Topic: Turkey shoots down russian military plane on Syria border - page 8. (Read 9716 times)

That´s an understatement...

German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called Turkish actions unpredictable.

“This incident shows for the first time that we are to dealing with an actor who is unpredictable according to statements from various parts of the region – that is not Russia, that is Turkey,” Gabriel said, as cited by DPA news agency. He added that Turkey was playing “a complicated role” in the Syrian conflict.

https://www.rt.com/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/25/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-impact-idUSKBN0TE04M20151125

So, Erdogan lied just as usual.

One of the Pilots of Downed Su-24 Saved by Syrian Army - Envoy


Sputnik International  7:56 am

One of the two pilots from the Russian Su-24 which was downed by two Turkish F-16s Tuesday morning has been rescued by the Syrian Army, according to Russia's envoy to France, as cited by Reuters.

Not when that plane is exiting Turkish airspace and flying non-aggressively. They knew there was no threat, and it's coming out now that the plane was likely fired upon after leaving Turkish airspace. This is coming from US intel after reviewing the heat signature of the missile launch, the plane was fired upon after having already left Turkish airspace... Also, Turkey is claiming the plane was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. That equates to an air speed of 243 mph. Given the path claimed by the Turkish government, the plane would have been in Turkish airspace for roughly 5 seconds.


You're joking right? Just because they "claim" not to know doesn't mean they don't actually know. Of course they do! The on-board radar systems identify planes, SAM sites, and other radar signals based on its waveform and emission characteristics... Both the tracking and spotting radar systems of an attacking plane will identify and compare the radar emissions from the target plane against a database of known waveforms, and it even displays the designation of the aircraft on the radar screen...

This was believed to be an infrared tracking missile, they call them "mad dogs" when fired without a radar lock, and will target any target within range having the highest heat signature. They fire these to avoid warning the target with a "missile lock". The pilots don't get all the warning lights and buzzers going off about that incoming missile when fired this way...

You believe they didn't know who they were firing on? Please... They knew exactly whose flag they were flying under, where they launched from, where they flew their mission, and what type of aircraft it was. You think they don't track these planes as they fly in the sky? Give me a break...

Erdogan is well known for his exact opposite discourse. He do the same thing all the time. He's the worst hypocrite I've ever seen.

Erdogan himself after Syria shot down a Turkish warplane violating Syrian airspace in 2012

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack,"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872

What short and/or selective memories people have....

It's not about Russia, Turkey have right to shoot any flying machine inside their borders. If it was another countries plane they still shoot it anyway. They didn't even know it was a Russian plane when they shot it.

Whether the Russian fighter violated Turkish airspace remains to be seen. But Turkey has not been seriously interested in taking on the ISIS. Instead, it has been the conduit through which ISIS's oil is sold into the world market.

The Russian bombing campaign is propping up Assad government while seriously disrupting ISIS oil trade. It is in Turkey's interest to discourage the Russians. Turkey's overriding concern is the rise of the Kurds. Its recent air raids against ISIS are overwhelmingly aimed at the Kurds.

I wonder how people, that hardly know where the Middle East is on the globe, figure 15-20,000 ISIS terrorists got from Europe to the sands of Iraq and Syria. Hint: no, there are no flights from Frankfurt, Paris and London to ISISland there in the desert. 

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/669204928984915968/photo/1

And still no real evidence, only empty claims.

I have so much fun when I read this thread, especially for the comments from people who doesn't even know where Middle East is. Thanks for the laugh guys.

Well, since Turkey Day is just around the corner and Turkey just laid an egg it´s probably worth mentioning that a turkey is about as dumb as a bird can be. Terms such as turkey shoot and turkey trap exist for a very good reason.

You basically call a group of people animals because of their "race", "nationality". You are brainwashed as rest of the world and you have no idea what is really going on in Middle East. We are at the edge of finding new life forms in space and you still argue about races, religions. So intelligent!

Oh, Location: Thule
Do you even know what that means?

http://lifenews.ru/news/171620

Fly radar

red - su-24
green - F16

ISIS is supported by the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Kuwait. They're extremely butt hurt that the Russians are destroying their terrorists that they're using to try to achieve their political goals.

Yeah, right... Violation of sirian border and attack against your own (former) partner is a wise way of thinking, indeed. Especially when he has over $100 billion of investments in the joint projects of your country, and able to withdraw these funds.

NATO is just a mutual defence agreement. It obliges other members to provide military support in case if you're a victim of aggression. Nobody is obliged to do anything if you've committed an unprovoked act of aggression against the 3rd party. Nobody will come to save Erdogan's ass, he's alone this time.

Could you give any evidence for this bullshit, please? Even NATO Secretary General stated that Turkish side didn't provide anything.

That's not neccessary, they will simply take their money back and freeze all participation in the joint projects, including the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant. Then, after putting food embargo and buying some popcorn, they will sit down and enjoy watching your economic collapse. Congratulations are going to Erdogan & his ISIS friends.

In fact, "something" already happens right now, while we're talking on this forum. Turkish budget have had more than $7 billion per year from russian tourists. Government is going to ban flights to Turkey, two major tour operators already have stopped selling the tickets. And this is just a beginning.

Same for you, please keep dreaming and continue watching TV. Your dear ISIS president Erdogan will provide you with sufficient amount of reliable news.

8:25 p.m.

Turkey says that two planes violated Turkish airspace before it shot down one of them, which crashed in Syrian territory.

In a letter to the U.N. Security Council and Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, it said the jet it shot down disregarded 10 warnings to change course.

The letter from Turkey's U.N. Ambassador Halit Cevik said "two SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown," approached Turkish airspace in the Yayladagi-Hatay region.

The letter, obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press, said both planes, at an altitude of 19,000 feet, disregarded warnings and violated Turkish airspace "to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds" just after 9:24 a.m.

"Following the violation, plane one left Turkish national airspace," the letter said. "Plane two was fired at while in Turkish national airspace by Turkish F-16s performing air combat patrolling in that area in accordance with the rules of engagement."

It said the second plane crashed on the Syrian side of the border.

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This is called "no interception operations", no operations for visual contact.
And radar control show, that turkish aircraft shot Russian aircraft over Syrian territory.

What the fucking idea is "warning" Russian bombers on 50 km of distance?
There is a direct telephone line with Moscow build for such problems, why they give no calls, and how there was people with zoom cameras and internet connection?

The Turkey people are uncivilized. Watch the movie "Midnight Express (1978)".

First warn was 30miles away from border. 2 russian aircraft was coming tru the border. So they wait 5 minutes before attack.they attack after russian aircrafts enters the border, btw on turkish media also radio calls published. Also usa confirm the radio calls even usa radars listen that radio talk during that happening.No reply comes from russian aircrafts. On the border turkish jets all the time patrolling btw thats why they went there so quick.anyway diyarbakir airbase is so close to border. And that airbase full with aircrafts cause of syria.
Just for info im not supporting any act but turkey warns russia more than couple times about violations even last week russian embassy informed about these situation but they dont care. So instead of 2 they just attack on 1 aircraft as a warning.