesn't want perpetual war...the US really does want peace.

Sad to see racist idiots lives in year 2015. Wake up the fuck up you little prick, they are fucking washing your brain with all the race, religion bullshit.


You have no idea what a war is. A war has too many aspects, not just the military force. Economics, world politics are strongly involved. Anyway, I'm not gonna take my time to explain how the politics work to idiot racists like you. Someday there will be no nations, no races. You guys are just outdated idiots.


Russia has been arming PKK since the early 80s. Please go to the toilet now and flush out the thing located in your head that looks like a brain.

I´m saying that the Americans know that the Turkish story is bullshit in fact so much bullshit that even they´re unable to back it up but since it´s supposed to be an ally they state for appearances sake that it lasted a few seconds.

Do you really think that the Russians are scared of the Turkish mongrels? The Russians have wiped the floor with the Chinese during the border war of 1969. The Turks will be evaporated in a matter of few days.


Wishful thinking. Russia is going to arm the PKK to the tooth and nail. Not a single foreigner is going to visit Turkey in 2016, let alone the Russians.

You can call who you think are "idiots" out directly...quoting my post and then saying "some idiots" is so passive aggressive. Don't be shy, man, I can take your direct comments! Just friendly debate, no?

So are you saying that because the American's are forced to admit that this only lasted a short time that it must not have happened? What's your logic in that take?

I agree with you on the relevance of how far it crossed the "invasion" line. My point was that Saddam's pov was completely one sided,  so I offered the same level of one sided pov to counter.  The reality is certainly somewhere in the middle. I've looked at the radar reports and it's not like Russia flew through the country, they flew over a very narrow pan handle, could have been an easy mistake or an easy "corner to cut" either way.

The bottom line here is that if Turkey is pissed over a legit infraction by Russia, Russia needs to acknowledge it. By not acknowledging it Turkey opens itself open to further ignorance from Russia. Do they deserve that? No. Don't get me wrong, it's not like Turkey hasn't done stupid shit - every country has (except maybe the Swiss and Canada)! But all big powers of the world need to be stood up to when they violate the smaller countries right to have a territory...that goes for Russia, it goes for America, it goes for Saudi Arabia.

Since the Americans are forced to admit that this incursion only lasted a few seconds it most likely didn´t take place at all to begin with and certainly doesn´t count as any invasion or lasting five or ten minutes as some idiots here are claiming.

That's not good. This is very bad for already disturbed situation of the world. The peace is very necessary between the countries to fight against terrerism. Enemy must be happy because this incident now draw a clear line between two states. Russia is against and strongly condemned this incident while turkey its interference in its sovereignty. May God protect us all.

That's one perspective. The other perspective is that the invasion of Russian jets into Turkey's territory is an act of war by terrorist supporter turkey (Russia's role in Crimea and in jetliner bombings is equal to terrorism).

The bigger problem is that this kind of posturing and follow through lead to wars.  And moments after the world was coming together over Paris and IS, we are now potentially divided again. Fuck all! Fuck all of us!

wow too much bullshit on this topic.
1-i hate erdogan but today he is right maybe the first time
2- nato will support of couse Turkey. Do you know what is ally meaning? Thats why Obama and nato will talk on the side for Turkey
3- 2 russian aircraft pass inside turkish border and in 5 minutes 10 times warned by turkish army.but they didnt reply. Maybe they dont know english lol. Also turkey gave the radar pictures to media but nothing comes from russian side.
4- after that turkish air forces attack but they just drop one russian warplane.
5- not even Russia will attack Turkey. Its not happening like that. Do you know how much does it cost to Russia if they try that? As economical they cant pay that.
6- of course Putin will talk with treats but nothing will be happen
7- in a week everything will turn back normal.
8- summer 2016 antalya will be fullof russians again
Cheers

I wonder how people think 15-20,000 ISIS terrorists arrived in Syria from Europe.  Yeah I know; it´s a real headscratcher. 

Correct. Even if there was a war between Turkey and Russia, guess who'd be having turkey for dinner long before Christmas. Turkey can not stand against Russia at all. If the others join in, they risk China and others from Asia joining in (which would be very bad for everyone, everywhere). Let's see how this one plays out.

I think the problem is that Turkey is in this for Turkey, America is in it for America. The Peshmerga are fighting for Kurdistan, the Russians and SAA are fighting for the Syrian state, DAESH is fighting for the Caliphate, Nusra is fighting for Al-Queada, the U.S. and moderate rebels are fighting for a new Syrian state. The Gulf states, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and others are fighting a proxy war between Shia and Suni factions. It's a mess.

If they don´t like seeing foreign warplanes in their airspace maybe they should stop tootsie-footing with terrorists running around this way and that over their borders. I mean; all this hypocritic shitpile from Washington to Ankara via headchopping medieval fruitcakes in Saudi Arabia is supposed to be fighting terrorism right?